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    I don't think he sucks, and I know we our offense is still in the gelling process, but I honest don't think he is elite or ever will be elite. I don't think he has great accuracy, I don't think he has a great arm, and I don't think he has great vision either. I would say he will be a good quaterback, but never be great. Heres the thing we don't need great, we need good we need a guy that doesn't throw a lot of of interceptions, which he doesn't, but we also need accuracy and right now he doesn't have it, right now he is not a good QB. Trent Green was a good QB behind phenomenal line he had great accuracy and an average arm. Cassel doesn't have the luxury of a good line, and has bad accuracy he overthrows balls or underthrows so when a receiver catches the ball he has to slow down to catch it because of his slow release. I don't think he is worth what we are paying him, because I think he is a 3rd pick at best and we are paying him like a 1st rounder which he isn't. I think we need to work on our O-line and possible pick up a QB with that second round pick we got for Tony, im not saying we should get rid of Cassel but he does need competition which Brody is not going to give him not because Brodie isn't good but Brodie gets hurt too easy so he will pretty much always be a career back up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bike View Post
    Cassel is doing well considering the monster hits the guy has been taking. And he is showing leadership qualities (ie: consoling Savage after the bumble). With no ol, oc, qb coach, or wr coach, I think he's doing as well as anyone could expect.
    Truth

    Quote Originally Posted by figcrostic View Post
    Its not just our O-line when he was New England he was one of the most sacke qbs cause he holds onto the ball too long, plus his accuracy has been crappy the line doesn't determine that it's not like hes been getting rid of the ball too soon and its affecting his accuracy he holds onto it too long and still has bad accuracy
    Truth.

    I was giving him the benefit of the doubt with the New England line. After they "let" Brady get hurt, I just figured their time as a good O-line was over and all of Cassels sacks last year would've been sacks even if Brady had been healthy. The New England line made one change from last year and rank first in the league in fewest sacks allowed this season. Even more evidence that the sack issue has just as much to do with Cassel as it does the O-line. But, by evidence of how horrible the O-line is at run-blocking, it's not ENTIRELY Cassel's fault either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefster View Post
    Yeah, really the only problem I have with him is that he doesn't try to throw it away when no one is open down field outside the tackles.
    This has frustrated me ALL SEASON. Why doesn't the QB coach tell him something like "get rid of the ball?" My guess is he's probably too busy feuding with too many of his other players to even think about coaching up his QB.


    Quote Originally Posted by honda522 View Post
    If you ask me the whole dam offense is not working right. You got backs running into Qb's, WR lining up wrong, and lineman not taking on the right personnel.

    Shape up or ship out.
    This is a coaching issue... not a talent issue. MIGHT have something to do with switching the entire offense the week before the season started...


    The deal for Cassel/Vrabel was a great deal for the Chiefs. I have my doubts about Cassel as a franchise QB, but quite honestly, you can't really name more than 10 entrenched "franchise QB's" in the NFL right now that you'd feel comfortable building your team around.

    Brady-Patriots
    Manning-Colts
    McNabb-Eagles
    Brees-Saints
    Rivers-Chargers
    Manning-Giants
    Ryan-Falcons
    Roethlisberger-Steelers
    Palmer?-Bengals
    Flacco?-Ravens
    Cutler?-Bears
    Stafford?-Lions
    Sanchez?-Jets
    Shaub?-Texans

    If you look at the list, the first 9 or 10 teams are on the elite level of the NFL which would go against the "you don't NEED an elite QB to win" theory... (which i agree with lol)

    At the end of the day, you gotta go with someone. I thought Brodie and/or Thigpen could've handled the duties until we got our O-line in order, but that didn't happen. Hopefully, this season for Cassel will be one like Aikmen had to endure in Dallas.

    I just don't see how Pioli could think Haley has done even an average job of coaching these players. He's got his head so far up his own with appointing himself pretty much the ONLY offensive coach on the team. In order for your players to perform at the level you think they should be performing, they need coaching. One man can't do it all and the players can't coach themselves.

    The head coach shouldn't be:
    teaching WRs where to lineup,
    while teaching his QB where his reads and progressions should go on any given coverage per play,
    while developing a game plan for the next opponent,
    while developing an offensive game plan for the next opponent
    while developing a defensive game plan for the next opponent
    while watching game film,
    while PROPERLY evaluating the talent on the team, while feuding with disgruntled players
    while trying to find more "players off the street"
    while holding press conferences
    while blowing smoke up his own ***

    THIS COACHING SITUATION MAKES ABSOLUTELY ZERO SENSE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dennystillchiefs View Post
    actuality I,am impressed with cassel so far. with the beatings he has takeing this year. he been doing ,all right . He,s not Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, but both of them would'nt be doing as good under the same o,line have you seen how much time they get to throw appeared to Cassel

    Me too, considering the expectations I had for him with this offense.

    All things considered, I think he has done prety well.

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    He has done decent, nothing too spectacular but nothing too horrible either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texaschief View Post
    This has frustrated me ALL SEASON. Why doesn't the QB coach tell him something like "get rid of the ball?" My guess is he's probably too busy feuding with too many of his other players to even think about coaching up his QB.
    To quote HH: "word".


