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    I made a case for Matt Cassel coming here when we signed him. I do think that there was some unwarranted hate for the man before he had a chance to prove himself. I acknowledge his time here has been anything but easy. I think he seems like a good guy with a good work ethic and I'm sorry things didn't turn out better on both ends of this deal. I hope he makes a full, speedy recovery and lives a long, happy life. That being said, I do not want to see him under center again in a Chiefs uniform.

    After watching him play for the last few seasons, I really don't think Matt Cassel should have been on the field to get injured in the first place. His lackluster performance and turnovers aside, the guy has always looked like a deer in the headlights with pass rushers coming down on him. He just doesn't seem quite athletic enough to evade or absorb hits over a prolonged career in the NFL. I haven't been able to help but think that he was going to eventually get killed out there over the last couple of years. I vividly remember when Trent Green tried to take-off for a run in the twilight of his career against the Bengals when he got knocked out. It was horrible and I get that same feeling in my gut that I'm about to see something terrible each time Cassel is about to take a hit.

    Speaking of that hit on Green, I also remember watching Damon Huard get us into the playoffs just to get benched in favor of Green so we could watch that train wreck. While Trent Green did a lot for the Chiefs in his time at QB and I agreed with him getting a shot, Damon Huard at least earned a chance that he never got when it was obvious that Green just wasn't what he had been before. This is just another example of this organization's LOOOOOONG history of playing politics rather than football at quarterback.

    A prolonged lack of quality on the field has led to disappointment from the fans that has now grown into hostility. We have a divided fan base and an organization that's all at odds with each other-- a perfect storm that culminated into what we saw and heard on Sunday.

    I'm not sure those people who cheered when Cassel went down did so because someone got hurt. While I'm not making excuses for the atrocious behavior of a few drunken hecklers I did hear in the audio, I think maybe most who cheered did so because that was the ONLY possible way that we were ever going to get someone else an opportunity under center. Maybe they were cheering for the thinnest ray of hope as there was NO WAY our gutless head coach and GM would have EVER benched the 66 million dollar man. Will Brady Quinn be our savior? Probably not but Chiefs fans have been drowning in a sea of misery for so long that some will see even the thinnest of threads as a lifeline to drag them up from the abyss.

    Besides, anybody who has watched this team for the last 20 years and still hasn't become numbed to the point of hardly giving a damn has to be at least marginally insane. So Matt Cassel got hurt and some insane people cheered... It should have been left at that.

    Instead, the same Chris Berman that shared a chuckle with Tom Jackson about Robert Griffin III sustaining a concussion Sunday scolds Chiefs fans on Monday night while fabricating a lie on national TV by saying Matt Cassel was "carted off" the field. I distinctly remember these jackwagons showing highlights of players getting leveled by devastating hits while screaming "HE GOT JACKED UP!" a few years back. It's hard to miss the irony here.

    Mike Ditka, who made a career out of crushing people on the football field and regularly complains about the wussification of modern football, slammed chiefs fans for being drunken barbarians. Eric Winston, the player who's comments sparked this firestorm, spoke on radio shows a few months ago about how the players should have held out longer for a better CBA because the current one handed too much authoritarian power to Goodell as comissioner. Winston made these statements in response to the heavy-handed punishments and suspensions levied against the Saints by the league for paying bounties to defensive players for injuring opposing team members and knocking them out of games. Howver, in today's news world, facts evidently don't matter when you've got a story on your hands...

    Apparently, ESPN has now joined the ranks of FOX, CNN, and MSNBC as completely-spun BS propaganda outlets that serve an agenda. The fact that there is no actual, factual television news reporting left in America-- not even in sports-- is absolutely and undeniably pathetic.

    Now, people are all worked-up over an exaggerated story about how inhumane it is to cheer a concussion to a football player. I'd wager most of these people support spreading more "democracy" across the world with bombs and bullets as if hundreds of thousands of deaths aren't enough already. The hypocrisy train rolls on...

    So Chiefs fans will be subsequently crucified, torched, and tossed under the bus. Analysts across the country are drooling all over themselves at an opportunity to make KC look like a bunch of redneck barbarians (their disdain for the Chiefs has been obvious through the years).

    Meanwhile, nobody is talking about how these guys are 1-4, leading the league in giveaways, and have not had a lead even once during regulation in any game this season.

    Nobody is talking about how the Chiefs were the only team to find the end zone in Sunday's game (twice) but the scores were nullified by garbage refs that are no better than the scabs that replaced them while they were striking for more money to throw games on crap calls (this is far from the first time I thought a chunk of the owners in the league may still have an axe to grind from the AFL days). For the record, the Falcons ran that same pick play on us a dozen times or more in week 1 and I watched the Patriots doing the same thing to the Broncos just this past Sunday. Flacco's fumble can go right up there with the "simultaneous possession" fiasco between the Packers and Seahawks a few weeks ago in the BS category.

