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    NFL Draft 2010: The Chiefs Second Round Picks Reveal A Team Ready to Win

    Here's assuming most of us never saw this coming. The Chiefs second round choices have probably stumped most of us and left the best of us scratching our heads. But instead of seeming unclear, the 2010 NFL Draft is revealing some interesting cards the Chiefs have been holding for some time and it means that things are much more exciting that we ever realized.

    So to help you out, I mind-melded with Scott Pioli after the 50th pick to check in with what he was thinking. And what we found out is worth hearing:

    1. Scott Pioli has one thing in mind: getting playmakers on every facet of the team.

    Consider this. The offense, the defense and special teams units all now have an absolute home run hitter in place. On any level, the Chiefs now have someone you can actually expect to make a game-changing play. Eric Berry is absolutely electric in the defensive backfield. Dexter McCluster can be utilized all over the offensive side and is someone that defensive coordinators absolutely have to account for. And Javier Arenas is being called the best returner in the entire draft.

    At the NFL level, it's those truly special talents that usually change the final outcome. It's the fantastic return that generates the unexpected field position. It's the guy with great hands who comes through in the clutch. It's the unshakeable kicker. It's the uber-athleticism of someone like McCluster that breaks a play wide open. And certainly, we knew that Berry was already capable of such things.

    Of course, you can't do anything without an appropriate foundation, which leads me to...


    2. Scott Pioli believes the foundation is already in-house or available elsewhere.

    Remember this: if rookies get signed, then someone has to go. The Chiefs need some inside linebacker help, yet the Raiders are the ones with Rolando McClain. Now the rumors are that a guy like Kirk Morrison will be a free agent. Perhaps it's these sorts of pick-ups that Pioli is envisioning with the rest of the off-season available to him after the draft as teams must make moves to avoid roster bonuses, adjust rosters with the new rookies and so forth.

    Then again, perhaps Pioli believes we're already set in some places where we thought we needed help. It's about that time for the young defensive linemen to take the next leap that we've all been waiting for. Our offensive line played better as the season went on. So perhaps the need to continue to build the lines just wasn't as pertinent as some of us were led to believe. A team only takes skill position players or return men when they're set in other places, so it says something about the Chiefs confidence in what they already have (or think they can get elsewhere) that they've grabbed Arenas and McCluster.

    The big surprise, of course, is that we didn't think we were ready for "luxury" picks yet. We still thought the Chiefs still had some pouring to do for the foundation of his Kansas City house. But apparently, he has more confidence in his coordinators to bring solid play out of some guys who are already in house (or from later round choices) to allow some picks like this.

    Either way, I like what this says about our team. It says our coordinators will raise the level of what we have. It also says the guys currently on the roster are better than you think. And it says that the Chiefs are ahead of the curve and ready to win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chief31 View Post
    I keep hearing these good things about Shaun Smith, as if he is the answer to our woefull run defense because of his and Romeo's past. So let's have a look at it...

    (Only included games in which Smith was listed as a starter and under Crennel though '07 and '08.)

    12/28/08 Steelers - 176 rushing yards.
    12/15/08 Eagles - 134
    12/07/08 Titans - 235
    11/30/08 Colts - 90
    11/17/08 Bills - 186
    11/06/08 Broncos - 123
    11/02/08 Ravens - 193
    09/28/08 Bengals - 69
    09/21/08 Ravens - 151

    2008 Average rushing yards allowed - (1357/9=) 151 RYPG

    12/30/07 Niners - 112
    12/23/07 Bengals - 155
    12/16/07 Bills - 108
    12/09/07 Jets - 119
    12/02/07 Cardinals - 133
    11/25/07 Texans - 77
    11/11/07 Steelers - 159
    11/04/07 Seahawks - 105
    10/28/07 Rams - 79
    10/14/07 Dolphins - 110
    10/07/07 Patriots - 147
    09/30/07 Ravens - 111

    (1415/12=) 118 RYPG

    Two year total (132 RYPG)

    KC 2009 RYPG - 156.5

    The 2008 average for Smith would rank at 29th in 2009. The '07 average for Smith' games would rank 20th in 2009. And his two year total would rank 27th in '09.

    By the numbers of RYPG allowed during those two seasons with Crennel, Smith wasn't exactly impressive. Slightly better than the '09 Chiefs. But not very encouraging as the saviour of our run defense.

    Maybe he was doing an outstanding job, and everyone else was horrible. Unlikely to be the case, but certainly a slim possibility. I just don't like hanging our hopes on this.
    That's a good point, I dont think he's a permanent decision but maybe the link between coach and player will help him along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryfo18 View Post
    At least we should put a few more points on the board next year. We took some reaches in my opinion, it's up to the coaching staff to mold these guys into impact players.
    I think the offense will be great but the defense need working on at NT and at certain LB spots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chief31 View Post
    I keep hearing these good things about Shaun Smith, as if he is the answer to our woefull run defense because of his and Romeo's past. So let's have a look at it...

    (Only included games in which Smith was listed as a starter and under Crennel though '07 and '08.)

