Mock #1 1/24/2011

[stevefuller]

1st)Nate Solder-OT
This completes o-line,, as we have signed Logan Mankins-LG allowing us to slide B Waters to center.
Alberts/Mankins/Waters/Lilja/Solder

2nd)Randall Cobb-WR
This completes rebuild receiving corps, as we have, signed Santana Moss-WR to go along with D-Bowe/McCluster/Moss/Cobb/Young

3rd)Titus Young-WR
5'11" 178 sub 4.4

4th)Sione Fua-NT
5th)Brandon Fusco-C
5th)Greg Romeus-OLB
6th)Ricky Stanzi-QB
7th)Dion Lewis-RB
7th)Matt Szczur-WR

[Jrudi]

Sorry for getting off topic again...haha

I haven't been on here in a couple of days, and just wanted to post about that haha.

[brdempsey69]

So in reality a majority of the time the top 5 picks are all busts, so why does berry need to justify where he was picked when a majority of them are busts anyways.
.... and other assorted BS.

BECAUSE THEY COULD HAVE PICKED A BETTER PLAYER AT THAT SPOT...RUSSELL OKUNG...AT A MORE IMPORTANT POSITION AND GOTTEN BETTER VALUE WITH THAT PICK AS HE COULD HAVE TAKEN OVER THE LT SPOT AND ALBERT COULD HAVE BEEN MOVED TO ANOTHER SPOT AND THE O-LINE AND GOTTEN A 2-FOLD UPGRADE TO O-LINE WITH JUST ONE PICK --THAT'S WHY !!

This team has been in dire need of a bonafide replacement for Willie Roaf and Okung was definitely the guy. He already had a proven track record going against the nations best pass rushers and handling them -- one of them was Brian Orakpo in 2008, who made the Pro Bowl in his rookie season in 2009.

Plus, if Berry doesn't improve his pass coverage skills, then all they've done is spent the #5 overall pick on a Bernard Pollard clone and made that clone the highest paid Safety in NFL history. It's been proven that Safeties drafted in the top 10 is not a good investment as only the late Sean Taylor was the only one who lived up to his draft status of all the Safeties drafted in the top 10 in the last 25 years.

Tackles have the lowest bust rate of any position drafted in the top 15 in the last 18 years.

Add to that, Okung, in spite of playing hurt, played his position far better than Berry played his in 2010, even if that is apples to oranges.

And it isn't about Berry, it's about building your team from the front lines back and not the other way around.

[slc chief]

BECAUSE THEY COULD HAVE PICKED A BETTER PLAYER AT THAT SPOT...RUSSELL OKUNG...AT A MORE IMPORTANT POSITION AND GOTTEN BETTER VALUE WITH THAT PICK AS HE COULD HAVE TAKEN OVER THE LT SPOT AND ALBERT COULD HAVE BEEN MOVED TO ANOTHER SPOT AND THE O-LINE AND GOTTEN A 2-FOLD UPGRADE TO O-LINE WITH JUST ONE PICK --THAT'S WHY !!

This team has been in dire need of a bonafide replacement for Willie Roaf and Okung was definitely the guy. He already had a proven track record going against the nations best pass rushers and handling them -- one of them was Brian Orakpo in 2008, who made the Pro Bowl in his rookie season in 2009.

Plus, if Berry doesn't improve his pass coverage skills, then all they've done is spent the #5 overall pick on a Bernard Pollard clone and made that clone the highest paid Safety in NFL history. It's been proven that Safeties drafted in the top 10 is not a good investment as only the late Sean Taylor was the only one who lived up to his draft status of all the Safeties drafted in the top 10 in the last 25 years.

Tackles have the lowest bust rate of any position drafted in the top 15 in the last 18 years.

Add to that, Okung, in spite of playing hurt, played his position far better than Berry played his in 2010, even if that is apples to oranges.

And it isn't about Berry, it's about building your team from the front lines back and not the other way around.

i cant really remember any other safeties being drafted that high other than taylor.could be wrong though

[Ryfo18]

i cant really remember any other safeties being drafted that high other than taylor.could be wrong though

Taylor is the only one since 1992.

