I don't want RGIII and no I'm not crazy

[figcrostic]

Despite how many people on this board are saying the NFL is moving toward mobile qb's lets look at the facts

1) The current best teams in the NFL: Packers, Patriots, Saints, Forty Niners, and the Steelers not one of them has a RG3 qb, some of them like Aaron Rodgers or Ben Rothlesberger might be good at avoiding a sack but are hardly speedy qb's

2) Mobile QB's get injured more: Michael Vick has been injured in college, he was injured last year, and once again he's injured. RGIII missed almost a whole season due to an injury even Cam Newton who is a huge man much bigger and stronger then both Vick and RGIII hurt his ankle his sophmore year even the superman Tebow broke his fibula in college.

3) RGIII doesn't have the size He's 6"1 1/2 and only 220 pounds which I think he's closer to 200-210 range

4) In the NFL he will not be the best athlete like he is playing for Baylor.

I really see this guy coming out and being somewhere between Pat White-Michael Vick he has a lot of talent athletically but I don't see him making the hard throws. Lets face it he played on a team that used his talents well and he rarely got sacked if he played for the Chiefs which I don't think he will he will be getting barraged every play and I see a lot of bad decisions. My vote is Landry Jones he plays in an NFL style offense already, he makes very quick decsions, he plays in a tougher division then RGIII, and he has that NFL caliber arm and accuracy.

[Jrudi]

Did you not read Ryfo18's post:

I agree to some extent, but what has that done for the Dolphins (Jake Long), the Seahawks (Russell Okung, who's always hurt), the Browns (Joe Thomas), the Redskins (Trent Williams), the Panthers (Jordan Gross)...

One thing all of those teams are missing is a franchise QB. We can argue if Cassel is that or not, but I say there is a lot of room for improvement, and he's definitely not a guy that I'd be so confident in that I wouldn't hesitate to draft another guy like RGIII, Barkley, or Jones in the first round.

Simply put, the league is a quarterback first league. If you have one, you're pretty set to compete year in and year out. If you don't, well you're not.

Left tackle can be put on standby if the right quarterback is there in the draft, and you're picking early (which we will be). And this year's draft is certainly a deep QB draft. The same cannot be said for tackles.

If the Chiefs should choose to move down in the draft, while acquiring another first round pick, and taking a tackle and other position of need in the first round, I would not fault them if they think Cassel is the guy. That said, I still think it's foolish to pass on an RGIII talent if he's there.

Final food for thought, I always fall back to Profootballfocus (I wish I had the ability to watch every game and make these judgements myself)...Here are the top 15 rated LT's this year:

1.) Jason Peters, PHI
2.) Michael Roos, TEN
3.) Eugene Monroe, JAC
4.) Joe Thomas, CLE
5.) Donald Penn, TB
6.) Jordan Gross, CAR
7.) Jermon Bushrod, NO
8.) D'Brickashaw Ferguson, NYJ
9.) Duane Brown, HOU
10.) Andrew Whitworth, CIN
11.) Jake Long, MIA
12.) Trent Williams, WAS
13.) Branden Albert, KC
14.) Matt Light, NE
15.) Doug Free, DAL

Out of the top 5, 1 plays on a perrenial contender (Peters), and that team is not even in the hunt this year. Of the top 10, 7-10 are all in the hunt for the playoffs.

I just don't see, and never have seen, a strong correlation between stud LT's and team performance. On the other hand, you see pretty much the same quarterbacks in the mix for a Super Bowl year in and year out.

Basically: How well are all of those other team that draft LT high and don't have a franchise QB doing?

[Jrudi]

Forgot to mention....

If you didn't notice Albert is rated as the 13th best LT.... Is it really the weak spot on our line? or is it and undersized and old Lilja and Weiggmann? and a sub par Barry Richardson?

I just really don't think Albert is as bad as he is made out to be.

[figcrostic]

Forgot to mention....

If you didn't notice Albert is rated as the 13th best LT.... Is it really the weak spot on our line? or is it and undersized and old Lilja and Weiggmann? and a sub par Barry Richardson?

I just really don't think Albert is as bad as he is made out to be.

He's not bad, but he's not elite..... centers and guards are easier to replace then LT's.

[figcrostic]

Did you not read Ryfo18's post:

I agree to some extent, but what has that done for the Dolphins (Jake Long), the Seahawks (Russell Okung, who's always hurt), the Browns (Joe Thomas), the Redskins (Trent Williams), the Panthers (Jordan Gross)...

One thing all of those teams are missing is a franchise QB. We can argue if Cassel is that or not, but I say there is a lot of room for improvement, and he's definitely not a guy that I'd be so confident in that I wouldn't hesitate to draft another guy like RGIII, Barkley, or Jones in the first round.

Simply put, the league is a quarterback first league. If you have one, you're pretty set to compete year in and year out. If you don't, well you're not.

Left tackle can be put on standby if the right quarterback is there in the draft, and you're picking early (which we will be). And this year's draft is certainly a deep QB draft. The same cannot be said for tackles.

If the Chiefs should choose to move down in the draft, while acquiring another first round pick, and taking a tackle and other position of need in the first round, I would not fault them if they think Cassel is the guy. That said, I still think it's foolish to pass on an RGIII talent if he's there.

