Look for a QB or O-line?

[ctchiefsfan]

In another thread the following statement was made.....

I hear what you're saying, but still believe that the O-line needs to be addressed first. I think that the best QB in the world behind a mediocre front line will, himself, look mediocre or worse. However, even a QB with marginal talent can be successful behind a good O-line.

And that really focussed my mind on the whole issue Cassel vs Orton and what kind of QB we need to run our offense.

We saw last year that Cassel can make a perfectly acceptable QB in a run oriented offense. I think we also saw that when we get into a game where the opponent's defense shuts down our running game Cassel does not seem to be the kind of gunslinger that goes out and saves your butt.

In the GB game Orton appeared more comfortable than Cassel would be in a situation where the QB was expected to be the primary means of moving the ball.

In the Raider game when it came time for that last minute drive to try to break the tie Orton again appeared to be more comfortable in a situation where the game was riding on his arm.

Call it the "game manager" vs the "gunslinger".....

And this provoked a question in my mind.....assuming we will continue to be a run oriented team on offense, and that we'll make some serious effort in the off season to upgrade our O-Line, would we be better served by a "game manager" at QB or by a "gunslinger"?

Like to hear your alls thoughts on the philosophy of what kind of QB will be better to have behind center next year and why?

[okikcfan]

As I said, I think who ever we have will do better at QB if we can improve the offense. That is the key issue for me. Then beef up the Defense, add another power pass rusher to pair with Hali. Who knows at this point what is going on with Bowe and Carr. Cassel is not a gunslinger. The Bronco's and Raiders are to me worse off at QB then we are and San Diego keeping Norv and AJ I expect to see major roster changes there. So San Diego will be our biggest threat next year to win the west. We have to be solid at QB to compete an IF Cassel is our QB in 2012 we need to give him time to throw the ball cause we all know he like to hang on to it for awhile. Plus we have no idea if JC will come back at 100%, which I'm sure we all hope he does, but just for games sake we will need to throw in an extra RB for good measure.

[jap1]

One thing I would like to bring up is whether Cassel really is ONLY a game manager. I know that has been his role with us, but I wonder if that was more because we had an offensive coordinator/head coach that was stubborn, or if it is because it is all that he can do.

I am not a big New England fan, but they usually dont have an awesome running game. When he took over for Brady, was it in a "game manager" role or as a "gunslinger?" Does anybody know? If he was a gunslinger, then can you really say he doesn't have the capability to do that/be that again?

I know personally, I would like to see us beef up the OL before we do anything about the QB positions. Whether that happens in FA or the draft, I really dont care ... as long as it happens.

[okikcfan]

One thing I would like to bring up is whether Cassel really is ONLY a game manager. I know that has been his role with us, but I wonder if that was more because we had an offensive coordinator/head coach that was stubborn, or if it is because it is all that he can do.

I am not a big New England fan, but they usually dont have an awesome running game. When he took over for Brady, was it in a "game manager" role or as a "gunslinger?" Does anybody know? If he was a gunslinger, then can you really say he doesn't have the capability to do that/be that again?

I know personally, I would like to see us beef up the OL before we do anything about the QB positions. Whether that happens in FA or the draft, I really dont care ... as long as it happens.

This is a point, and a good point that has come up before, was Haley holding Cassel back? Is he really capable of doing more than what we have seen? It appears Muir is leaving so with this we will need to bring in a solid OC, one that can bring more balance and stability to our offense after FA and the draft. I feel Orton will be gone and Cassel will be the man for at least one more year. But hey, that's just my feelings.

[GarH]

So we can go with happy feet or a QB that's good between the 20 yard lines but can't do the job in the Red Zone. I'll go with happy feet. I want to see the Chiefs score more than one TD per game. Take an OL in the first and a QB in the second and hope whatever QB we get or Stanzi can be ready in a year.

[okikcfan]

Stanzi can be ready in a year.

This would be nice...

[2010chiefs]

Tired of Cassel playing not to lose instead of playing to win mentality. I rather go with Orton in case the run gets stuffed. Running games alone do not win Super Bowls and a QB like Cassel does not win Super Bowls.

[Bike]

Tired of Cassel playing not to lose instead of playing to win mentality. I rather go with Orton in case the run gets stuffed. Running games alone do not win Super Bowls and a QB like Cassel does not win Super Bowls.

With all due respect to Cassel, he was handcuffed by Haley big time. This whole team was. Orton is still the better talent though.

[okikcfan]

Tired of Cassel playing not to lose instead of playing to win mentality. I rather go with Orton in case the run gets stuffed. Running games alone do not win Super Bowls and a QB like Cassel does not win Super Bowls.

So I am asking if Orton goes what do you do?

[N TX Dave]

One thing I would like to bring up is whether Cassel really is ONLY a game manager. I know that has been his role with us, but I wonder if that was more because we had an offensive coordinator/head coach that was stubborn, or if it is because it is all that he can do.

I am not a big New England fan, but they usually dont have an awesome running game. When he took over for Brady, was it in a "game manager" role or as a "gunslinger?" Does anybody know? If he was a gunslinger, then can you really say he doesn't have the capability to do that/be that again?

I know personally, I would like to see us beef up the OL before we do anything about the QB positions. Whether that happens in FA or the draft, I really dont care ... as long as it happens.

Well his year in NE was 516 attempts, 327 comp, 63.4% for 3693 yards and 7.2 yd/att 21 td 11 int rating of 89 so was he being held back?

Brady prior year was 578 att, 398 comp, 68.9% for 4806 yards and 8.3 yd/att 50 td 8 int rating of 117.

Brady next year was 565 att, 371 comp, 65.7% for 4398 yards and 7.8 yd/att 28 td 13 int rating of 96.

So he had less attempts and less completions and lower percentage of completions less TD and lower rating than Brady had the year before and after with the basically same team/coaches. Now we know not many QB's are as good as Brady you make your mind up.

[Bike]

So I am asking if Orton goes what do you do?

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We pay him to stay and cut ties with Cassel. It'l take some stones for Pioli to admit he made TWO serious blunders in his short stint here so far.