Still not impressed by Cassel

**figcrostic** · 11-22-2009, 10:31 PM

He made a couple great throws, but he made a bunch of really really bad throws. The guy needs to be more consistent, be more accurate, and throw the damn ball. Today he was sacked 5 times!!! Out of 5 maybe 1 time wasn't his fault the rest of the time it's like "Cassel throw the

damn ball!" He did not win that game for us not even close, Jamaal Charles, Chris Chambers, Studebaker, and Hali stood out, Cassel did not he looked like crap the first half, then he came alive in the fourth quarter , but he almost cost us the game with the fumble, if he wouldn't have fumbled the ball we would have not had to go to overtime and we would have ended it in the 4th. The sad thing is I was really for Cassel, I thought we got a future pro-bowler and all we got is a poor mans Damon Huard, a QB with a below average arm but doesn't throw a lot of interceptions but at least Huard was able to get rid of the ball quicker this is getting ridiculous. You gotta take what you got, and some times you gotta throw it away Cassel. All in all I am impressed by our win GO CHIEFS!! but please pick up a qb in the draft that can give Cassel some competition, thanks.

**figcrostic** · 11-24-2009, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by hometeam

Have you seen GB's line? Its so horrible.

Aaron rogers just runs around RELEASES THE BALL and makes plays~

Yeah I agree Aaron Rogers is damn good! I wish we could've gotten him.

**drstandley31** · 11-24-2009, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by hometeam

Have you seen GB's line? Its so horrible.

Aaron rogers just runs around RELEASES THE BALL and makes plays~

The guy had a great college career, and sat behind Farve learning for a hundred f'n years, and has a very experienced receiving corps. Quite a bit of difference in over-all experience than what our guy's working with. And Rogers has tanked in some games that he had a chance to win. My wife's a f'n cheese head so I have to watch those

'ers every week. He's good, and I think He'll be great, but he's had his trouble too.

**IlovetheChiefs** · 11-24-2009, 09:12 PM

Heh heh, this is funny every day still seeing these 2 threads come up next to each other ("impressed with Cassel", "not impressed with Cassel").

Just posting the same thing in this thread as the other one to keep them together yet again haha. :)

And also wanted to add that I agree about Rogers. He may not be a Favre (yet) but he's always impressed me. Surprisingly a rather high number of people seem to not be so keen on him (perhaps it's due to comparing him to Favre and the fact that GB lost twice to Minne this year) but I think he's pretty good.

**chief31** · 11-25-2009, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by figcrostic

Both Mannings, Big Ben, Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Brees, Favre, Pennington, Ryan, Warner, Mcnabb, Cutler, Carson Palmer,Romo I can keep going but you get the point there are much better talents around the league. If you said who is a better backup Qb he might be the best.

Name .........Compl% ...TD/Int QB Rat x-sack

Cassel - .............55% .....12/6 ..77.9 ....34

P. Manning - ....62.1% ....26/15 ..90.7 ....14

E. Manning - ....52.8% ....24/17 ..75.9 ....28

Roethlisberger - 62.7% .....17/9 ..98.6 ....23

Brees - ...........57.6% ....11/15 ..67.5 ....21

Tom Brady - ....62.1% ....28/14 ..85.7 ....31

Rogers - .........64.8% ....19/5 ..102.6 .....43

Favre - ..........60.9% ....19/24 ..72.2 ....30

Pennington - ...63.6% ....13/12 ..82.9 ....25

Ryan - ...........59.3% ....16/12 ..80 ....14

Warner - ........67.7% ....21/18 ..98.3 ....20

McNabb - .........58% ....21/13 ..77.8 ....45

Cutler - .........63.6% ....20/14 ..88.1 ....27

Palmer - ........67.8% ....32/12 .101.1 ....19

Romo - ..........64.4% ....36/19 ..97.4 ....24

Comparable - lesser

While many of these players had excellent second seasons, several, obviously did not.

With the numbers shown, for a second year starting, one could very easily argue that Cassel is better than Drew Brees. That he is better than Bret Favre. Better than Donovan McNabb. And better than Eli Manning.

Obviously...

That is not a real fair way to make the comparisons between Cassel and Favre, or Brees.

Why? Because those guys have played since their second year as starters.

But, Just as that is unfair, it is equally as unfair to compare Cassel to Warner, P. Manning and Romo.

However, it is far more fair than trying to compare him to guys who have had the extra years to improve (Favre/Brees/McNabb/E.Manning) who were no better during their second season as starter.

Now...

I didn't like the trade when it happened. And I will never like the immediate long-term contract that we gave Cassel.

I was one who immediately pointed to his tendancy to hold the ball too long. And yes... He still does have that problem.

But that is something that he can improve upon. And I have been very impressed with what he has done here, considering the horrible atmosphere that we have created for a QB.

Maybe you aren't impressed. That's fine.

But if you maybe look at it from this angle...

Cassel had very good numbers last season, with alot of talent around him. And he was holding onto the ball for far too long then.

If, in two years, we are able to put similar talent around him, to what he had with NE, having spent this season with precious little time to get rid of it, do you think that it is likely that he may actually get used to having little time to get rid of the ball and learn to release it quickly, more often, and prosper?

One might guess that a player with two more years of experience would be able to learn either way. But learning in an atmosphere of alot of pressure, only to go to a less pressure situation would seem to be quite benefitial to that lesson.

Also...

IF Cassel does improve on getting rid of the ball, do you think that improvement will show in his other satistics?

Bottom line...