Final food for thought, I always fall back to Profootballfocus (I wish I had the ability to watch every game and make these judgements myself)...Here are the top 15 rated LT's this year:

1.) Jason Peters, PHI
2.) Michael Roos, TEN
3.) Eugene Monroe, JAC
4.) Joe Thomas, CLE
5.) Donald Penn, TB
6.) Jordan Gross, CAR
7.) Jermon Bushrod, NO
8.) D'Brickashaw Ferguson, NYJ
9.) Duane Brown, HOU
10.) Andrew Whitworth, CIN
11.) Jake Long, MIA
12.) Trent Williams, WAS
13.) Branden Albert, KC
14.) Matt Light, NE
15.) Doug Free, DAL

Out of the top 5, 1 plays on a perrenial contender (Peters), and that team is not even in the hunt this year. Of the top 10, 7-10 are all in the hunt for the playoffs.

I just don't see, and never have seen, a strong correlation between stud LT's and team performance. On the other hand, you see pretty much the same quarterbacks in the mix for a Super Bowl year in and year out.

Basically: How well are all of those other team that draft LT high and don't have a franchise QB doing?

still doing better then the teams that drafted a safety that everyone said would be hurt because of his playing style.

[N TX Dave]

Some of RGII stats they are pretty impressive to me. The Baylor opponents are their defense averages. So he beat every stat except ints.

(Per game) Comp. Att. Yds. TD Int. Comp% YPA TD% INT% Pass. Eff. 10+ 20+ 30+ 40+
Robert Griffin, III (Baylor)22.5 31.6 339.4 3.0 0.5 71.3% 10.7 9.5% 1.7% 189.2 13.0 5.4 3.1 1.9
Baylor opponents 21.2 35.6 249.6 1.6 1.1 59.6% 7.04. 6% 3.0% 127.7 9.5 3.3 1.5 0.7

Go here and look

[70 chiefsfan70]

Forgot to mention....

If you didn't notice Albert is rated as the 13th best LT.... Is it really the weak spot on our line? or is it and undersized and old Lilja and Weiggmann? and a sub par Barry Richardson?

I just really don't think Albert is as bad as he is made out to be.

I don't believe Albert is doing that bad, its our qb's that make our ol look this bad(except for Richardson) he just is bad.Our OL looks better with Palko then it did with Cassel.

This is where RG3 would make them look real good, if we fix the rt spot.

[Three7s]

I'd say RGIII's upside is Michael Vick/Steve Young/Randall Cunningham. His downside is probably Tavaris Jackson or Vince Young. I think I'd rather have Barkley, but having a pure playmaker at QB is something that we've never experienced. Could be interesting.

[Jrudi]

still doing better then the teams that drafted a safety that everyone said would be hurt because of his playing style.

Then sounds to me like you're rooting for the wrong team. I've never understood people who claim to be fans and then all they do is bash the team.

also the records of the teams mentioned in Ryfo's post That drafted the franchise LT:

Miami: 4-9
Cleveland: 4-9
Washington: 4-9
Browns: 4-9
Seahawks: 6-7 (The one exception that has a better record than us right now, they play well at home, and have a great run game)
Panthers: 4-9 (If Newton had the Chiefs Core Group the panthers would be much better, he is playing with little to no help on either side of the ball)

Now lets look at the teams who have recently drafted a franchis QB:

Packers: 13-0
Steelers: 10-3
Ravens: 10-3
Lions: 8-5
Jets: 8-5
Giants: 7-6
Bengals: 7-6
Falcons: 8-5

Now there are a few exceptions such as St. Louis, The Vikings, and Carolina who have lower records, but the fact of the matter is that none of those teams have the talent at the offensive skill positions or a defensive unit that is as good as the Chiefs currently have. These QB's are being forced to basically work with nothing.

Just saying, you can look across the league and all of the teams that are contending year after year, all have answers at the QB position, and have talent at that position.

[SIC J]

still doing better then the teams that drafted a safety that everyone said would be hurt because of his playing style.

The way he got hurt and what he hurt had nothing to do with this "playing style".

[GoHardorGoHome]

Then sounds to me like you're rooting for the wrong team. I've never understood people who claim to be fans and then all they do is bash the team.

also the records of the teams mentioned in Ryfo's post That drafted the franchise LT:

Miami: 4-9
Cleveland: 4-9
Washington: 4-9
Browns: 4-9
Seahawks: 6-7 (The one exception that has a better record than us right now, they play well at home, and have a great run game)
Panthers: 4-9 (If Newton had the Chiefs Core Group the panthers would be much better, he is playing with little to no help on either side of the ball)

Now lets look at the teams who have recently drafted a franchis QB:

Packers: 13-0
Steelers: 10-3
Ravens: 10-3
Lions: 8-5
Jets: 8-5
Giants: 7-6
Bengals: 7-6
Falcons: 8-5

Now there are a few exceptions such as St. Louis, The Vikings, and Carolina who have lower records, but the fact of the matter is that none of those teams have the talent at the offensive skill positions or a defensive unit that is as good as the Chiefs currently have. These QB's are being forced to basically work with nothing.

Just saying, you can look across the league and all of the teams that are contending year after year, all have answers at the QB position, and have talent at that position.

The way he got hurt and what he hurt had nothing to do with this "playing style".

Very true guys.

Man, Berry is a beast. I was there opening day and it was so hard to watch him get hurt. I played safety in H.S. Real Talk, He's the next Ed Reed. No doubt it crushed us to lose him, even more so than Charles imho. Pro Bowl his first season? Really? And leading tackler? hmmm.