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    Default "Official" Kansas City Chiefs at New England Patriots Game Day Th

    VS.
    Kansas City Chiefs (4-5) vs. New England Patriots )6-3)
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    Gillette Stadium, Foxboro, Massachusetts
    7:30pm CT

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    Watch online: ESPN Live Stream Online

    Line: Pats by 17 Over/Under: 46.5

    2011 reg. season trends:
    The Chiefs are 5-4 ATS.The Chiefs are 3-1 ATS away.The Chiefs are 5-1 ATS as the underdog.The Chiefs are 3-1 ATS as an away underdog.The Patriots are 5-4 ATS.The Patriots are 2-2 ATS at home.The Patriots are 4-4 ATS as the favorite.The Patriots are 2-2 ATS as a home favorite.
    Kansas City Leaders
    Passing: Cassel - 160-269, 1713 yds, 10 tds
    Rushing: Battle - 87 car, 403 yds, 1 td
    Receiving: Bowe - 41 rec, 663 yds, 4 tds


    New England Leaders
    Passing: Brady - 238-360, 3032 yds, 23 tds
    Rushing: Green-Ellis - 116 car, 460 yds, 5 tds
    Receiving: Welker - 72 rec, 1006 yds, 6 tds


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    From general manager Scott Pioli and defensive coordinator Romeo Crennel to injured quarterback Matt Cassel, the Kansas City Chiefs have plenty of connections to the New England Patriots.
    On-field success isn't currently one of them.

    Coming off a critical road victory that left them alone atop the AFC East, the Patriots return to Foxborough on Monday night to face a reeling Chiefs team that will have unproven Tyler Palko under center.

    As Bill Belichick's czar of player personnel, Pioli helped build the Patriots (6-3) into a powerhouse last decade before coming to Kansas City in 2009.

    Pioli traded for Cassel -- who emerged in 2008 with New England after then-Chiefs safety Bernard Pollard ended Tom Brady's season with a hit to his knee in the season opener -- and prior to 2010, hired Crennel, New England's defensive coordinator during its run of three Super Bowl victories in four seasons.

    Cassel had a Pro Bowl season in 2010 and Kansas City rode an improved defense under Crennel to a surprising AFC West title, but a repeat playoff berth is looking unlikely. After bouncing back from an 0-3 start with four straight wins, the Chiefs were outscored 48-13 in consecutive home losses to Miami and Denver.

    To make matters worse, Cassel suffered what coach Todd Haley called a "significant" hand injury in last Sunday's 17-10 loss to the Broncos and could miss the remainder of the season after undergoing surgery Monday.

    Palko, who's thrown 13 NFL passes -- 26 fewer than Cassel had when he took over for Brady in 2008 -- will be under center for the foreseeable future.

    "Tyler is the next in line, and he's done a terrific job, like I said, of keeping himself ready," Haley said. "That's what the No. 2 quarterback has to do, because you don't know. At a moment's notice, you could be in there playing, just like any other position."

    Despite having been outscored 157-40 in their losses, the Chiefs (4-5) are still just a game out in the West.

    The Patriots, meanwhile, have first place in the East all to themselves -- a reality that was tough to imagine after back-to-back losses to Pittsburgh and the New York Giants left them tied with Buffalo and the New York Jets.

    Facing the possibility of the franchise's first three-game skid in a decade, New England responded last Sunday night as Brady threw for 329 yards and three touchdowns in a 37-16 victory over the Jets.

    "No matter what happened last week, whether we won, lost, at home or on the road or in London, it doesn't matter. Once that game is over we have to put it behind us," Belichick said. "Now it's about preparing for Kansas City, what they do, what their schemes are, what their players are, what their tendencies are in certain coaching decision situations that we'll have to make."

    This will be the first time Brady has faced the Chiefs since the 2008 opener, and only his second meeting against Crennel. Brady threw for 265 yards and three TDs in a 34-17 win over Cleveland in 2007, when Crennel was the Browns head coach.

    "It's a very good group and because they're very well coached they're rarely in a bad position," Brady said of a Chiefs team that ranks 22nd in total defense allowing 364.3 yards per game. "In order to make plays, you have to run good routes, you have to make good throws, you have to pass protect against one of the best pass rushers that we face in (Tamba) Hali."

    Hali has six of Kansas City's league-low nine sacks, but even if the Chiefs can get outside pressure, Brady should be able to find his tight ends. Rob Gronkowski has 16 catches for 214 yards and three TDs the past two weeks, while Aaron Hernandez remains another of Brady's favorite targets.

