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    Default My mock...what do we think?

    Bored so I threw together a mock draft...Obviously this is all pending FA, but regardless of what goes down in FA I think this would be a pretty good draft...knock it, comment it, ideas...whatever :)

    1. Rolondo McClain - ILB - This kid is a great leader and has experience in running the 3-4. A solid young LB with lots of growth potential. We need someone like him to build our D around

    2a. Maurkice Pouncey - C/OG - Center is one of the positions we need upgraded the most, Niswanger killed us last season.

    2b. Ricky Sapp - OLB - This kid has a monster frame(6'5 246) and would make a monster pass rusher comin off the edge, which we badly need to replace Vrabel.

    3. Torrell Troup - NT - Even if we get someone in FA to take over our NT duties were going to need someone developing under them. We need help at NT bad

    4. Jacoby Ford - WR - Instant upgrade returner and a very explosive WR. We need someone to stretch the field. Surprisingly good route runner also... He killed my MD terps :(

    5a. Eric Olsen - OG/C - Played C and G for Weis and Notre Dame and we still need starters and/or depth for the o-line. Maybe start at RG or develop under Brian Waters

    5b. Ben Tate - RB - Tough, stout runner to help spell JC to keep him fresh.

    5c. Justin Woodall - SS - We have Jarrad Page and then...Mike Brown blows, McGraw is a servicable backup and I dont wanna put all of my eggs in Morgan's basket..

    6. John Skelton - QB - If Brodie not resigned, Skelton would be a good developmental project for Haley. Great size, good at progressing through his reads and good arm strength...only problem is he played in the colonial division =O
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    Not bad at all, but the offensive line isn't addressed enough, in my opinion.

    Love the center, but we still need a right guard and tackle.

    Okung or Williams gives us an upgrade at TWO positions - left tackle and right guard. Actually, it does more than that. It also helps Cassel and Jamaal do their jobs better.

    It's just the smartest pick, although I love McClain. #5 just feels too early for a linebacker. i know there have been guys who go that early, but they are usually special, special athletes. I know McClain is a special player, but not a freakish athlete like Curry was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAPHOJUNKIE View Post
    Not bad at all, but the offensive line isn't addressed enough, in my opinion.

    Love the center, but we still need a right guard and tackle.

    Okung or Williams gives us an upgrade at TWO positions - left tackle and right guard. Actually, it does more than that. It also helps Cassel and Jamaal do their jobs better.

    It's just the smartest pick, although I love McClain. #5 just feels too early for a linebacker. i know there have been guys who go that early, but they are usually special, special athletes. I know McClain is a special player, but not a freakish athlete like Curry was.
    I pretty much agree with all of this. Pioli passed on Curry, who was widely considered the best prospect in last year's draft, so it's hard to believe he'd "reach" on McClain a bit at 5.

    The combo of Albert and Okung have the potential to be our new Shields and Roaf, except this time we'd be able to have them for much longer.

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    For the consideration of our other needs, I do not think we need a RT. O'Callaghan did a good job there last season and we have Barry Richardson behind him getting better. Dont even get me started on picking an OT in the first....

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    here is my argument against a LT in the first...

    Okung is no better than Albert...Albert is learning to play LT with proper technique at a weight that allows him stay fast on his feet to keep up with the fastest pass rushers. Hailey made him lose all that weight so he could be our franchise LT and he really started to get it in the 2nd half of the season. Hes going to be a beast next season. Everyone makes it sound like drafting Okung and sliding down BA is an easy automatic fix and its guaranteed to work....Okung is going to go through the same rookie struggles that all non elite OTs go through. Just because he is the top rated OT in the draft doesnt make him elite. If he as elite as everyone here is making him out to be, there is no way he should make it to us with the teams picking ahead of us. Plus, there is no guarantee BA will work out at RG at the NFL level. (he played LG at VA). Too many uncertainties. Why not just draft Maurkice Pouncey with our 2nd and actually fill a position on the line that needs filling

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    By the way, I meant Anthony Davis out of Rutgers, not Williams.

    Dude, Branden Albert has NOT played like a franchise left tackle. He just hasn't. He was an outstanding guard, and would be again.

    If you guys aren't ESPN insiders, you are missing out on an excellent series of articles called the draft lab. It is an impartial, quantified analysis of each player. It calculates percentage of Point of Attack matchups won and "splash plays" which are plays where individual effort positively affect the game.

    rolando mcclain actually graded out much more poorly this year than you would anticipate. After the Kentucky game, he only won 6 point of attack battles (where he took on a blocker) in 5 contests, which comes to 13%. that means that only 13% of the time taking on a blocker he won the battle, over a 5 game spread.

    He also talks about mcClain's poor tackling technique, where he tackles by pulling on the front of the runner instead of wrapping his arms and stopping the momentum.

