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    In the third year of the Pioli/Haley era, one would think KC would be maybe 3/4 of the way to building a championship team, and getting to the playoffs last year gave me a lot of hope. But now this team is going in the wrong direction.
    Many on here will blame injuries. I disagree. Good teams overcome injuries. Good teams draft depth. Both our offensive and defensive lines are horrible. Just flat out bad. There is no excuse for this. None.
    I posted 3 years ago that this team needed to build from inside out - build the lines first. I got shot down.
    So who is accountable for this mess? Clark? Pioli? Haley?
    With over 30 million in cap room, why couldn't we make some strides on getting our lines fixed?
    WHY?
    Why are we still trying to squeeze 4/3 players into a 3/4 defense?
    WHY?
    I'm not sure who is making the decisions on this team regarding player personnel, coaches, and philosophy, but whoever it is - is failing. Time to re-evaluate.
    SHUT IT

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    I agree with you for the most part man, but Im not putting injuries on the management and I think this season is an exception to most as far as overcoming injuries. There have been a significant number of season injuries across the league but they have hit the Chiefs especially hard. Take you your starting RB, up and coming starting TE, Starting Safety, Starting QB, Starting DT. There are only so many quality players available to fill those spots. (although spending some of that $33 million would help) I cant however make an excuse for the fact that they arent just losing, but they are getting blown out!! 41-7, 48-3, 31-3 ( Scores of Buf, Det and Mia) Sh!tty teams are killing us. Someone up front needs to get their sh!t together and make something happen or get out of the way for someone who can!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canada View Post
    I agree with you for the most part man, but Im not putting injuries on the management and I think this season is an exception to most as far as overcoming injuries. There have been a significant number of season injuries across the league but they have hit the Chiefs especially hard. Take you your starting RB, up and coming starting TE, Starting Safety, Starting QB, Starting DT. There are only so many quality players available to fill those spots. (although spending some of that $33 million would help) I cant however make an excuse for the fact that they arent just losing, but they are getting blown out!! 41-7, 48-3, 31-3 ( Scores of Buf, Det and Mia) Sh!tty teams are killing us. Someone up front needs to get their sh!t together and make something happen or get out of the way for someone who can!!
    This is spot on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AussieChiefsFan View Post
    This is spot on!
    I agree Bike and Canada. As I have said everytime I write on this subject, I am not ready to ask for Pioli and Haley's heads yet, but there needs to be some public expression of Hunts disapproval at how this train is going down hill with no brakes and there's a hairpin at the bottom and it is on Haley and Pioli to get this thing turned around fast. Not 3 years from now, but like by end of the season tangible improvement kind of thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canada View Post
    I agree with you for the most part man, but Im not putting injuries on the management and I think this season is an exception to most as far as overcoming injuries. There have been a significant number of season injuries across the league but they have hit the Chiefs especially hard. Take you your starting RB, up and coming starting TE, Starting Safety, Starting QB, Starting DT. There are only so many quality players available to fill those spots. (although spending some of that $33 million would help) I cant however make an excuse for the fact that they arent just losing, but they are getting blown out!! 41-7, 48-3, 31-3 ( Scores of Buf, Det and Mia) Sh!tty teams are killing us. Someone up front needs to get their sh!t together and make something happen or get out of the way for someone who can!!

    good post, but I think the loss to Denver was most embarrassing...I know we didn't get blown out, but they only completed TWO passes!!!! at some point you have to stop the run, and make some plays on offense, but we just didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canada View Post
    I agree with you for the most part man, but Im not putting injuries on the management and I think this season is an exception to most as far as overcoming injuries. There have been a significant number of season injuries across the league but they have hit the Chiefs especially hard. Take you your starting RB, up and coming starting TE, Starting Safety, Starting QB, Starting DT. There are only so many quality players available to fill those spots. (although spending some of that $33 million would help) I cant however make an excuse for the fact that they arent just losing, but they are getting blown out!! 41-7, 48-3, 31-3 ( Scores of Buf, Det and Mia) Sh!tty teams are killing us. Someone up front needs to get their sh!t together and make something happen or get out of the way for someone who can!!
    Good post man. We don't have to go back too far to see how good teams cope with injuries. Last year, Green Bay was devastated with injuries. They lost their starting TE, starting RB, starting RT (sound familiar?), starting SS, both starting ML's, and their starting OLB. And all they did was win the superbowl. Now, I'm not saying that we should be where GB is at this point, but damn, we are getting slaughtered - at home. Something is wrong at One Arrowhead Drive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bike View Post
    In the third year of the Pioli/Haley era, one would think KC would be maybe 3/4 of the way to building a championship team, and getting to the playoffs last year gave me a lot of hope. But now this team is going in the wrong direction.
    Many on here will blame injuries. I disagree. Good teams overcome injuries. Good teams draft depth. Both our offensive and defensive lines are horrible. Just flat out bad. There is no excuse for this. None.
    I posted 3 years ago that this team needed to build from inside out - build the lines first. I got shot down.
    So who is accountable for this mess? Clark? Pioli? Haley?
    With over 30 million in cap room, why couldn't we make some strides on getting our lines fixed?
    WHY?
    Why are we still trying to squeeze 4/3 players into a 3/4 defense?
    WHY?
    I'm not sure who is making the decisions on this team regarding player personnel, coaches, and philosophy, but whoever it is - is failing. Time to re-evaluate.
    Let me start by addressing the issue of injuries.

