Notre Dame LB

**nigeriannightmare** · 11-28-2012, 07:54 AM

Manti has moved up to number 2 on kipers board. He undoubtedly will be thrust into the top pick if he wins the Heisman. This is someone who can handle the spotlight and having the weight of a franchise placed on him. We could have a rebirth on the side of football that made number 58 our face of the franchise.

I know qb is what we need but how do you pass on this kid.

**OPLookn** · 11-28-2012, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by Ryfo18

Of course he could. I'd much rather swing and miss at a QB than swing and miss at a much less important position like LB (that the Chiefs are stacked at, mind you).

How exactly are we "stacked" at LB? Belcher? I'm gonna have to go Carter on you. C'mon man! Add to it that DJ is getting older and might only have a year or two left in him and Teo looks pretty good.

I'm not saying we should draft Teo over a QB. But I'd be far more understanding if we draft the BPA instead of the position of need....again. I find it odd that I'm disagreeing with you here Ryfo, we usually have the same thought processes.

**texaschief** · 11-28-2012, 02:31 PM

DJ has a lot more than 1 or 2 years left. He's 7 years younger than Ray Lewis... who probably isn't quitting any time soon. With Johnson's speed in a 3-4 defense, he'll be playing ILB for a long while to come.

**Ryfo18** · 11-28-2012, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by OPLookn

How exactly are we "stacked" at LB? Belcher? I'm gonna have to go Carter on you. C'mon man! Add to it that DJ is getting older and might only have a year or two left in him and Teo looks pretty good.

I'm not saying we should draft Teo over a QB. But I'd be far more understanding if we draft the BPA instead of the position of need....again. I find it odd that I'm disagreeing with you here Ryfo, we usually have the same thought processes.

DJ is one of the best in the league and just turned 29. Belcher is basically average at best. But when you consider our 3-4 LBs consist of DJ, Hali, Houston, and Belcher, then you have a case that we have one of the best LB corps in the NFL. Better said, I would put it and the O-line as our two positions where we are the best off at. Why spend a 1st rounder there? We could still get a LB upgrade in rounds 2-4. What good is the top LB prospect going to do when the offense continues to give the ball away at their own 20-yard line at a ridiculous rate and scores 1.1 touchdowns per game.

This team needs THE BEST QB available.

I took the following stats from a guy I follow on Twitter, @MikeClay NFL:

1.1 touchdowns per game!!!! The next worst in the league is the Rams at 1.5 touchdowns per game. That means they at least score 2 touchdowns every other game. The Chiefs score 2 touchdowns per game on average ONCE EVERY 10 GAMES!!!!

Some more: "Chiefs haven't scored an offensive touchdown since week 10, a passing TD since week 8, and have three total offensive TDs since week 5." Think if you removed the garbage time TDs from that what would happen. It would only get worse!

I'm sorry, I just can't stand for people arguing that we need anything BUT the best QB prospect in this draft. I don't care if he's not RGIII or Luck on paper.

**OPLookn** · 11-28-2012, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by Ryfo18

DJ is one of the best in the league and just turned 29. Belcher is basically average at best. But when you consider our 3-4 LBs consist of DJ, Hali, Houston, and Belcher, then you have a case that we have one of the best LB corps in the NFL. Better said, I would put it and the O-line as our two positions where we are the best off at. Why spend a 1st rounder there? We could still get a LB upgrade in rounds 2-4.

This team needs THE BEST QB available.

Because at some point the LB's won't be a point of strength. If you're always playing from behind it's harder to win. We've seen that this season and previous seasons.

Belcher is average at best. Since he can't cover he's already 50% and when you figure in that he isn't a beast at the run defense he's down to a max of 40% which to me isn't average. That's on his good games.

ILB also age faster in NFL years as we both know. At 29 an ILB is pretty darn old. Sure you can bring up Ray Lewis and a few other LB's but those are the exceptions, not the rule.

The problem I have (granted it's still way early) but there's no definitive "best" QB. I may be remembering incorrectly but it seems that while Pioli has been here we've been drafting D when the draft is strong in O and when we've drafted O it's strong in the D. May be off and probably am, just how I remember the drafts being.

