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2009 draft picks dropping
Colin Brown-IR
Jake O'Connell- Probably waived if the Chiefs sign Michael Mathews
Jarvis Williams on the practice squad
Now, the Chiefs waive Quinten Lawrence
Add that to TJ and Magee suckin it up and Washington contributing very little and this is quickly becoming a draft reminiscent of the Vermeil era.
Poor drafts from 2000 to 2005 is what destroyed this team and here we are again. Getting NOTHING from our top picks and releasing our later round draft picks half way thru the season.
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Honestly, Im shocked that we haven't already seen a press release. According to ESPN, the NFL is also looking into the LJ situation. LJ will likely be facing a league suspension because of his deflamatory comments towards gays.Originally Posted by josh1971
I can think of one under-performing player with a big contract who may be getting cut...
very soon
It may be that the Chiefs are waiting on league action against LJ before releasing him. That may allow the Chiefs to recover some money from LJ's contract through arbitration.
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At this point in his career Richard Seymour has 10 tack. 0 sacks 0 passes def.
Tyson Jackson has 5 tack. 0 sacks and 1 pass def.
Only saying this to re-point out that give the man sometime before we call him a bust.
I'm not saying he is going to be Richard Seymour, it would be incredible if he was even close
P.S. Darius Heyward-Bey biggest bust/slash reach in the draft Guy has almost the same number of catches and names
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Wow, i went to read this thread and cannot believe how some of you believe that Tyson Jackson is a bust already. You gotta give the kid some time, he is a rookie after all.
I really hope you guys werent expecting Jackson to step in and get massive amounts of tackles and sacks right off the get go.
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Some were, they are so used to immediate gratification that they don't understand that it may take a year or two. There are also some who think that with a new HC and GM we should be in the SB this year and because we are not they are both failures. Folks it does not happen over night I know Miami did it last year but look at them this year they only have one more win than us.
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Well said Dave. However, I honestly believe the Dolphins have a much better team than ours this year (yeah that hurts and sucks @ss to say!)
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I for one don't think TJ is a bust yet. I think he was an AWFUL pick at #3 for a team that needed impact players from the 09 draft. I also realize making the SB takes more than a year with a new regime; however is it really too much to ask for the guys who are throwing away players left and right to, at the VERY LEAST replace those players with comparable talent or realize not protecting a $60 million investment is probably a poor decision?
Would you purchase a $60 million home without purchasing insurance along with it... ESPECIALLY if you have the extra money just sitting there not being utilized (as the Chiefs do)?
Is it REALLY too much to ask for impact from a rookie for a team in DESPERATE need of one? There are rookies all over this league making impacts on their teams. These men are being paid LARGE sums of money to make player evaluations and acquisitions. A LOT of people weren't sure Dorsey could make the transition to 3-4 DE, but these guys SHOULD have been able to make the correct decision and not wasted 2 of their first three picks on non-impact DEs like TJ and Magee. Again, I don't think Jackson is going to be an awful player. I think he was an awful pick for the Chiefs this season.
Not only did they fail at evaluating the DE position, but they also failed at evaluating the O-line and chose to do nothing about it until it was too late. Then, without a plan in place, they cut players without replacing them with comparable talent.
Since CP's resignation and Pioli's takeover, I've only seen a couple moves that wouldn't be considered "poor."
- Trade for Cassel
- Drafting Succop
- Signing Mays, Belcher, O'Callaghan
EVERYTHING.... REPEAT... EVERYTHING that has been done since has been a below average move/decision. If you can tell me the positive of:
- Waiting so long to sign Pioli
- Waiting so long to fire Edwards
- Waiting so long to sign Todd Haley
- Signing Todd Haley
- Hiring a DC responsible for the 28th "best" defense last season
- Changing the defensive scheme to 3-4 when all the young talent in place is best suited for the 4-3
- Reaching for TJ at #3
- Drafting Magee in the 3rd
- Drafting Brown in the 5th
- Not drafting/signing more O-line help than Goff after giving Cassel $60 million
- Cutting Bernard Pollard (leading tackler last season/currently the 3rd leading tackler (27) for Houston after just 4 games in support of an avg. rush defense) for a player 8 years older than him who hadn't played a full season in 5 seasons who's just as "bad" at tackling. Brown, in contrast has 42 tkls in 7 games.
- Trading an impact player like Tank Tyler with, AGAIN no replacement.
- Benching Derrick Johnson (best defensive athlete)
- Firing the OC ONE WEEK BEFORE the regular season
- Trading draft picks for scrub O-linemen from Miami
- Constantly berating your players, humiliating them, and inturn, losing the club house
- Having damn near THE MOST available cap space going into an uncapped season for a 1-6 team.
... I'd be happy to listen, cuz I just don't see it. But hey, maybe you're right. Maybe I'm just expecting too much.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. It's not THAT Pioli/Haley are losing... it's HOW they are losing. When most of these decisions were being made, they were questionable at the time... this isn't "Monday morning QBing." These are elementary mistakes that are being made.
Last edited by texaschief; 11-01-2009 at 11:37 PM.
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1. Hunt's problem? Is there a Rooney rule for GMs as well?
2. The Candidate wanted just so happened to get on a hot streak in the playoffs and made it to the superbowl.
3. See 2...
4. Who else would you have hired post Herm Edwards that was available after the superbowl and wanted to coach this year? Cowher and Shanahan don't count.
