QB challenge 2012 edition

**figcrostic** · 01-02-2012, 12:05 PM

Career stats
Cassel 59% 11,699 yards 76td's 45int 169.6 ypg 82.5 rate passes 20+ yards 139 40+ yards 23
Orton 58.3% 14,532 yards 80td's 50int 204.7pg 79.4 rate passes 20+ yards 174 40+ yards 31

Last 3 games
Cassel 52.4 607 yards 2td's 2int 202 ypg rate 69.4 sks 12
Orton 60.8% 779 yards 1td 2int 260 ypg 81.1 rate sks 1

Against the same opponents as a Chief 2011/12 season
(Denver and Raiders)
Cassel 48.2% 254 yards 1td 2int 52.4 rate 2sks 1 win
Orton 55% 480 yards 1td 2int 71 rate 1sks 1 win

This is a lot of work so if anyone wants to help out I'm all for it, I'm going to next look at how they both performed against top 5 pass defenses but I have some things to do today, so It might take awhile.

**Chiefster** · 01-02-2012, 12:39 PM

They're pretty even, had Cassel not gotten hurt he may have been on pace with Orton with the INT's, however, by the same token Orton did not play all season either.

**chief31** · 01-02-2012, 12:58 PM

The biggest difference between the two situation, as Chiefs in 2011, is the timing of their experiences.

Cassel had his time coming of the shortened preseason, with a first time OC, and an O-line shake-up. Then there was the the loss of Jamaal Charles, whom the offense was designed around.

Not that the offense ever really got it together while he was there, but it is the fact that he was dealing with it all when it was fresh.

Orton, while having to come into the situation late in the year in not an advantage in itself, did benefit by playing with an offense that had been dealing with those issues for most of the year, worked out some of the kinks, and the O-line had most of a season of working together.

I think Kyle performed better.

I am just unsure of how much of that was Kyle, and how much was due to an O-line with more time together, a leash being removed from the play-calling, and a situation where Tyler Palko made things look even worse.

I think both guys have a very high ceiling. And I will be happy to see either at QB in 2012, but even happier if we force them both into a direct competition for it.

**Bike** · 01-02-2012, 01:13 PM

Looks like we got a couple "average" qb's to fight it out in training camp next year. Orton will probably win the position - if he stays.

**fairladyZ** · 01-02-2012, 02:12 PM

It was pretty obvious yesterday. 1st quarter we came out with playcalling that kept the broncos on their heels and orton was able to just march down the field... After that the play calling went back to being predictable and we weren't able to do jack after that.
It went to the same playcalling that cassel was dealt with all year. We have GOT to get away from running vanilla predictable offenses and cassel will shine, just like he did against the niners, seahawks, titans last year.

After ortons comments i don't think he will come back i think he will request a trade. Which is fine with me i think cassel is a better QB for this team and atleast we can now get something for orton.

ortons postgame comments:
"I don't know," Orton said when asked whether he thought he would return next season. "I'm going to step away. I know they've got a great quarterback in Matt Cassel. Matt's a good friend, he's a great teammate, and he's a great quarterback. As I look at it, it's his team. We'll see what happens."

**Chiefster** · 01-02-2012, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by chief31

The biggest difference between the two situation, as Chiefs in 2011, is the timing of their experiences.

Cassel had his time coming of the shortened preseason, with a first time OC, and an O-line shake-up. Then there was the the loss of Jamaal Charles, whom the offense was designed around.

Not that the offense ever really got it together while he was there, but it is the fact that he was dealing with it all when it was fresh.

Orton, while having to come into the situation late in the year in not an advantage in itself, did benefit by playing with an offense that had been dealing with those issues for most of the year, worked out some of the kinks, and the O-line had most of a season of working together.

I think Kyle performed better.

I am just unsure of how much of that was Kyle, and how much was due to an O-line with more time together, a leash being removed from the play-calling, and a situation where Tyler Palko made things look even worse.

I think both guys have a very high ceiling. And I will be happy to see either at QB in 2012, but even happier if we force them both into a direct competition for it.

...Absolutely THIS!

**N TX Dave** · 01-02-2012, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by fairladyZ

After ortons comments i don't think he will come back i think he will request a trade. Which is fine with me i think cassel is a better QB for this team and atleast we can now get something for orton."

Orton does not have to ask for a trade he is a free agent now.

**fairladyZ** · 01-02-2012, 02:51 PM

i thought he was a restricted free agent? oh well either way i don't think he will be here.. i think he will want to go somewhere where he can almost certainly get the starting postion. Like Miami, seattle, jacksonville, buffalo. I think he knows he'll get beat out by cassel if it's a competition.

**AkChief49** · 01-02-2012, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by chief31

The biggest difference between the two situation, as Chiefs in 2011, is the timing of their experiences.

Cassel had his time coming of the shortened preseason, with a first time OC, and an O-line shake-up. Then there was the the loss of Jamaal Charles, whom the offense was designed around.

Not that the offense ever really got it together while he was there, but it is the fact that he was dealing with it all when it was fresh.

Orton, while having to come into the situation late in the year in not an advantage in itself, did benefit by playing with an offense that had been dealing with those issues for most of the year, worked out some of the kinks, and the O-line had most of a season of working together.

I think Kyle performed better.

I am just unsure of how much of that was Kyle, and how much was due to an O-line with more time together, a leash being removed from the play-calling, and a situation where Tyler Palko made things look even worse.

I think both guys have a very high ceiling. And I will be happy to see either at QB in 2012, but even happier if we force them both into a direct competition for it.

Orton may not want to deal with a competition. He's been through two QB controversies already. He wants to start.
I still say that Orton is the better play action QB. They are fairly equal in all stats.
I'm all for the competition, just do not think Orton is.

**okikcfan** · 01-02-2012, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by fairladyZ

It was pretty obvious yesterday. 1st quarter we came out with playcalling that kept the broncos on their heels and orton was able to just march down the field... After that the play calling went back to being predictable and we weren't able to do jack after that.
It went to the same playcalling that cassel was dealt with all year. We have GOT to get away from running vanilla predictable offenses and cassel will shine, just like he did against the niners, seahawks, titans last year.

After ortons comments i don't think he will come back i think he will request a trade. Which is fine with me i think cassel is a better QB for this team and atleast we can now get something for orton.

ortons postgame comments:
"I don't know," Orton said when asked whether he thought he would return next season. "I'm going to step away. I know they've got a great quarterback in Matt Cassel. Matt's a good friend, he's a great teammate, and he's a great quarterback. As I look at it, it's his team. We'll see what happens."

Orton's contract is up in March. I think if Orton is offered a job as a starter elsewhere anytime soon he may take it. It may be hard to pass up. He would not be offered a starting spot here. He would have to battle it out with Cassel. As far as a trade, we can't trade him.