[Jrudi]

BECAUSE THEY COULD HAVE PICKED A BETTER PLAYER AT THAT SPOT...RUSSELL OKUNG...AT A MORE IMPORTANT POSITION AND GOTTEN BETTER VALUE WITH THAT PICK AS HE COULD HAVE TAKEN OVER THE LT SPOT AND ALBERT COULD HAVE BEEN MOVED TO ANOTHER SPOT AND THE O-LINE AND GOTTEN A 2-FOLD UPGRADE TO O-LINE WITH JUST ONE PICK --THAT'S WHY !!

This team has been in dire need of a bonafide replacement for Willie Roaf and Okung was definitely the guy. He already had a proven track record going against the nations best pass rushers and handling them -- one of them was Brian Orakpo in 2008, who made the Pro Bowl in his rookie season in 2009.

Plus, if Berry doesn't improve his pass coverage skills, then all they've done is spent the #5 overall pick on a Bernard Pollard clone and made that clone the highest paid Safety in NFL history. It's been proven that Safeties drafted in the top 10 is not a good investment as only the late Sean Taylor was the only one who lived up to his draft status of all the Safeties drafted in the top 10 in the last 25 years.

Tackles have the lowest bust rate of any position drafted in the top 15 in the last 18 years.

Add to that, Okung, in spite of playing hurt, played his position far better than Berry played his in 2010, even if that is apples to oranges.

And it isn't about Berry, it's about building your team from the front lines back and not the other way around.

If Okung played his position so much better than why am I finding things like this all over the internet?

NFL Gridiron Gab.com; Mid-season report card for the Seahawks and Pete Carroll:

"Sacks Allowed
2009: 41 (10th in NFL)
2010: 22 (7th in NFL)
Grade: C-
Rationale: On pace for essentially the same total as last year. That’s a double-edged sword, though. On one side, the damage isn’t on pace to get worse. The flipside? Being top-10 in sacks allowed, especially after spending the franchise’s first overall draft pick last April on an offensive lineman, is not what you’d expect."

Bleacher Report 1st round Rookie Grades:
Eric Berry-A
Okung- C

NFLSOUP.COM- End of year Rookie Rankings
Berry listed as #9; Okung not even on the list. Another Sehawk was mentioned..Earl Thomas was on this lest, and that's funny he plays safety.

Sound's to me like Okung was the savior of the Seahawks line this year...And I believe that playing an entire season should factor into considering a season is successful. I mean I sure do want my 1st round pick to spend 7 games on the bench because he was hurt, sounds like a good deal for Okung, only play 10 regular season games and get paid like a 1st rounder for the whole season!

Look, I'm not saying Okung will not be a successful player in this league I'm sure he will. I am standing up for Berry, because he didn't have the horrible season you are portraying him to have.

The fact is, we have Berry on our team, we picked him and not Okung. He is helping this team, and because I am a fan I will support him as one of our player's and not dwell on the fact that we didn't take someone else. After 3 or 4 years I will then look to see if he was worth the pick, but even as a rookie he produced nicely. They are both top 10 picks and should help their teams, to say Berry hasn't impacted this team is just ludicrous.

[Ryfo18]

It's also worth mentioning that maybe 3 of the 12 teams to make the playoffs this year have what you would call "solid" left tackles (Pats, Jets, Saints). Having a solid LT in no way translates to instant success on the field. See the Browns, Dolphins, Titans, Broncos, Panthers, Chargers, and so on.

[Jrudi]

Another thing people keep bringing up is that certain positions are more solid as top 5 picks year in and year out.

If this is the case then why do teams insists on putting an emphasis on QB's in the top 5 each year. Success rates of top 5 QB's the last 10 years don't look too impressive:

Busts:Jamarcus Russell, Vince Young, Alex Smith, David Carr, Joey Harrington

Average: Eli Manning, Mark Sanchez, Sam Bradford (lots of upside)
Average to Below Average: Carson Palmer, Matt Stafford

Elite: Phillip Rivers, Mike Vick

So out of 12 QB's pick in the top 5 over the last 10 years only 2 have reached what you could call an "Elite" status.

