AMEN brother! :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:
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I think he is worth a 2nd rounder to mid 3rd rounder. The way I see it, rookies that are considered "guaranteed" stud interior lineman are usually taken in the late 1st and early 2nd rounds. Duke Robinson is considered a mid 1st round prospect. Alex Mack is a late 1st rounder, Mack Unger is an early 2nd rounder.
If you get Waters, you are pretty much guaranteeing a pro bowl caliber player. Which is probably more than you can say about those guys I listed above. Yes he is older and has maybe 3 more quality years left, unless he gets injured. So for that reason he is not quite as valuable as those guys because his long term potential isnt there. But to a team that is "close" to contending, he may be worth as low as a late 2nd rounder.
That is how I think, but I am not a football GM, so who knows how they value these things.
I hope he stays though so we can draft some people and he can teach them how to be pro-bowlers.
If they are going to trade, get a pick. I heard that OT from Baylor was good lookin the combine.
We already have too many holes to fill on the O-line. Trading Waters just adds another one. This wouldnt make sense.
Exactly! too many hole in our offense and defense is just NOT what we need right now! that's why we traded for cassel and vrabel.
I agree losing waters would hurt us even more. restructure his contract for 3 more years and pay him.
I would rather keep him. But if he is going to be dealt, it had better be for at least a 2nd rd pick so we can replace him with the pick. A 3rd and something is not enough IMO.
I do not think Waters is the type of guy to come out and talk down about anyone around the franchise he is a big part of the community and for haley and pioli to treat their best offensive lineman like that is almost unbelievable. I hope it is not true and he stays on the team no third round pick could replace him right now.
It pains me to say this but Chiefs aren't going to be a contender next year or in 2010 so if the Bills are willing to trade us a 2nd or some variance of multiple picks I say take it there are moves still to be made in Free Agency that can sure up the line and we can adress line throughout the draft as well.
In-house options exist for the O-line. I think we need at least two starting OL between FA and the draft. I could see a combination of Albert, Niswanger, Herb Taylor, and McIntosh on a starting OL. I'm not sure there are any other players on this team that I could see as a starting OL. In time, perhaps Richardson could become a starting RT, but that's another season or two off, IMO. If they had planned to replace McIntosh at RT, I think they would've released him by now.
If I'm building the line without Waters or any FA's, the line could look like this:
LT-Eugene Monroe/Jason Smith
LG-Branden Albert
C-Antoine Caldwell (3rd Rd)
RG-Rudy Niswanger
RT-Herb Taylor
Of course, I'd have to see which combination is the best for the team and which combination we could get the best result from as a whole, but I'd be ok with a combination of those players for a season or more. I think we need AT LEAST two outside players for the line this season if we lose Waters.