I agree...im not 100% sold on Cassel yet. If Pioli was so good at finding gem qb's of the future in the draft, why not draft an Olineman (wouldnt hurt) with no.3 overall, give Thigpen one years worth to prove he can play, and if he isnt what Pioli is looking for, he can give the qb he drafts in this year's class (assuming he takes a qb in the 6th or 7th round this year) a chance at the starting gig the following year...its not like we are going to compete for the superbowl this year or anything...
and i agree about having more pressing needs than QB...that 2nd rounder (34 overall) could have landed us a mighty fine linebacker....which is exactly what NE will do with it...
How about some patience? What I'm not totally enamored with these days is this now-now-now mentality that so many folks have. As was said earlier in this thread, I want to watch the *entirety* of free agency, and the draft, and see what other (if any) trades we make, and then kind of evaluate the team on my own.
Still, I could look at our team, think it sucks, and then watch them go 13-3. I just think it's prudent to sit back and let the guys paid to put the team together go and do that. Not every deal or free agent acquisition has to be some blockbuster, big name deal.
Clark hunt even said that the Chiefs wouldn't be rushing out and blowing a bunch of big money on big name free agents.
I hope we do not go big in FA ever! It is my hope that these guys(Pioli,Haley) build from within. Sure, you need to fill a hole here and there, just look at the Faders last year..every free agent they acquired is gone and this year it looks like the Donks are splashing big(or drowning) in FA
I think Pioli and Haley see that there isn't too much needed to change. Yes the D needs to be better but we were in a lot of games last year. I see them drafting a stud with the No. 3 pick and wait for next years crop to really see what we have as a team before making a FA splash. Even the Patriots spent a little to get Welker, Stallworth and Moss. Honestly I would have like to see Canty come to KC but in due time we will find out what their plans are.
Well said, and I have done my share of griping and complaining about our beloved chiefs, former coaches and former GM. However, this is why I began authoring the "Dark Cloud" and "Silver Lining" threads after each game last year to try and keep the optimists from the pessimists, in an attempt to keep this place from imploding.
Originally Posted by Canada
I like the signings so far. Not as many as I'd have hoped to see this early but some good ones nonetheless. Special Teams is a key factor of the game, and the Chiefs stunk at it last year ranking 31st overall amongst the NFL. What this means that the Cheifs, on avg, had worse starting field position and gave up good starting field position to every opponent. The signings of Mays and Travis Daniels aren't going to make any headlines, but shoring up a glaring area of weakness can make a tremendous per-dollar impact on the bottom line.
I think people get to caught up thinking of Free Agency as just being a cattle call. They see big names on the Free Agency market and totally disregard the fact that the player still has a right to choose who he goes to. When we see guys like Canty and Olshansky, Bosley and Scott, etc get taken by other teams we have to look at both sides of the argument.
Yea we didn't get them but that doesn't mean we weren't in the running to sign them before they signed with another team. We may have offered them more then what other teams were asking but I doubt it was anywhere near outrageous or enough to make them seriously consider choosing KC over a NY Giants. AS much as we the fans love the Chiefs it doesnt apply to players. They are in a win now league and they took the most money and went to the team that could gaurentee them the best shot of winning a title this year (or in some cases loyalty to a coach).
There are still a lot of guy avalible on the FA market, there is the draft coming up, and then undrafted rookies/FA signings after that. Free Agency is a long process and while me might not get the marquee names that everyone covets we will get guys that can work with our new system. Next month, the Chiefs will get an infusion of talent from the draft. Plus, remaining free agents will have to start lowering their expectations and Pioli should be able to find some cost-efficient solutions for other roster spots. While other teams might be throwing big contracts at the likes of Albert Haynesworth and even elders like Orlando Pace, the Chiefs are staying conservative. For a rebuilding team, the strategy is sound.
I know some people aren't high on Cassel and were high on Thigpen and thats understandable. But on the flipside some weren't high on Thigpen and were high on Cassel so its a case of two varying view points. At the end of the day we have both, we got at least 1 (I think 2) immediate starters, leaders, and proven winners with one draft pick. A good deal IMO. I think the notion that Pioli and Co. just finding these rough diamond late round draft gem QB's is a myth. They were fundamentally sound QBs that didn't recieve much playing time in College but showed enough when they did to warrant consideration to be tutored as a back up in the NFL (Brady behind Bledsoe, Cassel behind Brady) and thats what I believe shaped them for success. I don't think drafting a Rhett Bomar and having him back up and tutored by a Tyler Thigpen and Brodie Croyle breeds the type of success you see in New England with late round QBs even if people think he was a gem.
Anyways, patience is a virtue. We've got 173 more days to go till the start of the season so there a lot of time between now and then to get things done.
Well from what I have heard Pioli takes after the Big Tuna (Bill Parcels) his daddy-in-law and does not go after the big name free agent in fact the big tuna is so much against it I think that is why he is no longer in big D, Jethro brought in TO against Bills wishes and I think that was the beginning of the end. All we can really do now is wait and see what the product on the field is this year.
Originally Posted by NWA Chief
Just because the front office has not done everything or something we think they need to do is no reason to start doubting them yet. Heck us Chiefs fans in here disagree on what to do. As an example some wanted to bring TO in and some didn't, it is the same thing with no matter who it is almost.
I like how he is going about the team. There are more ways then one to build a team. Free agency is just one way.
Originally Posted by prough91
Pioli defends Chiefs' strategy to add personnel - Kansas City Star
Here you guys go if your not drinking Kool-Aid yet either.
I am far from ready to complain. But I can say that I am not impressed.
That's not always a bad thing, when it comes to off-season.
But we are taking a big gamble on Cassel. A very high second round pick is nothing to sneeze at. Especially considering how many holes are on this team.
Having said that, it is still early in the off-season and alot can happen from here to the start of the season.
And it what happens during the season that makes a real difference.
So, even if the off-season appears to go poorly, I can't be too upset, until I see what happens on the field.
The speculation is always fun... and he offseason stirs up plenty of it. But if you watch the tape on cassel you can see that this guy really can make all the throws. The only reason I am not 100% is our lack of O line and WRs. But as far as the 2nd round pick is concerned I think we got a good deal. A young QB that has proved he can win (I think 11-5 is proof enough in this league) is worth a 2nd... especially if you think about that it could mean in the future. I mean what was our second pick two seasons ago... turk mcbride? (if I got that wrong flame away)
Draft picks are always a risk no matter where they are. I think that we got a leader that can bring good things to this team.
And all I have to say about the pioli and haley deal is.......well....... it could still be peterson and edwards.
But the proof is in the pudding... come on september.