As the year goes on and the team needs become more apparent and the college talent begins to sort itself out, we can update this thread to our liking.
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**Official Draft Discussion**
As the year goes on and the team needs become more apparent and the college talent begins to sort itself out, we can update this thread to our liking.
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The Chiefs, Browns, Lions, and Rams look like they're gonna be fighting it out for the top 4 spots. You might even throw the Raiders in there to round out the top 5.
The Chiefs are 0-4 and have been outscored 112-64 by opponents with a combined record of 10-5. Third toughest schedule thus far out of these 5. Chiefs have 3 winnable games left with the Redskins, Raiders, and Browns left to play. Realistically, I think they'll lose two of those three. I just haven't seen enough offense to think they could compete with the Redskins and Browns. They MIGHT be able to repeat their performance against the Raiders and actually WIN this time... the problem is that its IN Oakland. Final record of 1-15.
The Browns are 0-4 have been outscored 118-49 by opponents with a combined record of 13-2. Toughest schedule thus far out of these 5. The Browns have 3 winnable games left with the Chiefs, Raiders, and Lions left to play. I think they'll win 2 of those 3. They don't have enough to beat the Lions. Final record of 2-14.
The Rams are 0-4 and have been outscored 108-24 by opponents with a combined record of 8-7. Tied for easiest schedule thus far of these 5. The Rams have 3 winnable games left on their schedule against the Lions, Seahawks, and 49ers. I honestly can't see the Rams winning any of these games. They're going to upset somebody to win at least one game this year. Final record of 1-15.
The Lions are 1-3 and have been outscored 134-83 by opponents with a combined record of 12-3. 2nd toughest schedule thus far out of these 5. The Lions have 4 winnable games left on their schedule against the Rams, Seahawks, Browns, and 49ers. I think they'll win 3 of those 4. They fall to the 49ers. Final record of 4-12.
The Raiders are 1-3 and have been outscored 86-42 by opponents with a combined record of 8-7. Tied for easiest schedule thus far of these 5. The Raiders have 3 winnable games left on their roster against the Chiefs, Redskins, and Browns. I think they'll lose 2 of those three and finish 2-14.
Draft order:
Rams (easier schedule)
Chiefs
Raiders
Browns
Lions
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So, there we are. Sitting at #2. Here's my first group of players to look at for the first 3 rounds. (Players available according to Scout.com)
1st round-
Russell Okung- OT, Ok. St. If we're going to build this team around Matt Cassel, we need to protect him. Bottomline. Drafting Branden Albert was a good start, but lets continue. Draft and sign as many great OL players as possible, then figure out where to put those players and in what combination they work best. (will be available due to the Rams' drafting of Jason Smith in 09.
Taylor Mays- S, USC- Widely considered the best defensive player in the country and the best safety to come out since Sean Taylor. There's reason for and against this pick. Both sides are pretty obvious. Still, he's a defensive play-maker that we just don't have right now.
NT- There are three interchangeable NTs available in this draft. Gerald McCoy of OU, Terrance Cody of Alabama, and Ndamukong Suh of Nebraska. I think Tank is doing fine at NT, but he's no Casey Hampton.
2nd round-
Germaine Gresham- TE, OU The best TE in this draft will be coming off a senior season in which he did not participate due to injury. He will probably still be on the board after the first round. This offense utilized the TE and it's essential to have a great one... not a Leonard Pope. Scout has him in the first, but he's gonna fall due to injury.
2nd pick round 2-
Sergio Kendell-OLB/DE, Texas (See Eric Norwood)
George Selvie-OLB/DE, South FL. (See Eric Norwood)
Offensive Line
Mike Johnson-G, Alabama
Mitch Petrus-G, Arkansas
Kyle Calloway-OT, Iowa
Bruce Campbell-OT, Maryland
3rd round-
Ciron Black-OT, LSU he Chiefs continue to build their O-line and protect their Cassel investment.
Matt Tenant-C, BC (see above)
Jon Jerry-G, Ole Miss (see above)
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Of course, without knowing what we do during this impending un-capped free agency this winter, my four round mock TODAY is:
1 (2)- Russell Okung, OT- This is a tough decision because we've made Albert lose a ton of weight and have made him focus on technique instead of just going out and playing on his raw ability like he did his rookie season. He's had to adjust to his loss of weight and is basically going through a second rookie season and 3rd offensive system in less than one full year. So, it's hard to say if he's a true franchise LT. But, like I said above, we've invested a lot in Matt Cassel and need to give him the best chance to succeed. That "best chance" involves moving the versatile Albert inside to play guard while taking the best value in a TRUE franchise LT at #2.