    Trent Williams graded out HORRIBLY.
    Anthony Davis had a very sketchy grade as well.

    A couple people who grade out excellently:

    Suh (I am officially campaigning for his new name to be Ndamakong Duh, since it's a no-brainer to draft him).
    Gerald mcCoy (a good point of note is how well he mixed up his pass rush moves).
    Bruce Campbell, OT maryland.

    here's the breakdown of Campbell:

    "Campbell allowed three splash plays (defined as when a defender does something to negatively impact a passing play) in the five Terrapin games I broke down (at California, vs. Clemson, vs. Virginia, at Florida State and vs. Boston College).

    As noted in the Trent Williams Draft Lab (read that here), the best professional pass rushers allow four or fewer splash plays in a season -- so this isn't a dominant number. Having said that, it does compare favorably to Williams' splash play totals (four in five games) and was much better than the number tallied
    in Anthony Davis' Draft Lab (eight splash plays in five games).

    Going on those numbers alone, I would have considered Campbell a solid professional left tackle prospect, but his stock shot up considerably when reviewing the run metric totals. Campbell was at the Point of Attack (POA) of a running play 38 times and won 35 of his blocks. That equates to a 92.1% POA win percentage, which, as detailed in the Peters analysis, would be an elite number in the NFL. In addition, Campbell received double team blocking help on only 11 of those plays, so his one-on-one POA win percentage was a superb 88.9%.

    The scouting eye notes on Campbell's run blocking weren't quite as good as numbers, but they were still almost entirely positive. One bright spot was that he was used as a pulling tackle quite often, which is an underrated skill that many NFL teams would take advantage of. His biggest issue is that he didn't consistently finish his blocks. That would be a problem if it were due to a lack of effort, but in Campbell's case it was inconsistent technique, so it is something that should be able to be coached out of him.

    From a pass blocking viewpoint, the major scouting eye concern is that Campbell received a lot of help from other blockers; this made me look back at the numbers, which showed Campbell received some kind of assistance from another blocker on 31 out of 120 dropback pass plays. That is a bit higher than one would expect from an elite pass blocker, but it is probably more due to Maryland's heavy use of zone blocking and facing two teams with 3-4 schemes than it is a sign that Campbell has blocking issues"

    Add to this the fact that his name is Bruce Campbell, the greatest actor to ever chop off his own hand and replace it with a chainsaw, and I say go get him.
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    You dont know he would be an outstanding G at the NFL level...one of the few knocks on him was ability to run block at this level, so you might not be right. And he is starting to play like a franchise LT now that he has learned to play with out the extra weight, and use proper technique instead, and he only finished his 2nd season. BA is already miles ahead of Okung. Like I said, just becaus he is the top rated OT, doesnt mean he is elite by any standards.

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    By the way, I meant Anthony Davis out of Rutgers, not Williams.

    Dude, Branden Albert has NOT played like a franchise left tackle. He just hasn't. He was an outstanding guard, and would be again.

    If you guys aren't ESPN insiders, you are missing out on an excellent series of articles called the draft lab. It is an impartial, quantified analysis of each player. It calculates percentage of Point of Attack matchups won and "splash plays" which are plays where individual effort positively affect the game.

    rolando mcclain actually graded out much more poorly this year than you would anticipate. After the Kentucky game, he only won 6 point of attack battles (where he took on a blocker) in 5 contests, which comes to 13%. that means that only 13% of the time taking on a blocker he won the battle, over a 5 game spread.

    He also talks about mcClain's poor tackling technique, where he tackles by pulling on the front of the runner instead of wrapping his arms and stopping the momentum.

    Trent Williams graded out HORRIBLY.
    Anthony Davis had a very sketchy grade as well.

    A couple people who grade out excellently:

    Suh (I am officially campaigning for his new name to be Ndamakong Duh, since it's a no-brainer to draft him).
    Gerald mcCoy (a good point of note is how well he mixed up his pass rush moves).
    Bruce Campbell, OT maryland.

    here's the breakdown of Campbell:

    "Campbell allowed three splash plays (defined as when a defender does something to negatively impact a passing play) in the five Terrapin games I broke down (at California, vs. Clemson, vs. Virginia, at Florida State and vs. Boston College).

    As noted in the Trent Williams Draft Lab (read that here), the best professional pass rushers allow four or fewer splash plays in a season -- so this isn't a dominant number. Having said that, it does compare favorably to Williams' splash play totals (four in five games) and was much better than the number tallied
    in Anthony Davis' Draft Lab (eight splash plays in five games).

