Beer is good
2 reasons Pioli gets an A+ these past 6 months
1. Making the HC change before the end of last season and announcing RAC as new HC shortly after the end of the season.
2. Not screwing around with Winston and getting him signed.
The draft remains to be seen but these 2 moves alone will make us a competitive team next year and beyond. Great job.
SHUT IT
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It's post like this that your are simply trolling FACTS are presented you can't argue them so you just say he's a bum. You offer no facts to respond you just say he's a bumOriginally Posted by My Man Orton
Heres the fact under your logic. Orton is a bum. Why? Because he couldn't beat the same cream puffs in 2010. He lost to them twice. If Cassel is a bum then Orton is two since he couldn't beat the teams that a "bum" did. Or does Orton get judged differently because you happen to like him?
Cassel has a AFC west title under his belt. No matter how much you want to pretend that it didn't happen it did. Philp Rivers, Kyle Orton both played the same cream puffs and lost twice. Or are you going to claim that the cream puffs suddenly became good teams the weeks that Rivers and Orton played them?
TopekaRoy is my hero!
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Can't we all just put this troll on ignore? I have, but y'all keep quoting him and I wind up seeing his drivel.
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First this is a much better post actually bringing up points to support your opinion instead of just saying he's a bum.
Now Cassel might have been in his 4th-7th year but had he played as much as the other two? Don't you think that makes a difference?
You're right it is easier to look good on a great team. Ok so if it's not right to look at numbers on a great team don't you think that it's also not fair to just look at him numbers on a horrible team. You want to throw out his 08 numbers but then point to his 09 numbers. Is there any Qb that you really think could have been on winner on this team in 09? Really?
As for his number
09 Horrible team also have to consider that the Chiefs in 09 Led the NFL in drops. That had an affect on Cassels numbers that year outside of being on a horrible team.
10 200 yards a game isn't that bad when you consider the fact how much they relied on the running game so much.
11. I know I know you want to say it's an excuse but show me a Qb that wouldn't suffer losing 2 of it's top weapons. Can you show me 1 QB in the NFLs history that lost it's main offensive weapon and the top red zone target and hasn't suffered in the numbers? Can you?
Survived The Pioli Error
Aaron Rogers count? The list of guys they lost in 2010 is pretty bad. They lost Grant week 1 and Finley week 4.
56 Barnett, Nick LB 6-2 236 29 8 Oregon State
Bell, Josh CB 5-11 177 25 3 Baylor
42 Burnett, Morgan S 6-1 209 21 R Georgia Tech
54 Chillar, Brandon LB 6-3 237 28 7 UCLA
88 Finley, Jermichael TE 6-5 247 23 3 Texas
25 Grant, Ryan RB 6-1 222 28 4 Notre Dame
91 Harrell, Justin DE 6-4 315 26 4 Tennessee
41 Havner, Spencer TE 6-3 250 27 2 UCLA
59 Jones, Brad LB 6-3 242 24 2 Colorado
29 Martin, Derrick S 5-10 198 25 5 Wyoming
96 Neal, Mike DE 6-3 294 23 R Purdue
74 Newhouse, Marshall G/T 6-4 319 22 R Texas Christian
51 Poppinga, Brady LB 6-3 250 31 6 Brigham Young
27 Smith, Anthony S 6-0 200 27 5 Syracuse
65 Tauscher, Mark T 6-3 320 33 11 Wisconsin
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If ur saying ryan gant is the same to the packers as cmhatlrs isbto the chiefs ud br wrong. The defense won the superbowl that year for them wasnt charles woodson lights out that yr. They were a deep team like the chiefs are this year and were not last year.
Survived The Pioli Error
I was just saying they lost their RB1 and TE both of whom had nice years the season prior. I wasn't implying that we ran similar schemes but like you said they were deep enough to overcome the injuries. The same way we are being set up now. In my gut I believe our defense is still going to carry us through the season. I hope I'm wrong and Daboll can get the best out of Matt.