2 (34)- Germaine Gresham, TE- Again, continue building the OL and giving Matt Cassel the best chance to succeed by giving him a great TE who can block and give him a great go-to target on 3rd down and in the red-zone.
2 (50's)- Bruce Campbell, OT- This pick is assuming O'Callghan doesn't claim the RT job during the remainder of the season. Other wise, this pick would be the best WR available, which we'll say is going to be Arrelious Benn from Illinois for the sake of putting a name to it.
3 (66)- Eric Norwood, OLB/DE- A nasty-fast pass rusher that would be our version of Shawn Merriman in the 3-4. He would allow Hali or Vrabel to move inside and thus completing the LB corp for 2010 or at least until Vrabel becomes obsolete.
4 (97)- Myron Rolle, SS- Probably the smartest player in the draft. Awarded the Rhodes scholarship, he's not playing in 2009 due to his attendance at Oxford. He announced in Jan. that he'd be entering the draft in 2010. Pioli wants smart players...
4 (112) The Tyler Thigpen trade becomes a boon for the Chiefs as he delivers in a big way in Miami and nets the Chiefs a 5th round pick. Pioli then trades his first 5th round pick to get back into the 4th round.
LeGarrette Blount, RB- A gamble on a low-character guy in hopes that he learned his lesson. I think it shows to his humbleness, acceptance, and maturity that he's accepting the punishment given to him by Oregon and not transferring to a D-II school just to play. If he had a good season, not necessarily great, but just a good season at Oregon, he probably would've gone in the first round, if not been the first RB taken. LJ could very well be gone after this season and we're going to need a REAL RB back there to take over. I think it's worth the risk and the low-cost 4th round contract if it doesn't work out.
Assuming we don't find starters in FA or later in the draft, the O-line looks like this:
LT-Okung
LG-Waters
C-Goff
RG-Albert
RT-O'Callghan/Campbell
I'd consider moving Waters to the right side so that Albert and Okung could develop together and lock down that blind side for the next decade while letting our best O-lineman help out the young RT.
Front defensive 7 are:
DE-Jackson, Dorsey
NT-Tank
OLB-Hali, Norwood
ILB-DJ, Vrabel
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Nice analysis TC but I really don't think Waters or Goff will be on this team next year. We need OL BAD...Originally Posted by texaschief
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Yeah, I'd rather see Albert next to the new LT and let them work together on the left side for the next 10 years. I'd love a new Center and RG in the late 2nd and 3rd rounds.
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As bad as we need Okung and to fill the rest of the ol, Taylor Mays would definetly fill a need and he's a helluva player. I'd have to take him...
I'd probably take Benn with our 2nd.
The rest of the draft and FA I'd fill the ol/rb/lb spots.
Some may say I got this assbackwards. But man we got so many needs - same as the last couple drafts...
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My week 6 mock:
1-Russell Okung LT
2-Germaine Gresham TE
2-George Selvie OLB/DE
3-Matt Tenant C
4-Myron Rolle SS
5-LeGarret Blount RB
5-Brandon Carter OG
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At this point I would love to see a great LT and Albert on the interior because I think he would be a beast there. Im just afraid that if we move him around next year, it will set him back.
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Let's not forget Brown who is on the mysterious IR. They were playing him at guard during camp. I'm hoping he can take Goffs spot. One tackle and a center could be a complete make over.
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My CHIEFS mock 2.0 (January 9th)
My CHIEFS mock 2.0 (January 9th)
First Round:
1. Rams- DT-Suh
2. Lions- DT-McCoy
3. Bucs- S-Eric Berry
4. Redskins- QB-Bradford
5. CHIEFS- ILB- Rolando McClain
Second Round:
36. CHIEFS- TE-Jermaine Gresham
50. CHIEFS (From Atlanta)-OT-Kyle Calloway
Third Round:
68. CHIEFS- WR-Jordan Shipley
Fourth Round-
99. CHIEFS- OLB/DE- Sergio Kindle
Fifth Round-
133. CHIEFS-RB-LaGarret Blount
139. CHIEFS (From Miami)-S-Myron Rolle
145. CHIEFS (From Carolina)OG- Eric Olsen
Sixth Round-
164. CHIEFS-OG-Brandon Carter
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1. Rolando McClain- ILB (Alabama)
It's obvious that the Chiefs at the VERY LEAST need one more ILB whether they keep Derrick Johnson or not. I'd like to see Johnson stay and team up with McClain in the middle. Linebackers were not a source of strength for the Chiefs this season and if Suh and Berry are off the board at #5, the best option available for the Chiefs would be McClain. I'm usually all for upgrading the Oline, but there just isn't that OT available at #5 that would be worth the pick. McClain is a better ILB prospect than Curry was last season and he's a born defensive leader... something this defense DESPERATELY needs. Vrabel may not even be back for next season and even if he is, he won't be here much longer. McClain is the best pick here assuming Suh or Berry do not fall.