So are QB's really that "solid" of a position to pick in the top 5 or is it just the trend? why can they be picked in the top 5 and continue to have busts, but other positions such as safeties should be picked later?

sounds to me like we should throw that junk out the window and pick the best available "players" regardless of position.

[4everchiefsfan25]

If Okung played his position so much better than why am I finding things like this all over the internet?

NFL Gridiron Gab.com; Mid-season report card for the Seahawks and Pete Carroll:

"Sacks Allowed
2009: 41 (10th in NFL)
2010: 22 (7th in NFL)
Grade: C-
Rationale: On pace for essentially the same total as last year. That’s a double-edged sword, though. On one side, the damage isn’t on pace to get worse. The flipside? Being top-10 in sacks allowed, especially after spending the franchise’s first overall draft pick last April on an offensive lineman, is not what you’d expect."

Bleacher Report 1st round Rookie Grades:
Eric Berry-A
Okung- C

NFLSOUP.COM- End of year Rookie Rankings
Berry listed as #9; Okung not even on the list. Another Sehawk was mentioned..Earl Thomas was on this lest, and that's funny he plays safety.

Sound's to me like Okung was the savior of the Seahawks line this year...And I believe that playing an entire season should factor into considering a season is successful. I mean I sure do want my 1st round pick to spend 7 games on the bench because he was hurt, sounds like a good deal for Okung, only play 10 regular season games and get paid like a 1st rounder for the whole season!

Look, I'm not saying Okung will not be a successful player in this league I'm sure he will. I am standing up for Berry, because he didn't have the horrible season you are portraying him to have.

The fact is, we have Berry on our team, we picked him and not Okung. He is helping this team, and because I am a fan I will support him as one of our player's and not dwell on the fact that we didn't take someone else. After 3 or 4 years I will then look to see if he was worth the pick, but even as a rookie he produced nicely. They are both top 10 picks and should help their teams, to say Berry hasn't impacted this team is just ludicrous.

I know you guys are talking about Okung and Berry but NFLsoup.com has Earl Thomas ahead of Berry? I think Berry is better than Earl Thomas I dont see how they have him ahead of Berry.

[4everchiefsfan25]

Another thing people keep bringing up is that certain positions are more solid as top 5 picks year in and year out.

If this is the case then why do teams insists on putting an emphasis on QB's in the top 5 each year. Success rates of top 5 QB's the last 10 years don't look too impressive:

Busts:Jamarcus Russell, Vince Young, Alex Smith, David Carr, Joey Harrington

Average: Eli Manning, Mark Sanchez, Sam Bradford (lots of upside)
Average to Below Average: Carson Palmer, Matt Stafford

Elite: Phillip Rivers, Mike Vick

So out of 12 QB's pick in the top 5 over the last 10 years only 2 have reached what you could call an "Elite" status.

So are QB's really that "solid" of a position to pick in the top 5 or is it just the trend? why can they be picked in the top 5 and continue to have busts, but other positions such as safeties should be picked later?

sounds to me like we should throw that junk out the window and pick the best available "players" regardless of position.

IMO I can't really call Matt Stafford a bust yet because the last 2 years he has gotten hurt and wasn't able to perform. Now if he gets hurt again next year then ya I will say he is a bust but right now I would like to see his skills without him getting hurt before I call him a bust. Carson Palmer IMO had a few good years when the Bengals wernt falling apart, but right now Palmer isnt playing well at all and I think thats more because the Bengals dont know their identity on offense.

[Jrudi]

I know you guys are talking about Okung and Berry but NFLsoup.com has Earl Thomas ahead of Berry? I think Berry is better than Earl Thomas I dont see how they have him ahead of Berry.

I saw that too and didn't agree. Berry's stats were even better than Thomas's.

I just used the site as a resource for my argument...