May well be on the chopping block this off season.
...Worth a trade??? If so, who/what???
1,290 2,177 59.3 14,280 6.6 81 63
Matt Cassel: Comp. Att. %. Yards. Avg. TD. INT
1,203 2,044 58.9 13,495 6.6 82 57
Career Numbers in the exact same amount of years they've played except cassel only attempted 18 passes for 215 yards in his 1st 2 years in the league. Alex Smith didn't play 2008. Not only does cassel have better #'s but in 1 less year.
Matt Cassel = 1 Pro Bowl
Alex Smith = 0 Pro Bowls
Matt Cassel's OC's:
2005 third string = McDaniels
2006 on bench = McDaniels
2007 on bench = McDaniels
2008 starting 15 games = McDaniels
2009 in KC = Haley
2010 = Weiss
2011 = Muir
2012 = Daboll
Total = 5 OC's in 5 years being a starter
Alex Smith's OC's:
2005 playing 9 games = Mike McCarthy
2006 staring = Norv Turner
2007 starting = Jim Hostler
2008 benched = Mike Martz
2009 starting = Jimmy Raye
2010 starting = jimmy raye, replaced by mike johnson 1/3 thru season
2011 starting = greg roman
2012 starting = greg roman
Total = 6 OC's (you could say 7 although i'm sure mike johnson kept everything intact) in 7 years of starting.
Now lets look at this a bit deeper. Matt Cassel had 2 OC's that were known to be QB guru's, McDaniel's and Weiss. And under thos OC's he had 2 extrememly good years, 1 sent him to the probowl the other got him several accolades including
- 2× AFC Offensive Player of the Week (2008)
- Back to back 400-yard games (2008)
- USA Today All-Joe team (2008)
Now Alex smith had 3 OC's that are known to be QB guru's. Norv, McCarthy, and Martz, And you could even say his new HC Haurbaugh is a QB guru aswell. And smith had 1.5 good seasons before being yanked and replaced. No ProBowls and
Who's better as apposed to worth?
alex smith due 8.5 millon in 2013
matt cassel due 7.5 millon in 2013
Matt Cassel in 2010 > Alex Smith in 2011/12 with a good OC and putting the right system around him.
Lets compare their quote unquote probowl years shall we?
matt cassel's 2010 season :
Year,Games Played, Attempts, Comp., Yards, TD, INT, QB Rating.....
2010- 15- 450- 262 -3,116 -27 - 7 - 93.0
Alex Smith's 2011 season :
Year,Games Played, Attempts, Comp., Yards, TD, INT, QB Rating.....
2011-16- 445- 273- 61.3- 3144- 17- 5- 90.7
2012-10- 218- 153- 70.2- 1737- 13- 5- 104.1Was Smith having a better year in 2012? Yes, was it going to be anything more than game manager? No
What was the 49ers strength of schedule for the 2011 season? .449
what was the chiefs strength of schedule for the 2010 season? .414
People want the IT factor of a guy that can throw his team on his back and lead them to victory against the tough teams in this league, people ***** about cassel all the time that he can't do this and we can't take peoples backups that don't have the IT factor and can't do that.. Guess what Alex smith is the same guy people ***** they don't want.
There is a reason he was benched. He is a game manager that has to have the right system around him, and a strong run game, just like cassel. He was benched for Kaep cause Kaep is a game changing gun slinger that can either run you to victory or throw you to victory. Neither of which alex can do. and he's proved it.
So you were saying?
Oh and for those that say Smith is a better scrambler.
Cassel's carreer #:
Att, Yrds, Avg, TD
168 612 3.6 3
Smith's carreer #:
Att, Yrds, Avg, TD
212 761 3.58 4
Last edited by fairladyZ; 02-05-2013 at 06:29 PM.
Here's my thoughts I think that Smith isn't going to have a big group of teams trying to get him. He won't have much of a choice if the choice is even left to him and the niners don't just trade him. I will state again while there numbers might be comparable Smith was hurt by a VERY poor head coach for a good part of his time with the niners. Once they got a good head coach Smith went to the playoffs and WON in the playoffs. If it hadn't been for a muffed punt they would have been in the super bowl a year ago. Then this year Smith was amoung the top of the NFL in Rating and completion % Cassel has NEVER done either. I think Smith would be a good idea to come fight for the job. But we would need to get someone else to compete with him. At worst he would be an upgrade at backup QB.