    Going on those numbers alone, I would have considered Campbell a solid professional left tackle prospect, but his stock shot up considerably when reviewing the run metric totals. Campbell was at the Point of Attack (POA) of a running play 38 times and won 35 of his blocks. That equates to a 92.1% POA win percentage, which, as detailed in the Peters analysis, would be an elite number in the NFL. In addition, Campbell received double team blocking help on only 11 of those plays, so his one-on-one POA win percentage was a superb 88.9%.

    The scouting eye notes on Campbell's run blocking weren't quite as good as numbers, but they were still almost entirely positive. One bright spot was that he was used as a pulling tackle quite often, which is an underrated skill that many NFL teams would take advantage of. His biggest issue is that he didn't consistently finish his blocks. That would be a problem if it were due to a lack of effort, but in Campbell's case it was inconsistent technique, so it is something that should be able to be coached out of him.

    From a pass blocking viewpoint, the major scouting eye concern is that Campbell received a lot of help from other blockers; this made me look back at the numbers, which showed Campbell received some kind of assistance from another blocker on 31 out of 120 dropback pass plays. That is a bit higher than one would expect from an elite pass blocker, but it is probably more due to Maryland's heavy use of zone blocking and facing two teams with 3-4 schemes than it is a sign that Campbell has blocking issues"

    Add to this the fact that his name is Bruce Campbell, the greatest actor to ever chop off his own hand and replace it with a chainsaw, and I say go get him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDChiefs! View Post
    You dont know he would be an outstanding G at the NFL level...one of the few knocks on him was ability to run block at this level, so you might not be right. And he is starting to play like a franchise LT now that he has learned to play with out the extra weight, and use proper technique instead, and he only finished his 2nd season. BA is already miles ahead of Okung. Like I said, just becaus he is the top rated OT, doesnt mean he is elite by any standards.
    Well, Albert was one of the worst left tackles in the league last season statistically, even with his solid play in the second half.

    ProFootballFocus.com - By Position

    Okung started 4 years at LT in the Big 12 and shut down the nation's sack leader. He gave up just 1 sack all of last season.

    Albert was a "G/T" coming out, and we're trying to make him a franchise left tackle. Mel Kiper said he would be a Pro Bowl OG with the "potential to play tackle". Why not possibly have a pro bowler at both LT and RG?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDChiefs! View Post
    You dont know he would be an outstanding G at the NFL level...one of the few knocks on him was ability to run block at this level, so you might not be right. And he is starting to play like a franchise LT now that he has learned to play with out the extra weight, and use proper technique instead, and he only finished his 2nd season. BA is already miles ahead of Okung. Like I said, just becaus he is the top rated OT, doesnt mean he is elite by any standards.
    Branden Albert gave up 6 sacks this year dude. That doesn't say "franchise left tackle" to me.

    BUT - let's say you're right and Albert is learning to play at his new weight. So you're saying his troubles have had nothing to do with the new position? It's because he lost weight?

    Sorry, that doesn't fly. Great offensive tackles come into the pro game and play great. Albert has played well, but he has done absolutely nothing to warrant a protective status as our left tackle. You don't want the kind of line we had with Roaf and Shields? On that line we had John Tait and Willie Roaf, two FiRST ROUND picks at tackle. Great offensive lines don't just happen. You have to invest in them. Converting a college guard to a left tackle until he's adequate isn't the same as getting a franchise left tackle.

    Okung is the best tackle in the draft. You will never, ever, ever, ever go wrong taking the best tackle in the draft. ALbert has also had injury problems, and his salary is well below market value for a good right tackle. moving him to the right side is just SMART. It may not be necessary, but its smart.

    I won't be mad if we dont take a left tackle, but I don't see how on earth it possibly hurts us to go into next year with the best tackle and guard from this draft class. really, explain how that hurts us.
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    But hey, that doesn't necessarily mean we HAVE to take okung, but arguing against it seems irrational to me.

    however, between McClain and Okung, in my opinion Okung is the better player.

    here's the problem - we need THREE new offensive linemen. C, RG, RT are all areas of weakness, like you said.

    In the second round we could get a top guard like Iupati and still pick up a right tackle. I don't have a problem with Branden Albert staying on the left side, but far more needs to be done than just mildly addressing the offensive line.

    Am I the only one who misses the massive holes our offensive line used to open? can you imagine what Jamaal would do to defenses if the first time he was touched it was by the secondary?

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    A few years ago, the Jets drafted D'Brishshaw Ferguson in the first round, then used their NEXT pick on Nick Mangold. THEN they signed Alan Faneca.

    Now they have the #1 rushing game in the league. it's not a coincidence. It takes MULTIPLE draft picks and significant investment to have an elite offensive line. I want it elite. not good, not very good, ELITE.

    last year the Ravens took Michael Oher, despite already having Gaither in place. We absolutely have to draft and spend more to GET BETTER.
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