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    Quote Originally Posted by loyalchief91 View Post
    He has done decent, nothing too spectacular but nothing too horrible either.
    I think hes been pretty good the one negitive i see is sometime he has time to get rid of the ball before being sacked and doesn't. Besides that I think he shows some promise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texaschief View Post

    The head coach shouldn't be:
    teaching WRs where to lineup,
    while teaching his QB where his reads and progressions should go on any given coverage per play,
    while developing a game plan for the next opponent,
    while developing an offensive game plan for the next opponent
    while developing a defensive game plan for the next opponent
    while watching game film,
    while PROPERLY evaluating the talent on the team, while feuding with disgruntled players
    while trying to find more "players off the street"
    while holding press conferences
    while blowing smoke up his own ***

    THIS COACHING SITUATION MAKES ABSOLUTELY ZERO SENSE.
    This part quoted for absolute truth.

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    I don't think Cassel is the weak link on the Chiefs roster right now.

    I think he's exactly what we should have been looking for in Spring '09. As the season ended last year, my first thought about the Chiefs was that we absolutely had to get a QB who wouldn't lose it for us. Not necessarily make amazing plays and somehow save the day (sure, it'd be nice), but someone who could stay healthy and just not screw it up too badly.

    I think Cassel has done that admirably. Bringing him in wasn't particularly risky or expensive (in draft picks.. it was in $$). I bet you could find at least a dozen teams this year who'd kill to have him on the same terms. We definitely met one last Sunday.

    Right now, I think the number one focus to fix the Chiefs should be finding the weakest links and replacing them. O-Line and secondary (safety) probably are the most obvious needs I can see.

    But Cassel's a long, long ways from being the weak link in this chain. Yeah, he's had his share of issues, but I have a hard time believing that next year's Sanchez or Stafford would be such an amazing upgrade that it'd be worth *not* fixing our other glaring issues.

    I actually like our QB depth right now. Watching Denver bring in Chris Simms (and Oaklind bring in Gradkowski) made me really appreciate Brodie Croyle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rustic View Post
    I don't think Cassel is the weak link on the Chiefs roster right now.

    I think he's exactly what we should have been looking for in Spring '09. As the season ended last year, my first thought about the Chiefs was that we absolutely had to get a QB who wouldn't lose it for us. Not necessarily make amazing plays and somehow save the day (sure, it'd be nice), but someone who could stay healthy and just not screw it up too badly.

    I think Cassel has done that admirably. Bringing him in wasn't particularly risky or expensive (in draft picks.. it was in $$). I bet you could find at least a dozen teams this year who'd kill to have him on the same terms. We definitely met one last Sunday.

    Right now, I think the number one focus to fix the Chiefs should be finding the weakest links and replacing them. O-Line and secondary (safety) probably are the most obvious needs I can see.

    But Cassel's a long, long ways from being the weak link in this chain. Yeah, he's had his share of issues, but I have a hard time believing that next year's Sanchez or Stafford would be such an amazing upgrade that it'd be worth *not* fixing our other glaring issues.

    I actually like our QB depth right now. Watching Denver bring in Chris Simms (and Oaklind bring in Gradkowski) made me really appreciate Brodie Croyle.
    First welcome to the crowd. I defently agree there are many teams that probley wish they had our QB depth. I for one like what we have there. Thats a postion of strenght on this team right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rustic View Post
    I don't think Cassel is the weak link on the Chiefs roster right now.

    I think he's exactly what we should have been looking for in Spring '09. As the season ended last year, my first thought about the Chiefs was that we absolutely had to get a QB who wouldn't lose it for us. Not necessarily make amazing plays and somehow save the day (sure, it'd be nice), but someone who could stay healthy and just not screw it up too badly.

    I think Cassel has done that admirably. Bringing him in wasn't particularly risky or expensive (in draft picks.. it was in $$). I bet you could find at least a dozen teams this year who'd kill to have him on the same terms. We definitely met one last Sunday.

    Right now, I think the number one focus to fix the Chiefs should be finding the weakest links and replacing them. O-Line and secondary (safety) probably are the most obvious needs I can see.

    But Cassel's a long, long ways from being the weak link in this chain. Yeah, he's had his share of issues, but I have a hard time believing that next year's Sanchez or Stafford would be such an amazing upgrade that it'd be worth *not* fixing our other glaring issues.

    I actually like our QB depth right now. Watching Denver bring in Chris Simms (and Oaklind bring in Gradkowski) made me really appreciate Brodie Croyle.
    I am by no means saying he is anywhere near our weakest link he will be good if he has a good line, but he's not gonna carry our team like everyone thought he's just not that good, but if we have more tools for him and protection we will have a damn good team

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    Damn, some of you guys are so impatient. So here's a news flash- THIS TEAM IS NOT GOING TO BE A PLAYOFF CALIBER TEAM FOR ANOTHER TWO OR THREE SEASONS!!! We are in week 11 of the first season of a completely redone football franchise. About the only thing more drastic would have been an ownership change. We have a new GM, a new head coach and a lot of young players. How does anyone expect Cassel to play better considering what he has to work with? He has one of the worst offensive lines, until a couple weeks ago he had a locker room cancer in LJ running the ball(or lack thereof), wide receivers who can't catch footballs in practice let alone in a game and no Tony Gonzalez. Now add in that one of the better WR's we have is essentially gone for the season for drug issues. I don't know of any QB who could do much better in the same circumstances. If you guys are that impatient, maybe it's time to root for another team. I guess I'm more objective and see the little things that this team is doing right and the improvements they've made. After three years of Herm Edwards, I'm willing to give Pioli and Haley and Cassel a chance.

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