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    This a tremendous read by a NFL Draft nut Eric Stoner (@ECStoner on Twitter). It basically supports what I've been trying to say (we need to take a QB round 1).

    The summary is he groups quarterbacks into 4 tiers. The top 2 tiers pretty much consist of the best quarterbacks in the league. Tier 3 he describes as "good enough to not get replaced" and tier 4 is the Brady Quinn's of the world.

    Of the 13 QBs in the top 2 tiers, 11 of them were first round draft picks. The only two were Drew Brees (1st pick in the 2nd round) and Matt Schaub (3rd round).

    The Chiefs, in order to maximize their chances of getting a QBOTF (a tier1/tier2 guy) need to take a QB in the first round.

    http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cf...the-qb-problem
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bike View Post
    Trade down for more picks and get Wilson, Bray, or McClarron - much better alternatives with all the holes we have on this team.
    I just don't see anyone trading up to the #1 spot honestly...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryfo18 View Post
    I just don't see anyone trading up to the #1 spot honestly...
    If thats the case, we should take the BPA. We can't afford a Leinart/Young screw-up. We just can't. Just another reason Pioli should be fired 15 minutes after the the Denver game - in the plane. After all - he thought Matt Cassel was was our answer at QB. Pioli is a FOOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bike View Post
    If thats the case, we should take the BPA. We can't afford a Leinart/Young screw-up. We just can't. Just another reason Pioli should be fired 15 minutes after the the Denver game - in the plane. After all - he thought Matt Cassel was was our answer at QB. Pioli is a FOOL.
    We can't afford to keep having Cassel/Quinn types at QB either. I'm not getting your Leinart/Young comparison at all though. This is just a simple statistical comparison.

    Vince Young's college stats:

    2003: 84/143 (58.7%), 1155yds (8.1ypa), 6:7 TD:INT --- 135 carries for 998 yards and 11 TDs
    2004: 148/250 (59.2%), 1849 yds (7.4ypa), 12:11 TD:INT --- 167 carries for 1079 yards and 14 TDS
    2005: 212/325 (65.2%), 3036 yards (9.6ypa), 26:10 TD:INT --- 155 carries for 1050 yards and 12 TDs

    Leinart (his rushing stats are withheld b/c they don't really matter)

    2003: 255/402 (63.4%), 3556 yards (8.8ypa), 38:9 TD:INT
    2004: 269/412 (65.3%), 3322 yards (8.1ypa), 33:6 TD:INT
    2005: 283/431 (65.7%), 3815 yards (8.9ypa), 28:8 TD:INT

    Geno Smith

    2010: 241/372 (64.8%), 2763 yards (7.4 ypa), 24:7 TD:INT --- 106 carries for 217 yards 0 TDs
    2011: 346/526 (65.8%), 4385 yards (8.3 ypa), 31:7 TD:INT --- 56 carries for -33 yards and 2TDs
    2012: 327/466 (70.2%), 3597 yards (7.7ypa), 37:5 TD:INT ratio -- 59 carries for 150 yards and 2 TDs

    Matt Barkley

    2009: 211/352 (59.9%), 2735 yards (7.8ypa), 15:14 TD:INT ratio
    2010: 236/377 (62.6%), 2791 yards (7.4ypa), 26:12 TD:INT
    2011: 308/446 (69.1%), 3528 yards (7.9ypa), 39:7 TD:INT
    2012 246/387 (63.6%), 3273 yards (8.5ypa), 36:15 TD:INT


    My basic conclusions just looking at this.

    1.) Young was pretty much a running quarterback, but did show improvement in the passing area his senior year.

    2.) Leinart showed gradual improvement in completion percentage, but was relatively flat everywhere else.

    3.) Barkley has had a bad season this year, and never really blows you away.

    4.) Geno has improved on his completion percentage and TD:INT ratio each year. He's not a running quarterback though. He's probably the most unique quarterback out of all 4 of these guys. This is the guy I want KC to take.


    I just don't get where you are getting these Leinart/Young comparisons...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryfo18 View Post
    We can't afford to keep having Cassel/Quinn types at QB either. I'm not getting your Leinart/Young comparison at all though. This is just a simple statistical comparison.