2A.Jermaine Gresham-TE (Oklahoma)
I believed even before the season that Brad Cottam could be the future at the TE position for the Chiefs. Once given his opportunity later in the season, he began to prove me right. However, his season ending (possible career ending) vertebrae injury has put a serious question mark in that theory. So, if Gresham falls to the Chiefs in the 2nd round, it has to be a no-brain decision to grab him. Haley went through several TE's this season trying to find one that will work in his system. Gresham has all the abilities to be a top flight passing target with decent blocking skills.
2B. Kyle Calloway- OT (Iowa)
Addressing the offensive line in the 2nd round is essential to this team. Moving Calloway to the RT position puts the Chiefs in position to have their OT positions locked up for the foreseeable future. Albert should not be replaced at LT. He DID give up 9 sacks this season, but 7 of those were in the first 3 games while he was getting used to playing at his new weight and having to concentrate on fundamentals. The following 13 games, he just allowed 3 sacks. He showed improvement and also showed some nice run blocking once a real RB was in the backfield.
3. Jordan Shipley- WR (Texas)
If he is available, this is ALSO a no-brain decision. A PERFECT slot receiver. Sure handed, fast, quick, reliable... everything you could possibly want from a slot receiver. If this is going to be New England 2.0, consider Shipley, Welker 2.0.
4. Sergio Kindle- DE/OLB (Texas)
A BEAST on the outside. Could be this team's version of Shawn Merriman. The Chiefs will be looking for another OLB if they decide not to bring back Mike Vrabel who was a bit injury prone this past season. A linebacking corp of Hali, Williams, McClain, and Kindle would be one of the best... if not THE best in the league.
5A. LaGarret Blount- RB (Oregon)
A fifth round gamble on a player who was projected to be a first round pick before character issues became relevant. The NFL has seemed to require a change of pace in the backfield. Currently, the Chiefs have the lightning... Blount would bring the Thunder.
5B. Myron Rolle- S (Florida St.)
Could fall. If he had gone into the draft in 2009, he could've been a 2nd round pick. However, he became the Rhodes Scholar and took the year off from football. By FAR the smartest guy in the draft. The Chiefs need help at the Safety position. He's strong, fast, and physical to go along with the smarts. If Pioli gets the feeling that Rolle will still be available in the 5th round, he may even pass on Berry if he's available at #5. The combo of McClain/Rolle would be superior to any combo of Berry/5th rd ILB (Unless Spikes is available... which he won't be).
5C. Eric Olsen- OG (Notre Dame)
The Chiefs need help on the Oline. Instead of grabbing a sure-fire starting CENTER in the early rounds, the Chiefs could move Waters inside to Center and find starting guards in the 5th and 6th rounds. Eric Olsen at 6'5, 305. Has a reputation of being mean and aggressive. Played his junior year at Center and his senior year at LG. He could start at RG for the Chiefs next season.
6. Brandon Carter- (Texas Tech)
A 2008 first team All-American. He played OT, but will probably play OG at the next level. He would start IMMEDIATELY at LG next to Albert. This kid is one of the nastiest players in America. After having some nice guys on the line like Shields and Waters, it might be interesting to have a few guys on this line who would kick your mother in the mouth to gain a yard.
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Offensive Line:
LT-Branden Albert
LG-Brandon Carter
C-Brian Waters
RG-Eric Olsen
RT-Kyle Calloway
TE-Jermaine Gresham
Linebackers:
LOLB-Sergio Kindle
LILB-Derrick Johnson
RILB-Rolando McClain
ROLB-Tamba Hali
Wide Receivers
Chris Chambers
Dwayne Bowe
Jordan Shipley
Bobby Wade
Safeties
Jarrad Page
Myron Rolle
Running Backs
Jamaal Charles
LaGarrett Blount
Last edited by texaschief; 01-09-2010 at 08:39 PM.
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by the way, that wasn't a mock of what I think Pioli will necessarily do, but what I would do. Also, I don't think there's ANYWAY we get through the draft without drafting Terrence Cody from Alabama. I wouldn't be shocked at all to see him as our first 2nd round pick. I WILL however, burn Arrowhead TO THE GROUND if he's our first round pick.
If we could get McClain/Cody with picks 1 and 2, and then Shipley/Kindle with picks 4 and 5, that could be something pretty interesting.
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