5. Do you promote from within/ hold Gunther/ or test the waters with someone you don't know? How many coaches were still available at that time line that were willing to come to KC for an interview?
6. 3-4 GM with 3-4 coaches coaching and drafting/evaluating talent for a 4-3 would be just as bad.
7. I wanted an O-Lineman.
8. This team has no D-Line depth. Its why our defense gets progressively worse as the game goes on (aside from our bad offense)
9. I don't remember who else was available in the 5th round but are any of them making head way in the NFL right now? Or are most of them developmental projects like the rest of the 5-7 round picks?
10. Truth
11. Don't really care about Pollard. Some people may forgive bad plays when they see a crushing blow but I don't. Whats that say about Pollard in Huston? He's just doing their what he did here; sucking it up in coverage but making the a big hit every now and again. Really its a matter of pick your poison. Good run stuffer for a bad rushing defense. We need a better secondary altogether.
12. Tank Tyler was never really impacting anything. Good job tank you caught the ball carrier running straight up the gut and padded your stats.
13. Derrick Johnson is pretty good when he wants to be but pretty invisible most of the time. Its all about the MTV cribs...
14. Bad move...probably...
15. Meh I haven't seen enough of either to form an opinion but they are better then Goff.
16. Links? Quotes? Where is everyone getting their insider information? Whitlock? (22 players) Bowe? (preseason) DJ? (DJ?) constantly? Maybe its true maybe it isn't I haven't seen nor read anything to say that this is happening so frequently.
17. I'd like to see/have seen them spend more money but would it really have done anything this season besides add a few high dollar athletes who probably don't give a damn?
Last edited by DT14PRIEST; 11-01-2009 at 11:57 PM.
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The Chiefs actualy moved pretty quick to sign hailey. They had to by NFL rule wait for the Cardinal season to end and they signed his the week after the superbowl. So they didnt wait to long. As for the signing hailey being bad wait and see if the chiefs look this bad next season i will agree but its a little early yet to say that.
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As far as Haley is concerned, the fundamental and elementary mistakes this guy is making week in and week out since he got this job has him on equal footing or even, at this point, below Herm Edwards as a Head Football Coach. I hope to God this guy was a one year bridge.
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1. Hunt hires the GM so wouldn't that be a mark on his resume then the current FO?
2. From what I remember Denver was out of the Playoffs and fired Shanahan on the 30th of December and hired McDaniels on the 11th of January.
Pioli was hired on the 13th of January.
I didn't say 1st candidate in my post anyways. I said the Candidate they wanted (which could mean 2nd choice/ 3rd choice whatever choice no one knows at this point)
4. No one with a proven track record wanted to coach this year and no one wanted Herm in the HC position anymore anyways after CP resigned.
The only 'semi' talented player that's been cut from this team is Pollard and even that is debatable. We have no idea whats happening internally with the Chiefs so anything debating otherwise is frivolous speculation.
5. That's all well and good but who would you hire? What qualified candidate was out at the that time that we missed out on? The coaching pool was just as shallow as the FA pool this year and the Chiefs got into it late because they hired their HC so late in the process.
And wasn't Gunther's second chance at the DC under Vermiel just as awful as his third under Herm when he was given the FAs he wanted and ran the defense how he wanted as well? He still didn't do anything with it. And now in Detroit his defense lost to the Rams. Not exactly glowing credentials.
6. Its in Vogue its what he built the Pats before they switched over. So he can do both but he's done one better for longer.
9. Brown is still on the team (IR but on the team). It doesn't really matter in my mind who the team drafts post rounds 1-4. Everything after 4 is a crap shoot.
11. They play equivalent ball. Pollard and Brown are on pace to set the same amount of tackles (they're both averaging ~6 tackles a game) the edge goes to Brown who also has a sack.
12. Yea he was decent depth that I agree with but the argument was that he was impact and he wasn't impact. Where was the impact? The defense played the same with or without him in the line up. So where's the loss?
Do 3-4 lineman really make eye popping stats? I don't know what you're looking for in Jackson he's doing basically what he was drafted for. If you're looking for sacks then I suggest you watch replays of the game and tell me exactly how many times he's in when the down is an obvious passing down.
13. I remember someone telling me DJ was a beast (it wasn't you I don't think) or that he was dominant or some form or another but all we've seen from DJ since he's been drafted is an average LB not living up to his potential. Best defensive player? Possibly when he decides to play up to his potential then I'll believe it. If he was so great why hasn't he made pro bowl at least once yet?
I even called for him to have a break out year.
15. I don't know why they aren't playing. You can ask 9 out of 10 other people and they'll probably say the same thing. Any guess is as good as mine as to why they aren't playing.
I don't know why you're so miffed about the MTV cribs thing. Didn't mean to burst you're DJ bubble but its painfully obvious.
16. I do. and I've seen Haley yell at Brodie for being a dumbass, Cassel once or twice for miscommunication and the whole Brian Waters thing...Thats about it. You've insinuated that he's just a constant debbie downer on his players. Always putting them down and never saying anything positive about them and in turn losing the club house? When? Where? How many different players have you heard this from? Why did they give Haley a Gatorade shower at the WA game? Is that type of celebration really indicative to a team that hates its HC?
17. Hey look we agree. I wanted more O-Lineman as well. I wanted at least 3 new decent ones possibly 4 but not everything goes according to plan.
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