    Vince Young's college stats:

    2003: 84/143 (58.7%), 1155yds (8.1ypa), 6:7 TD:INT --- 135 carries for 998 yards and 11 TDs
    2004: 148/250 (59.2%), 1849 yds (7.4ypa), 12:11 TD:INT --- 167 carries for 1079 yards and 14 TDS
    2005: 212/325 (65.2%), 3036 yards (9.6ypa), 26:10 TD:INT --- 155 carries for 1050 yards and 12 TDs

    Leinart (his rushing stats are withheld b/c they don't really matter)

    2003: 255/402 (63.4%), 3556 yards (8.8ypa), 38:9 TD:INT
    2004: 269/412 (65.3%), 3322 yards (8.1ypa), 33:6 TD:INT
    2005: 283/431 (65.7%), 3815 yards (8.9ypa), 28:8 TD:INT

    Geno Smith

    2010: 241/372 (64.8%), 2763 yards (7.4 ypa), 24:7 TD:INT --- 106 carries for 217 yards 0 TDs
    2011: 346/526 (65.8%), 4385 yards (8.3 ypa), 31:7 TD:INT --- 56 carries for -33 yards and 2TDs
    2012: 327/466 (70.2%), 3597 yards (7.7ypa), 37:5 TD:INT ratio -- 59 carries for 150 yards and 2 TDs

    Matt Barkley

    2009: 211/352 (59.9%), 2735 yards (7.8ypa), 15:14 TD:INT ratio
    2010: 236/377 (62.6%), 2791 yards (7.4ypa), 26:12 TD:INT
    2011: 308/446 (69.1%), 3528 yards (7.9ypa), 39:7 TD:INT
    2012 246/387 (63.6%), 3273 yards (8.5ypa), 36:15 TD:INT


    My basic conclusions just looking at this.

    1.) Young was pretty much a running quarterback, but did show improvement in the passing area his senior year.

    2.) Leinart showed gradual improvement in completion percentage, but was relatively flat everywhere else.

    3.) Barkley has had a bad season this year, and never really blows you away.

    4.) Geno has improved on his completion percentage and TD:INT ratio each year. He's not a running quarterback though. He's probably the most unique quarterback out of all 4 of these guys. This is the guy I want KC to take.


    I just don't get where you are getting these Leinart/Young comparisons...
    I was trying to point out that they were both top 10 picks - and never did really pan out for the teams that drafted them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by #58ChiefsFan View Post
    I'm starting to believe the draft Geno and make him the starter from day 1 mentality. If he sucks and we go 0-16 you try again the next year. If we go 6-10 or 7-9 you still draft a QB next year.

    We can afford to be wrong, given the choices there is no clear right. What we can't afford is to not try and then remain status quo.

    I'm not sure but are we still leading the AFC in rushing? Even if we're top 3 that says everything we need to know about the NFL being a passing league.
    ^^This from another thread sums up the Chiefs situation 100% correctly.

    You can draft Defensive players in the 1st round until you are blue in the face -- which is what the Chiefs have done, BTW -- but if you don't have a quality QB that can throw the football better than what the Chiefs currently have on their roster, then you can scratch it as far as any post-season success goes.

    If Geno Smith finishes the season playing well & plays well in a Bowl game, All-Star game, and shows well at the Combine, then he is a guy that the Chiefs have to try and take.

    One thing I'm failing to understand. How can so many Chiefs fans be on board with drafting a Safety -- a position that provides minimal positional value or impact -- at #5 in 2010 under the old CBA and then turn around and say it's not worth taking a chance on a QB at #1 under the new CBA, if they can't trade down a few slots? That is completely illogical.

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    Atleast with Barkley out hurt we won't. Be drafting him.

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    I don't think ANY team will want to trade up to the #1 slot so we have to go BPA with that pick and then trade back into the first round with our second pick. I'm OK with reaching for Geno Smith but he is the ONLY QB I would be willing to reach for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guru View Post
    I don't think ANY team will want to trade up to the #1 slot so we have to go BPA with that pick and then trade back into the first round with our second pick. I'm OK with reaching for Geno Smith but he is the ONLY QB I would be willing to reach for.
    Agreed, I would actually be alright with drafting the top rated offensive lineman, although I understand that is seldom, if ever, done. To bad we couldn't have sucked this bad last year so we could have had a shot at Luck or RG3.


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    we need to win a couple of games to drop 5 spots then we won't have this problem
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