    ...but we're not talking about football. We're talking about how "horrible" and "classless" the fans are in KC...

    The front office, coaches, and players are probably welcoming the distraction as the people that made all of these dudes rich take the heat. Chiefs fans keep paying for gold and getting dung in return. At a time where these guys SHOULD be taking flak from the fans, they have been turned into martyrs and the fans that have carried them on their backs for so long are now put on the defensive as their integrity is assaulted as a whole. Eric Winston was right about one thing, this whole mess is sickening and stinks to high heaven. It's sad that after 20 years, I doubt I'd give half a damn if Clark Hunt moved this "team" to LA tomorrow...

    I really don't think I can stomach watching this franchise ruin Jamaal Charles' career/life by expecting him to run the ball 500 times this season. This guy is a special talent and it will be unforgivable to burn him out in one (losing) season.

    I still want to give Romeo a hug. He seems like a really great, nice person. He just doesn't seem to be a very good coach. Running Jamaal Charles into the ground and risking his health/career to isolate your QB from mistakes/criticism is about as poor as game planning gets. Hire a true head coach or defensive coordinator. We have the defensive version of Todd Haley one year after letting him go...

    Brian Daboll sucks. We passed on Al Saunders for this guy?! Really?! <facepalm> His offenses couldn't score in Cleveland and Miami and his offense can't score here in KC. Who DIDN'T see this coming?

    Scott f'in Pioli is the most overrated trash that has EVER been pawned-off on this franchise. You could combine Todd Blacklidge, Steve Bono, Elvis Grbac, and Matt Cassel and still not be even in the same ballpark of BS hype masking the utter incompetence of this current GM. I really didn't think there was any way in hell it would be possible to do worse than Carl Peterson. I was wrong.

    I've been through bad times and the not-so-bad times but now is an all-time low to be a Chiefs fan.
    Thanks for all the yards, TDs, and memories, Priest!

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    Good thread. Most certainly in 100% agreement with this part of it:

    Quote Originally Posted by m0ef0e View Post
    Scott f'in Pioli is the most overrated trash that has EVER been pawned-off on this franchise. You could combine Todd Blacklidge, Steve Bono, Elvis Grbac, and Matt Cassel and still not be even in the same ballpark of BS hype masking the utter incompetence of this current GM. I really didn't think there was any way in hell it would be possible to do worse than Carl Peterson. I was wrong.
    I also want that Potato-headed, egomaniacal S.O.B. out of KC after this season.

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    Pioli has ruined this organization with his egotistic attitude and just an overall piss-poor job. Hiding from the fans that support his @$$ is bull$h!t. At least Carl Peterson had the nads to have a weekly talk show. Fans at least were able to see him, hear him, and talk Chiefs with him. Screw Scott Pioli.
    Scott Pioli has failed Kansas City and Clark would be wise to fire this clown IMMEDIATELY.
    SHUT IT

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    Many of the guys who's names get called every week on this team were drafted by Peterson, before Pioli's time:

    Jamaal Charles
    Tamba Hali
    Derrick Johnson
    Brandon Flowers
    Dwayne Bowe
    Thanks for all the yards, TDs, and memories, Priest!

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    Well, y'all will be disappointed if the current media & other source rumors circulating now are true. Those rumors are, that Clark Hunt has extended Scott Pioli's contract for another 3 years.

    Assuming those rumors are true, the only way Scott Pioli will leave KC is if he himself for some reason decides to resign.

    I'm far to weary to debate, so will just end with...I'm one of many fans I know of, who are hoping the rumors are true and support Pioli 100%. My reasons I believe are justified. To each their own perspective, but as a resident of KC, season ticket holder, I've witnessed & experienced the improvements to the franchise overall that Pioli has made since arriving in KC 2009. There is more to a GM's role than what spectating fans observe from a distance on the field of play...much more!

    GO CHIEFS!!!

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    I 100% agree with this thread. Well thought out and well said. Could not agree more with coaches and GM. Romeo is a great person and great D coordinator and we may lose him now because we gave him to much responsibility. I hope this all works out soon, but regardless we need to draft a franchise qb. Even if we draft a bust (hope this never happens), I would give management respect because at least they would be trying to find a franchise qb, which is more than I can say about them now. We have most if not all the remaining pieces to be contenders, but it is a qb driven league and we have career backups playing the most important position.

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    I will counter point, that it was Scott Pioli who also retained the roster talent listed above by re-signing them:

    Hali, DJ, Flowers, Charles...

    Peterson?...have y'all conveniently forgotten all the players of talent he cut or traded and didn't retain, which hurt our team? IE: Neil Smith, Jared Allen, Tony Richardson, Lawrence Tynes

    As well, it was under Peterson that Tony G. asked to be traded. The negotiations with Atlanta had begun under Peterson, Pioli only finished them up as Tony requested he do.