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I think the D is also going to carry this team but the offense will be improved with the guys comeing back. Even Rodgers threw for 500 less yards in 2010 from 09 and about 700 less then 2011 so his numbers were also impacted from the injuries. He's a better qb then Cassel so his numbers didn't take as much of a hit. But they were still impacted a tad.I was just saying they lost their RB1 and TE both of whom had nice years the season prior. I wasn't implying that we ran similar schemes but like you said they were deep enough to overcome the injuries. The same way we are being set up now. In my gut I believe our defense is still going to carry us through the season. I hope I'm wrong and Daboll can get the best out of Matt.
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I was just saying they lost their RB1 and TE both of whom had nice years the season prior. I wasn't implying that we ran similar schemes but like you said they were deep enough to overcome the injuries. The same way we are being set up now. In my gut I believe our defense is still going to carry us through the season. I hope I'm wrong and Daboll can get the best out of Matt.
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Even Aaron Rodgers numbers took a hit after he lost his starting RB and TE down 500 yards from 09 700 from 2011 Rodgers is a better QB then Cassel I think anyone would be willing to admit that. But you don't think that losing his starting RB and TE might have been the cause of his numbers being down just a tad? Even on of the best had some affect on him. Cassel was affected more because well he's just not one of the best in the game. No one is saying Cassel is a top qb in the NFL we are just saying he's not a bum and he has won a AFC west title before. Given a chance with a new HC and OC he might be better. Give it a chance.
You mentioned the colts. The myth is that the Colts just lost Peyton Manning. That's what the media wants people to think since well they have there lips on a certain area of Peytons backside. They like to hype up one of there boys. Marvin Harrison was not on that team they also had a new Head coach from the year they won the super bowl. Edgrin James also not on that team. They had lost more then just Peyton Manning. They have lost a number of players over the years. The ESPNs of the world just don't want to tell you that. They want you to think that it was Peyton alone that won all the games and that superbowl Fact is it wasn't.
Of course Cassels numbers were down without Charles. Take Emmit Smith away from the 90s Cowboys and you don't think Aikman's numbers would go down. Charles was the MVP of the offense. What team goes into a season saying we are going to lose the MVP of the offense in week 2? No one think that. Cassel at the time of his injury still had this team around 1st place. Still had 3 games last year with a QB rating of OVER 100. Yeah Yeah you will say they were against "cream puffs" but those Ds were better then the Packers D who Orton went against. SO if you want to throw those out then again you have to throw out Ortons. Matt Cassel was not the sole reason that they lost games last year. There were a number of factors. The head coach was a problem he didn't get the team ready to play that's his job. They could beat the Chargers who were fighting for the division title one week then lost to the winless Dolphins the next. That coach is now gone. There is a new OC on this team. An Oc that last year took someone who many would call a bust and make him look like a NFL rb and a good on. He could do the same with Cassel. IF and that's a big IF I grant you that he can and Cassel can improve and we don't see our Offensive MVP gone in week 2 don't you think that this could be a good team even with Cassel at QB I do. I will wait to see that Cassel is going to fail before I declare he's done.
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Some people are doomed to living a glass half empty kind of life. Don't try arguing with them to change their outlook on life, it is a futile waste of your time.
It is true that Cassel isnt the best QB in the league. It is true that this team could have a better coach or DE or whatever.
But it is also true that this TEAM is overall pretty rock solid in all 3 phases of the game. This team battles and plays hard for it's coach. I expect big things from this team because they have a lot of talent and I choose to view the world as glass half full. To view the world in any other way is a miserable existence. I've seen it my whole life.
Some say I will believe it when I see it. Others say I will SEE it, when I BELIEVE it. Each one of us chooses that path each day in everything we do. I believe the Chiefs are a solid TEAM that has every bit as good of chance of winning the AFC West as any other team in our division. I believe I will see it happen in 2012.
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