    While the ability of the Patriots' offense to score has rarely been in question, the NFL's lowest-ranked defense's chances of stopping anyone certainly were before facing the Jets.

    But New England's front constantly pressured Mark Sanchez -- defensive end Andre Carter had four sacks -- and helped take some of the heat off a makeshift secondary.

    That unit, however, will likely be without its top player for a few games. Cornerback Devin McCourty suffered a right shoulder injury against the Jets and could miss a few weeks, while safety Patrick Chung is questionable after sitting out last Sunday with a foot injury.

    Those injuries could leave the Patriots with few answers against Chiefs wideout Dwayne Bowe, whose 19 receiving TDs since the start of 2010 trail only Detroit's Calvin Johnson (23).

    Bowe, however, has gone four games without finding the end zone, a drought that could continue with the inexperienced Palko taking the snaps.

    That's not something Belichick is counting on.
    "I think that Palko can do everything that he needs to do from what Matt has done," he said. "I wouldn't expect them to deviate too far from what they like to do."

    The Patriots, who have won four straight against the Chiefs in Foxborough, are trying to avoid their first consecutive home losses with Brady under center since November 2006.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chief31 View Post

    How can we know that he's no good, after one game?

    Are you serious?

    Fine bring the kid in, so we can cut him too.

    The main reason that I want him in isn't because Palko is so bad. It's because this season has clearly been a lost one. The injuries, lockout,Lack of having a good head coach IMO all have hurt. It's time like these you need to see what your rookie class has and whos going to be a long term player. The best way to do that with Stanzi is to let him play. Maybe he is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tornadospotter View Post
    Well I think we can win every game, but did not expect we would this game. But I for one kinda like what I am seeing in Plako even with the int's. I am seeing a potential playmaker QB. But as always time tells the tale.
    No, no. Less than one full game is all the time anybody should need to determine the entire career of a QB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matthewschiefs View Post
    The main reason that I want him in isn't because Palko is so bad. It's because this season has clearly been a lost one. The injuries, lockout,Lack of having a good head coach IMO all have hurt. It's time like these you need to see what your rookie class has and whos going to be a long term player. The best way to do that with Stanzi is to let him play. Maybe he is.

    I desperately hope that Stanzi doesn't see the field this season, because with the way we determine QBs careers in such a hurry, he will be history by the time his second possession is over.

    Talk about your knee-jerk reactions....

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    Quote Originally Posted by chief31 View Post
    No, no. Less than one full game is all the time anybody should need to determine the entire career of a QB.
    Yes but he did have a full week of practice to prepare to play with a new set of playes, as the number one.

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    Take cover INCOMING!

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    Quote Originally Posted by matthewschiefs View Post
    It's time like these you need to see what your rookie class has and whos going to be a long term player. The best way to do that with Stanzi is to let him play. Maybe he is.
    How come you are so eager to see what Stanzi can do, but you couldn't care less what Palko can do? Both players are on the team. You need to give Palko more than one game to evauate his talent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matthewschiefs View Post
    The main reason that I want him in isn't because Palko is so bad. It's because this season has clearly been a lost one. The injuries, lockout,Lack of having a good head coach IMO all have hurt. It's time like these you need to see what your rookie class has and whos going to be a long term player. The best way to do that with Stanzi is to let him play. Maybe he is.
    The problem with throwing Stanzi in right now, is that he has spent the whole season as the third string QB. That means he has been getting 3rd string practice. Which means he probably has played very little with the starters, IF he got ANY snaps at all before Cassel was hurt. As the third stringer, it means he also was getting the least amount of attention from the coaching staff. I honestly feel like he would not be prepared to run an offense for a couple weeks. Any ability he actually does have would be masked by his inexperience even in practice. You basically would be seeing what raw talent he had out of college, which we already saw in the preseason.

    I say give Palko the start for a couple weeks at least. He knows the offense the best. In practice give them almost equal share of the snaps. Once you are convinced that Stanzi knows the offense and the players abilities/speed, then maybe give him the reigns for a couple of weeks.

    Yes, I know I was on the "start Stanzi now" bandwagon initially, and I will admit that I was wrong after thinking about it a little more.
    Last edited by jap1; 11-21-2011 at 11:33 PM.

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    here comes another pass

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopekaRoy View Post
    How come you are so eager to see what Stanzi can do, but you couldn't care less what Palko can do? Both players are on the team. You need to give Palko more than one game to evauate his talent.
    The reason is why we brought guys in. Palko was brought in to be a backup. Stanzi was brought in to devolpe and possibley be a qb for us long term. To me that's a big reason why at some point we need to see what Stanzi can do.
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    wow really the biggest reason i dont like Billthechick

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