    Pioli has drafted himself:

    Succop, Lewis, Houston, Hudson, McCluster, Baldwin, Berry...all of which have contributed postively to our Chiefs team! The final verdict is still out on Powe, Poe, Arenas, but many men who once played the game and are pro analysts...say they have the potential to be of benefit to our team once given the fair amount of time most at their positions require to evolve.

    SI, ESPN, and many other pro analysts sources have said Pioli has built one of the finest, most solid rosters of young talent in the NFL.

    Too many fans are currently obsessed with one position only, the QB, and as such, failing to give Pioli credit for all the positive changes he's made to our franchise & team since 2009. He's done more to improve our franchise than Peterson did in his last decade, and he did so within 3 completed seasons. We've not finished our 4th season yet.

    It takes an average of 3-5 years for a new GM & team to reach consistent playoff caliber, with 5 being the the magic number for most. Those who have done it in 3 are exceptions.

    Browns, poor Browns...year 5 was their magic number, but the fan base chased them away to Baltimore before the 5th year under new management. Such a shame really, that they lost the future Lombardi to the new Baltimore fans due to their impatience at the time.

    Atlanta...Dimitroff took over 2008, he's now in his 5th year...look how well they're doing...there's that magic number 5 year, again, hahaha.

    GO CHIEFS!!!!

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    Dimitroff and Pioli are MILES apart in their respective philosophies. Although both came from the Patriot tree, Dimitroff built the Falcons HIS way - not Belichick's way. He went out and drafted himself a franchise QB - he didn't trade for a backup qb from somebody else.
    There is a reason coaches (Fisher) and players (Manning) don't want to be here. That reason is Scott Pioli and his pick up that gum wrapper management style.
    All we have ever needed was a good HC and a franchse QB to be a great team. Dimitroff has delivered both to Atlanta - Pioli has delivered neither. Pioli has failed and needs to go - NOW.
    SHUT IT

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    [QUOTE=Bike;268271]He went out and drafted himself a franchise QB - he didn't trade for a backup qb from somebody else. /QUOTE]

    The difference with that and Pioli's situation is that Atlanta was fortunate enough to have a talented quarterback fall to them at #3.

    Here's the 1st round QBs Pioli has passed on that he could have taken without trading up:

    Mark Sanchez
    Josh Freeman
    Tim Tebow

    That's it!

    The problem behind all of this is that Matt Cassel isn't that good. But we also haven't had a great opportunity to draft a good quarterback.
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    I can't believe Chiefs fans are calling Scott Pioli "trash", among other foul disrespectful names, yet in the same discussion are bashing media for portraying Chiefs fans as disrespectful?? One can express their frustrations and upset without resorting to foul vulgar name calling.

    By the way...I was at the game Sunday, as well were many friends, all sitting in various sections of Arrowhead. The behavior Eric Winston spoke of was observed by all of us to some degree. It depended upon where you were as to what was heard or seen, as fans in upper level don't hear the noise the same as those in lower, & vice versa. No, it wasn't 70,000...but I'd say judging from experiences of those present who heard it...it was about 1/8 of the fans at least. No, it was not confused with cheering for something else. These people were hollering comments of joy that clearly indicated their happiness for Matt's injury.

    It was enough that it not only upset Eric, but other Chiefs players also, and some Ravens players who heard it too. A couple of them gave brief public comments saying it was unsettling & appalled them.

    Some fans attempt to justify & excuse such repulsive behavior, saying things like...I pay their salaries, I buy tickets, I buy team gear, I can say or do whatever I want because I spend money on them so I have that right! I'm tired of losing, so they deserve to be treated like dirt!

    Really? So, our society has failed to a point that it now accepts, excuses, or justifies verbal & emotional abuse of pro athletes? Why, because they make millions? Because as fans we contribute to that salary? Because they don't win enough?

    Well, I buy tickets, attend every home game. I buy team gear. It is a free will choice I make to be a Chiefs fan and spend money as a fan. No where on the receipts does it say by buying tickets or team gear, that I have bought the right to verbally abuse the QB, nor any other member of the team. These men are human beings first & foremost, just like you and me, they deserve respect as fellow human beings.

    Younger generations are learning behavior set by the example of adults. Monkey see, monkey do. There is no justification nor excuse in verbally abusing another human being for doing nothing wrong other than he isn't good enough by their standards to win.

    My role as a fan is to support my team, enjoy myself as fan, which I do in many ways. I am nothing more than an amateur spectating fan. I do not have the professional inside knowledge, years of dedication & on field experience, nor education that qualifies me to be a GM, Coach, nor player of an extremely complex multi million dollar NFL franchise. I've never walked in the shoes of a GM, Coach, nor player. As such, I have no legitimacy in thinking I know more than they do about the game, enough so to arrogantly tell them how to do their jobs.

    I am a fan, by my own free will choice, no one forces me to be a fan, just a fan...nothing more or less. GO CHIEFS!!!!

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