**chiefnut** · 11-28-2012, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by #58ChiefsFan

The Chiefs have reached on Jackson and Poe and to a lesser degree Berry, now Baldwin is looking to be a bust in this system with these coaches. At #1 overall Smith and/or Barkley are a reach, this team is so terrible in that position you almost have to reach. I just want to see how far ahead the top two are from the rest of the QBs entering the draft. If we could grab T'eo and trade up into the first round again to get a QB at the spot he is designated and not have to make a reach I wouldn't be upset.

all the more reason not to reach, you take a flying leap and go down in flames for another year, trade down, get more picks and a QB or take best available player and take a QB in round 2

**Ryfo18** · 11-28-2012, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by OPLookn

Because at some point the LB's won't be a point of strength. If you're always playing from behind it's harder to win. We've seen that this season and previous seasons.

Right, but why a LB this year? At some point they won't, but it's not like they're all just going to fall off a cliff next year.

As for the "playing from behind", see my above post that I edited...That should give you a pretty good insight as to why they're always behind.

**chiefnut** · 11-28-2012, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by OPLookn

How exactly are we "stacked" at LB? Belcher? I'm gonna have to go Carter on you. C'mon man! Add to it that DJ is getting older and might only have a year or two left in him and Teo looks pretty good.

I'm not saying we should draft Teo over a QB. But I'd be far more understanding if we draft the BPA instead of the position of need....again. I find it odd that I'm disagreeing with you here Ryfo, we usually have the same thought processes.

Originally Posted by texaschief

DJ has a lot more than 1 or 2 years left. He's 7 years younger than Ray Lewis... who probably isn't quitting any time soon. With Johnson's speed in a 3-4 defense, he'll be playing ILB for a long while to come.

we are set at OLB and have [1] solid ILB but are in need of another stud ILB...that would make this a better run stuffing and pass rushing D

**Ryfo18** · 11-28-2012, 03:01 PM

Anyway, who cares. This team is forever doomed. They can't even secure the 1st overall pick in the right year either.

**nigeriannightmare** · 11-28-2012, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by Ryfo18

DJ is one of the best in the league and just turned 29. Belcher is basically average at best. But when you consider our 3-4 LBs consist of DJ, Hali, Houston, and Belcher, then you have a case that we have one of the best LB corps in the NFL. Better said, I would put it and the O-line as our two positions where we are the best off at. Why spend a 1st rounder there? We could still get a LB upgrade in rounds 2-4. What good is the top LB prospect going to do when the offense continues to give the ball away at their own 20-yard line at a ridiculous rate and scores 1.1 touchdowns per game.

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This team needs THE BEST QB available.

I took the following stats from a guy I follow on Twitter, @MikeClay NFL:

1.1 touchdowns per game!!!! The next worst in the league is the Rams at 1.5 touchdowns per game. That means they at least score 2 touchdowns every other game. The Chiefs score 2 touchdowns per game on average ONCE EVERY 10 GAMES!!!!

Some more: "Chiefs haven't scored an offensive touchdown since week 10, a passing TD since week 8, and have three total offensive TDs since week 5." Think if you removed the garbage time TDs from that what would happen. It would only get worse!

I'm sorry, I just can't stand for people arguing that we need anything BUT the best QB prospect in this draft. I don't care if he's not RGIII or Luck on paper.

This makes no sense. So after the combine the top qbs are at the bottom of the first. Why would u not take the best player available and then trade up to a mid to late first round. We do have two thirds and a WR that doesn't want to be in KC.

Hypothetically speaking lets say the top 2 qbs perform poorly at the combine and their stock has dropped what would u do? Still take a qb that is projected to go mid to late first round with the first overall pick?

**Ryfo18** · 11-28-2012, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by nigeriannightmare

This makes no sense. So after the combine the top qbs are at the bottom of the first. Why would u not take the best player available and then trade up to a mid to late first round. We do have two thirds and a WR that doesn't want to be in KC.

Hypothetically speaking lets say the top 2 qbs perform poorly at the combine and their stock has dropped what would u do? Still take a qb that is projected to go mid to late first round with the first overall pick?

Ok, we're operating under two different assumptions. If that is the case, sure I agree. I am under the assumption that there will be 1 (Geno), maybe 2 quarterbacks in the top 10 picks come time for the draft.