He is a second year starter with a bad situation. (No OC, no QB coach, terrible blocking, questionable offensive system, questionable recieving corps, lack of a running game, etc.)

If we improve that situation, and allow him time to grow, are you really convinced that he can't be a great QB?

**figcrostic** · 11-25-2009, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by chief31

Name .........Compl% ...TD/Int QB Rat x-sack

Cassel - .............55% .....12/6 ..77.9 ....34

P. Manning - ....62.1% ....26/15 ..90.7 ....14

E. Manning - ....52.8% ....24/17 ..75.9 ....28

Roethlisberger - 62.7% .....17/9 ..98.6 ....23

Brees - ...........57.6% ....11/15 ..67.5 ....21

Tom Brady - ....62.1% ....28/14 ..85.7 ....31

Rogers - .........64.8% ....19/5 ..102.6 .....43

Favre - ..........60.9% ....19/24 ..72.2 ....30

Pennington - ...63.6% ....13/12 ..82.9 ....25

Ryan - ...........59.3% ....16/12 ..80 ....14

Warner - ........67.7% ....21/18 ..98.3 ....20

McNabb - .........58% ....21/13 ..77.8 ....45

Cutler - .........63.6% ....20/14 ..88.1 ....27

Palmer - ........67.8% ....32/12 .101.1 ....19

Romo - ..........64.4% ....36/19 ..97.4 ....24

Comparable - lesser

While many of these players had excellent second seasons, several, obviously did not.

With the numbers shown, for a second year starting, one could very easily argue that Cassel is better than Drew Brees. That he is better than Bret Favre. Better than Donovan McNabb. And better than Eli Manning.

Obviously...

That is not a real fair way to make the comparisons between Cassel and Favre, or Brees.

Why? Because those guys have played since their second year as starters.

But, Just as that is unfair, it is equally as unfair to compare Cassel to Warner, P. Manning and Romo.

However, it is far more fair than trying to compare him to guys who have had the extra years to improve (Favre/Brees/McNabb/E.Manning) who were no better during their second season as starter.

Now...

I didn't like the trade when it happened. And I will never like the immediate long-term contract that we gave Cassel.

I was one who immediately pointed to his tendancy to hold the ball too long. And yes... He still does have that problem.

But that is something that he can improve upon. And I have been very impressed with what he has done here, considering the horrible atmosphere that we have created for a QB.

Maybe you aren't impressed. That's fine.

But if you maybe look at it from this angle...

Cassel had very good numbers last season, with alot of talent around him. And he was holding onto the ball for far too long then.

If, in two years, we are able to put similar talent around him, to what he had with NE, having spent this season with precious little time to get rid of it, do you think that it is likely that he may actually get used to having little time to get rid of the ball and learn to release it quickly, more often, and prosper?

One might guess that a player with two more years of experience would be able to learn either way. But learning in an atmosphere of alot of pressure, only to go to a less pressure situation would seem to be quite benefitial to that lesson.

Also...

IF Cassel does improve on getting rid of the ball, do you think that improvement will show in his other satistics?

Bottom line...

He is a second year starter with a bad situation. (No OC, no QB coach, terrible blocking, questionable offensive system, questionable recieving corps, lack of a running game, etc.)

If we improve that situation, and allow him time to grow, are you really convinced that he can't be a great QB?

Where did you get those BS numbers from?

**hometeam** · 11-25-2009, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by figcrostic

Where did you get those BS numbers from?

i agree, those numbers are not right, just look at them.

Brees 11 tds 15 picks? lol

favre 19 tds and even more picks? nope try 21 tds 3 picks.

Those stats are pretty jacked up across the board.

**Canada** · 11-25-2009, 07:17 PM

I think those are stats comparing qbs at similar points in their careers

**hometeam** · 11-25-2009, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by Canada

I think those are stats comparing qbs at similar points in their careers

ah yea you are right~

**chief31** · 11-26-2009, 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by figcrostic

Where did you get those BS numbers from?

It's the stats for each of those guys during their second season as a starter. Why would you try to compare his second year numbers to Favre's...18th? Warner's 10th and Brees' 8th?

But I'll do ya one better...

How about Favre's 15th season, John Elway's 10th, Johnny Unitas' 6th, Joe Montana's 12th, Terry Bradshaw's fourth...

All of the greats have had their down seasons. More often than not, because of changes around them. Coaches, players, system...

Right now, Cassel has all of those changes around him.

The only legitimate complaint on Cassel right now is that he holds the ball too long.

Experience can often improve that.

When you consider all of the variables that he has going against him (Surrounding talent, availability of coaches, system) I am impressed that he is still on the field, let alone the decent play that he has managed.

**Chiefster** · 11-26-2009, 01:07 AM

Originally Posted by chief31

It's the stats for each of those guys during their second season as a starter. Why would you try to compare his second year numbers to Favre's...18th? Warner's 10th and Brees' 8th?

But I'll do ya one better...

How about Favre's 15th season, John Elway's 10th, Johnny Unitas' 6th, Joe Montana's 12th, Terry Bradshaw's fourth...

All of the greats have had their down seasons. More often than not, because of changes around them. Coaches, players, system...

Right now, Cassel has all of those changes around him.

The only legitimate complaint on Cassel right now is that he holds the ball too long.

Experience can often improve that.

When you consider all of the variables that he has going against him (Surrounding talent, availability of coaches, system) I am impressed that he is still on the field, let alone the decent play that he has managed.

I agree that, except for hanging on to the ball too long, he has done a comparatively good job IMO.