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    People have said "bring back Marty or Cowher" and made numerous points about this, many well taken.

    I offer a 3rd alternative, that if you stop and think about, falls right into line with the requests that have been made for Marty and Cowher and here it is:

    Look up north to GB. Who is currently on the GB coaching staff that played under Cowher for many years and possesses Cowher's very same mentality??

    Drum roll please.....

    KEVIN GREENE

    Think that is farfetched? Look down to Miami and how the Dolphins are getting things moving in the right direction under Joe Philbin.

    All you can do is give a guy a chance. The same chance that Marty and Cowher got to be HC's.

    I really believe that Kevin Greene could very well be the next iteration of Marty, Cowher.

    He would not tolerate the loser's mentality that has plagued the Chiefs since 2007.

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    I would rather have a PROVEN NFL head coach before a 1st time coach or a college coach myself

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    Quote Originally Posted by matthewschiefs View Post
    I would rather have a PROVEN NFL head coach before a 1st time coach or a college coach myself
    It could be hit or miss either way. The proven coaches aren't coming to KC as long as Pioli is there.

    Many 1st time coaches have had success -- the Chiefs very 1st HC, Hank Stram is one of them.

    Now, if one were to prefer a 1st time HC with experience in the NFL coaching ranks as opposed to a college coach that never coached in the NFL, that's quite understandable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matthewschiefs View Post
    I would rather have a PROVEN NFL head coach before a 1st time coach or a college coach myself
    But look at a guy like Harbaugh vs Shanahan.

    I read this great book that attempts to throw out solutions to fixing failed NFL franchises: Game Plan: A Radical Approach to Decision Making in the National Football League: Frank DuPont: Amazon.com: Kindle Store@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/415rdN5QybL.@@AMEPARAM@@415rdN5QybL

    One thing it talked about was the age of a coach. It had a really nice graph that basically said that humans start to lose mental abilities as they age, and that 42-51 is about the best age for a head coach. After that, there is a significant decline. He has some great examples of coaches that won Super Bowls and really were an embarassment as they got older including Tom Landry, Ditka, Gibbs, and Coryell. Take a look at Mike Shanahan, he was around 45 when he won a couple of Super Bowls. He hasn't had a winning record in 2+ season with the Redskins.

    Just food for thought for everyone when thinking of new coaches. The average age of Super Bowl winning coaches is 48.6 years old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryfo18 View Post
    But look at a guy like Harbaugh vs Shanahan.

    I read this great book that attempts to throw out solutions to fixing failed NFL franchises: Game Plan: A Radical Approach to Decision Making in the National Football League: Frank DuPont: Amazon.com: Kindle Store

    One thing it talked about was the age of a coach. It had a really nice graph that basically said that humans start to lose mental abilities as they age, and that 42-51 is about the best age for a head coach. After that, there is a significant decline. He has some great examples of coaches that won Super Bowls and really were an embarassment as they got older including Tom Landry, Ditka, Gibbs, and Coryell. Take a look at Mike Shanahan, he was around 45 when he won a couple of Super Bowls. He hasn't had a winning record in 2+ season with the Redskins.

    Just food for thought for everyone when thinking of new coaches. The average age of Super Bowl winning coaches is 48.6 years old.
    That's a very interesting point. And I do agree that one can get to old to be a good head coach. I said at the time that age was a bad thing with Romeo. Even if he had been good he wouldn't have been there for the long haul. But I never knew the age of super bowl winning coaches stat

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryfo18 View Post
    But look at a guy like Harbaugh vs Shanahan.

    I read this great book that attempts to throw out solutions to fixing failed NFL franchises:
    One thing it talked about was the age of a coach. It had a really nice graph that basically said that humans start to lose mental abilities as they age, and that 42-51 is about the best age for a head coach. After that, there is a significant decline. He has some great examples of coaches that won Super Bowls and really were an embarassment as they got older including Tom Landry, Ditka, Gibbs, and Coryell. Take a look at Mike Shanahan, he was around 45 when he won a couple of Super Bowls. He hasn't had a winning record in 2+ season with the Redskins.

    Just food for thought for everyone when thinking of new coaches. The average age of Super Bowl winning coaches is 48.6 years old.
    Fascinating. At least it didn't hamper Dick Vermeil's ability to put together a prolific Offense for the Chiefs like I was hoping he would when they hired him in 2001. And he was 63, when the Rams won the SB in 1999, so I guess he would be the exception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brdempsey69 View Post
    Fascinating. At least it didn't hamper Dick Vermeil's ability to put together a prolific Offense for the Chiefs like I was hoping he would when they hired him in 2001. And he was 63, when the Rams won the SB in 1999, so I guess he would be the exception.
    There are always exceptions to the rules.

    Jim Harbaugh would be one for College coaches in the NFL. There are alot more that haven't worked out then the Jim Harbaughs of the world like Steve Spurrier, Nick Sabin, Bobby Patrino to name a few

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    Quote Originally Posted by brdempsey69 View Post
    Fascinating. At least it didn't hamper Dick Vermeil's ability to put together a prolific Offense for the Chiefs like I was hoping he would when they hired him in 2001. And he was 63, when the Rams won the SB in 1999, so I guess he would be the exception.
    Sure there are a lot of exceptions. I'm definitely not saying this is the only way to find an excellent head coach, just sharing the info. And yes, Matt is correct too, a lot of college coaches have failed at the NFL level.

    Coughlin is another example. He's 66 and certainly an exception to the rule. I worry about a guy like Cowher coming in though. I know that sounds crazy, but he hasn't coached in 5 years. The game evolves more and more each year, and the guys that can innovate (Belichick) continue to have success.

    I look at a guy like Dave Wannstedt in Buffalo. Been running the same defense for years. It was good for a while, and now he just gets trounced every game. Then you have Greg Knapp in Oakland. He loves the zone blocking scheme, but McFadden doesn't succeed in it at all. Coaches that can't adjust their playbook and know how to utilize their best players are going to continue to be failures.
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    I want Cowher or Mike Mccoy as coach. Polian and Cowher like eachother, I certainly would not mind that combination.

    I want Andy Reid as our OC.

    I also wouldn't mind a younger coach to help grow with this team, Jay Gruden comes to mind.

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    And to add to my above post, I see a guy like Chip Kelly as an innovator. Just look at how Oregon does things. He would obviously need the support of a solid defensive coordinator, but I really think he could have success at this level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryfo18 View Post
    And to add to my above post, I see a guy like Chip Kelly as an innovator. Just look at how Oregon does things. He would obviously need the support of a solid defensive coordinator, but I really think he could have success at this level.

    My buddy just graduated from the University of Oregon and says there is no way Chip would leave UO, but you never know, right ryfo?

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