Thigpen played under the same offense as Croyle and he made it through the season. and he ran the ball half of the time.
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Thigpen's stats were not too far off of Cassels last year if I remember . I hope we keep him around. I know that were are gonna play matt otherwise why spend the money to bring him here.
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Tyler Thigpen | #4 | QB
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Height: 6-1 Weight: 224 Age: 25
Born: 4/14/1984 Winnsboro , SC
College: Coastal Carolina
Experience: 3rd season
High School: Fairfield Central HS [Winnsboro, SC]
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TDS 18
INT 12
YDS 2,608
RTG 76.0
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Matt Cassel | #7 | QB
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Height: 6-4 Weight: 230 Age: 26
Born: 5/17/1982 Northridge , CA
College: USC
Experience: 5th season
High School: Chatsworth HS [CA]
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TDS 21
INT 11
YDS 3,693
RTG 89.4
I wasn't saying everyone, just the mob in general. I started with "most everyone" in an attempt to avoid anyone feeling like it was directed at them.
But, if that's your idea of an NFL O-line, then I wouldn't expect to see much offense in the future.
But it was more than just a horrible O-line. It was Herm Edwards' inability to even notice, until he was out of QBs. Even after a career of QB injuries in his offense.
It was having a horrible O-line and running an offense as if you still had Roaf and Shields out there, and expecting a young QB to be able to handle it ta-boot.
You, as well as anyone, know that the entire offense was rearranged to help keep the QB from getting killed, because of how many QBs had been hurt here, including rent Green.
Thigpen had the decisive advatage of getting to play in the QB-friendly gimmick offense, instead of rying to play NFL QB without an NFL O-line.
If you accepted an injury in '07, then how do you have a problem with it in '08?
The line was no better.
The O-line wasn't just bad. It was a Herm Edwards O-line.
Herm has always been a QB killer.
He killed QBs every single year of his career.
The only reason Thigpen survived is because the team was out of QBs, and went to an ultra QB-friendly offense.
Not sure why I am telling you this, as I have seen you point it out to others on several occaisions.
I was never a Croyle guy. Nor do I have any faith in him now.
Just because you don't know how to interpret what I am saying doesn't mean that you need to make it up on your own.
Rather or not one believes that Pioli is a good/great talent evaluator is nil.
Regardless of what either QB is getting paid, you should be looking to put the best player for the team on the field.
If, as most expect, Cassel is put in a position of "his job to lose", then you don't get a a fair sample from the two "competitors".
I think there should be a fair competition between the two. But I don't think there will be.
And that would be a bad idea. Though, even bad ideas work out sometimes.
But, let it be known, that I think Thigpen will wind-up being a poor QB in the long run.
I know exactly how to interpret what you are saying.
You want to bring up the fact that some people wanted Croyle to succeed and now they don't. and that you were right all along!! Nice work.
I'm a Thigpen fan. Thigpen did awesome with the line he had. He's inaccurate? Try throwing a football on a dead run like he had to. Cassell was sacked twice as much as Thigpen. Twice. Cassell had the same o-line as Brady did. Now, tell me the line was a year older. You going to say that NE's line all lost two or three steps in a year? That's feasible.
I was never right about him, because I never ventured any guess. Except that he would get injured. But that was a no-brainer anyway.
But we are calling him washed-up just because he had the same problem as Chad Pennington. Hell, Chad Pennington didn't have a 16 game season until he got out from under Herm, and he's done it twice since.
Pennington had five years of that. Croyle is still salvagable, having only dealt with Herm for two years.
I'm not saying that we need to be starting him. Nor that he should get serious consideration to start.
Just find it amusing how people are so quick to discard him and call him names.
We could trade Croyle to the Broncos, then when he beats us, people will complain.