    Yes, a good team like The Packers can succeed with less significant player losses.

    Their offense revolves around the QB and the passing game. Losing an insignificant RB will hardly decimate the offense.

    Let's also keep in mind that that team was pretty well assembled when their minor rebuild started, several seasons before.

    Basically, if The Packers' depth should be so tested at the most important position of their most successful aspect, meaning QB, then I assure you the outcome will be quite different.

    Our offense revolves around Jammal Charles, and our running game. Losing Charles for the season is much more akin to The Colts losing Manning, then The Packers losing a RB.

    And Eric Berry isn't just an unnamed LB. He was a Superstar of our defense, and set to improve.

    Take Charles Woodson and Aaron Rodgers away from The Packers, plus some other key starters , then come and make a comparison. But, even then, The Packers are a team who has been far more filled-in as far as depth goes. So, while they will finish last in that scenario, their depth should mean that they would still be competitive.

    The Chiefs are in the third season of a major rebuild, and have lost the best players they have on the team.

    While I am nowhere near saying that I am impressed with anything, so far. I just don't agree that this team should be much better than they are at this point.

    By next season, with another offseason to build, and a return of the most important players, I would agree that depth should be far better.

    But not so good as to sustain the kind of losses we have had to this point in 2011.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bike View Post
    I posted 3 years ago that this team needed to build from inside out - build the lines first. I got shot down.
    Really? You had no support for that idea?

    Myself, and about half of the other members of this site have ALWAYS been in favor of building in the trenches first.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bike View Post
    With over 30 million in cap room, why couldn't we make some strides on getting our lines fixed?
    WHY?
    While I agree with this, in principal, I can't pretend like there hasn't been some work done to improve both lines. We have drafted an OG a C, and acquired OG Ryan Lilja.

    And the D-line had a third, overall pick used, to accompany a fifth overall pick, and have two other draft picks from 2011.

    How successful they have been in improving it, and rather or not the correct positions have been addressed, is arguable.

    But there has been some work done.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bike View Post
    Why are we still trying to squeeze 4/3 players into a 3/4 defense?
    WHY?
    Because we still have other holes to fill. We are quite thin at several positions. So filling the team in is going to come ahead of replacing guys who really haven't been too bad.

    I basically agree with the specifics. But I disagree that we are ready to start over and try something new, only to expect another three years before bearing any fruit
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    Pioli should stay. Haley needs to go. In fact, outside of Crennel, the entire coaching staff should be overhauled. Pioli just needs to make sure the coaches he hires and the schemes they want to implement are conducive to the current player's ability. Pioli shouldn't be given the green light for another rebuild if they've decided the current rebuild attempt is a failure. A coaching turnover shouldn't require a rebuild.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texaschief View Post
    Pioli should stay. Haley needs to go. In fact, outside of Crennel, the entire coaching staff should be overhauled. Pioli just needs to make sure the coaches he hires and the schemes they want to implement are conducive to the current player's ability. Pioli shouldn't be given the green light for another rebuild if they've decided the current rebuild attempt is a failure. A coaching turnover shouldn't require a rebuild.
    A coaching change wouldn't necessarily require a rebuild, but it does screw things up a bit at first, I would think, as a new head coach will bring his guys in for assistants, and start to implement his ideas for Offense/Defense.

    Mind you, I'm not saying it's a bad idea to replace Haley, but he has one year left of his contract, and I don't see him going anywhere.

    Haley's no Schottenheimer, but then... he's no Frank Ganz either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texaschief View Post
    Pioli should stay. Haley needs to go. In fact, outside of Crennel, the entire coaching staff should be overhauled. Pioli just needs to make sure the coaches he hires and the schemes they want to implement are conducive to the current player's ability. Pioli shouldn't be given the green light for another rebuild if they've decided the current rebuild attempt is a failure. A coaching turnover shouldn't require a rebuild.
    Why outside of Crennel? Teams have been hanging some major points up on this defense. Wouldn't he be accountable, just like the other failings of this
    Staff? Or are you thinking his defense is tired from all of our offense's inability to sustain a drive and keep them off the field? Just trying to understand why he gets a pass...

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