    12/28/08 Steelers - 176 rushing yards.
    12/15/08 Eagles - 134
    12/07/08 Titans - 235
    11/30/08 Colts - 90
    11/17/08 Bills - 186
    11/06/08 Broncos - 123
    11/02/08 Ravens - 193
    09/28/08 Bengals - 69
    09/21/08 Ravens - 151

    2008 Average rushing yards allowed - (1357/9=) 151 RYPG

    12/30/07 Niners - 112
    12/23/07 Bengals - 155
    12/16/07 Bills - 108
    12/09/07 Jets - 119
    12/02/07 Cardinals - 133
    11/25/07 Texans - 77
    11/11/07 Steelers - 159
    11/04/07 Seahawks - 105
    10/28/07 Rams - 79
    10/14/07 Dolphins - 110
    10/07/07 Patriots - 147
    09/30/07 Ravens - 111

    (1415/12=) 118 RYPG

    Two year total (132 RYPG)

    KC 2009 RYPG - 156.5

    The 2008 average for Smith would rank at 29th in 2009. The '07 average for Smith' games would rank 20th in 2009. And his two year total would rank 27th in '09.

    By the numbers of RYPG allowed during those two seasons with Crennel, Smith wasn't exactly impressive. Slightly better than the '09 Chiefs. But not very encouraging as the saviour of our run defense.

    Maybe he was doing an outstanding job, and everyone else was horrible. Unlikely to be the case, but certainly a slim possibility. I just don't like hanging our hopes on this.
    We certainly can't put the RYPG on one man. It takes 11 guys to get the job done. Berry is known for helping stop the run but he is a DB. I am encouraged to see how well Smith does with our supporting cast. 2010 has some interesting angles to look at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by endzonewillie View Post
    We certainly can't put the RYPG on one man. It takes 11 guys to get the job done. Berry is known for helping stop the run but he is a DB. I am encouraged to see how well Smith does with our supporting cast. 2010 has some interesting angles to look at.
    Yeah. The other 2 or 3 D-lineman at Cleveland could have been really bad and Suan Smith had to get to the QB by himself, or something like that. I don't think you can compare 1 player to a team's whole season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AussieChiefsFan View Post
    Yeah. The other 2 or 3 D-lineman at Cleveland could have been really bad and Suan Smith had to get to the QB by himself, or something like that. I don't think you can compare 1 player to a team's whole season.
    The Browns have, and probably always will suck.

    Who knows, put Smith between Jackson and Dorsey, we might have something. Too early to tell...I do love the staunch criticism of the draft though. It'll be fun to see how the critics opinions live up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryfo18 View Post
    The Browns have, and probably always will suck.

    Who knows, put Smith between Jackson and Dorsey, we might have something. Too early to tell...I do love the staunch criticism of the draft though. It'll be fun to see how the critics opinions live up.
    Yeah, never been to a Superbowl. Never even been to an AFC Championship game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryfo18 View Post
    The Browns have, and probably always will suck.

    Who knows, put Smith between Jackson and Dorsey, we might have something. Too early to tell...I do love the staunch criticism of the draft though. It'll be fun to see how the critics opinions live up.
    Agreed. MAYBE.

    But it sure seems like a pretty weak line to try and anchor our ship with, a "maybe".

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    Quote Originally Posted by chief31 View Post
    Agreed. MAYBE.

    But it sure seems like a pretty weak line to try and anchor our ship with, a "maybe".
    Everyone in the draft is a "maybe" though. Past Dan Williams (who is still a maybe), is there really a NT that's gonna perform better than Smith. It's a maybe.

    Your stats do raise a terrific point. Our run D has been horrendous and we brought in a guy that has served under some pretty poor defenses in regards to stopping the run.

    I'm an optimist though. If I went through every day of my life worrying about the Chiefs needs (on top of my own), man I would be a depressed guy haha. I'll wait to see how it pans out, then criticize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryfo18 View Post
    Everyone in the draft is a "maybe" though. Past Dan Williams (who is still a maybe), is there really a NT that's gonna perform better than Smith. It's a maybe.

    Your stats do raise a terrific point. Our run D has been horrendous and we brought in a guy that has served under some pretty poor defenses in regards to stopping the run.

    I'm an optimist though. If I went through every day of my life worrying about the Chiefs needs (on top of my own), man I would be a depressed guy haha. I'll wait to see how it pans out, then criticize.
    Sure. Every player is a "maybe", to some degree.

    Just like drafting a position in the seventh round, as opposed to drafting it in the first, the variation of "maybe" is pretty important.

    Shaun Smith does not have an impressive resume in The NFL. He is really much more of a "probably not".

    And then, what if Smith doesn't turn out to be anything more than Ron Edwards, or even gets injured?

    Like I said, I just think that this is a very thin line to try and use to anchor our ship with.

    But, I am a Chiefs fan, every bit as much as any of you. So I most definitely hope that it works out, just as I hope Albert gets it turned around at LOT.

    I just see plenty of poor decisions being made, and worry that they may come back to bite us in the a**.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Connie Jo View Post
    ~stomping feet, lower lip stuck out & shaking head tantrum in progress as I type this~

    STOP! Your negativity is raining on my positive & happy day after Draft Day Party parade!

    GO CHIEFS 2010!
    YEEHAW we have ERIC BERRY!
    AMEN

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