Matt you like to say that you can't just put the blame on 1 person, just like you like to say there are more to blame on this team than cassel, like the WR's need to take some heat to. You got to have the same attitude in this situation. If you give alex a pass then you give cassel a pass.
The other thing that you guys have got to remember is alex smith is NOT going to come here to compete. He's going somewhere to start, he's going to want atleast a 5 year deal. Niners have already said they will try to trade him to a team of his choosing, if they release him it's alex's choice, and with teams like arizona, buffalo, possible philly he's not going to come to KC to compete for a spot or upgrade our backup situation.
Cassel on the other hand is nearing the end of his deal, he knows his road is coming to an end in KC and there probably won't be to many suitors for him. I'm sure he'll restructure his contract to compete with whoever else we bring in.
Again, Cassel is a better option for this team by far. And my honest opinion is he's also the better QB
alex smith this hurts to say because being from utah. i have followed him his collegiant and nfl career. he has hit his absolute ceiling as an nfl qb. while he was at the u of u he became to acustom to urban meyer's shotgun formation. his biggest knock even 3 years into his pro career. now alex has improved in this area. and is alot better of an option than caseel. because he does stand tall in the pocket knows how to avoid initial contact(can scramble) has a stronger arm, but let's remember he has had a GREAT defense in s.f an awesome running game and a great t/e. there is an absolute reason why harbaugh tried getting rid of him in the offseason and eventually benching him for kaepernick. could he come in and win more than 2 games for us probably. but he will never get us where we need to go and that is the superbowl.
i personaly am getting tired of reading the same old book when it comes to chiefs qb's. with that book being titled other teams re tread's
i say draft a qb in this years draft if it does not work out and doesn't look promising draft another one next year. repeat the process UNTILL THEY GET IT RIGHT WE NEED AN ABSOLUTE FRANCHISE QB.
Cassel will count for 7.5 against the cap if he's kept, if he's cut we will save 5 mil against the cap. Alex smith is due for 7.5 mil and a 1 mil roster bonus, i'm not sure if we would have to pick that up. But smith knows there are teams that will pay him to start, and he wants to start, he won't come here to just be a stop gap or to compete.
Cassel on the other hand i'm sure would restructure his deal to stay here and compete as the market for him will pretty much be non-exsistent. And with andy reid being as good as he is with QB's it may just be what cassel needs, ALA what he did in NE with mcdaniels and passing for 4000+ yards and 2 back to back 400 yrd passing games. And if it wasn't for the fluke that year if they would have gotten into the playoffs with their 11-5 record i have no doubt they would have made a run to the championship.
Cassel is a proven winner. IF you put the right pieces and coaching around him, same with smith. only difference is we already have one that will come alot cheaper!
agreed on smith, not on cassel.
Arm strength between the 2 is about the same, cassel's arm isn't great but it's not as bad as people make it out to be, his pocket presence used to be good, it's gone to **** because of bad line play and horrendous play calling so teams could pick us apart. If you want a good example of what cassel's problem is go back and watch ALL the raiders games since he's started playing here. Sometimes our O-Line is great, sometimes it's horrendous, certain teams know how to exploit our line, raiders are a good example. Cassel checks down because of the plays, his wr's not getting seperation, and our oline inconsistencies.
i say we draft a QB to, but we can't just keep drafting 1 every year unless it's late rounds. If we draft in the first 2 rounds then we are comitted to that guy for at bare minimum 2 years to develop, if we miss twice that's 4 years gone and most our young talent base careers are over.
The difference between Cassel and Smith to me is that Smith has proven that he can win in the playoffs. Cassel has not. Now That's not to say it's not possible for Cassel to but Smith showed that he can. Smith would have had his team in the super bowl last year if there wasn't a muffed punt. You can't say that about Cassel. That to me is the difference. I don't think they can bring Cassel back with the hate he got from the fanbase. Some fair some unfair IMO. I just don't think it would be best for either the Chiefs or Cassel to put him back in that spot
No trade unless it involves a better deal for us, pick up as a free agent! Yes!