I've already said it guys, Vick is just an overrated piece of garbage. His passing skills are below average and he can't lead a team for squat. He has no intangibles at all. He can run, but that's about it.
He's just a glorified Tim Tebow. No, Tebow isn't as good of runner, though I think his passing skills are a tiny bit better than Vick's. If I remember correctly, when Vick was with the Falcons and having success, their defense was phenomenal. I wonder if that had something to do with it?
1st of all your "quite sure he didnt win those games alone" quote was pretty bad when ackowledging a QB's winning %. If anybody ever one anything alone, it was Vick. A perfect example of that would be how his team, who went to the NFC Championship 2 seasons before, went 4-12 the year that he left and didnt revive for another whole year after that. I like how you completly dropped the fact that Vick turned the Falcons into a contender single handedly and left them to dirt in an instant.
Originally Posted by Church_Backfield
2nd of all, your pulling out his passing numbers in comparison to pocket passers (everybody else) and trying to prove how bad he was when everybody knows that passing is not what made Vick dangerous. You said "He barely sniffed 3,000 yards." Not bad for a guy who ran for 700 that same year huh? How about the stat that he never threw more picks than TD's. Why didn't you mention that one? Im not talking about a great pure passer, Churchy, Im talking about a great player!
3rd, you think that Vick ranking at #28 and #23 in rushing yards as a QB means that his running was "OK at best." Think about that.... Still thinking? He was a QB who ran for over 1,000 yards in one season! If that makes his running "OK at best" than Im not sure if thier has ever been a QB in league history that was even OK at running. Lets pull out some REAL NUMBERS: From 2003 to 2006, the Falcons led the league in rushing offense every year. In 2006 the falcons actually set a record with an average of 183.7 per game! Almost 200 yards rushing a game! That sounds pretty great to me. What happened the very 1st year that Vick was not with the team? They ranked 26th in the league and lost almost 100 yards per game on the ground from the year before. Thats right, from greatest rushing offense of all time to 26th in the league. Well Vick didnt run for 90 yards a game, so how did they lose 90 yards a game when he left, Churchy? It's simple! Vick was SO Dangerous as a player that the defense was spread thin up the middle or stacking left or stacking right and the Falcons would run right at the weakness. You see, Vick just being on the field makes an entire offense shine. This QB and team did not have to pass, so keep your passing stats off my great player meter Churchy!
All in all. No player has ever created mis-match and scheme problems as much as Vick did. Very few players changed the another teams play calling and scheme as much as Vick did. He wasnt a great QB. Hel!, he's not even top 100 of all time probably, but if he is your QB, you dont need a QB. Or atleast you didnt in his prime.
I'll end my argument with this:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4ssXBzlCdc"]YouTube - Michael Vick Highlights[/ame]
Who is this Churchy you speak of??? :p
A lot of stats there, a lot more reading then I'm used too. :lol:
Okay I was going to lurk in this thread until I saw Vick being compared to Young. The difference isn't in passing skills...it is in MENTAL SKILLS and TOUGHNESS.
Originally Posted by dbolan
Vick has a cannon, and a fairly accurate arm, but he made piss poor decisions in the passing game. Some of that is due to the lack of choices he had in the passing game (Crumpler, a young Jenkins, and garbage)...however Young even when Rice was out did well with the likes of JJ Stokes. Yeah I went there.
Anyhow the point being, Young deserves better than to be attributed as just better than Vick in one area. He beats Vick to pieces in
3) toughness (see some of his long runs, he drops the shoulder)
4) leadership abilities
5) probably more that I'll edit in tomorrow after I've had some sleep.
Vick is a phenomenal athlete who is the best scrambling QB in the history of the NFL, and maybe the most fun to watch. He's also incredibly inaccurate, and probably the only QB to ever have such a low completion % in the west coast offense.
I think Vick will certainly have the skills to play QB in the league again, but not this year. The question is will there be a team out there that is willing to put that much faith in a guy like him.
I'm a dog lover through and through, what he did is sick even if he did grow up in a different culture than I did. But he did his time and paid his debt to society, now it's time to let the guy pay off his debts financially and put food on the table for his family. I'm going to go out on a limb and say he probably doesn't know how to earn a decent living any other way than on the field.
Also, just thinking about PETA makes me want to grill up a big fatty steak and swat some flies. Just wanted to throw that out there.
You mean as opposed to being a white homer?
Originally Posted by Church_Backfield
Let's, please, not bring race into the argument.