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    This is not the 2012 draft which was chalk full of good QB prospects. No, this is 2013 with one of the weakest QB draft classes in recent memory. Wouldn't you know it... our beloved Chiefs will probably have the #1 pick. But of course they do. This is a franchise that rarely drafts QBs (ESPECIALLY in the first round) and when they do, the picks never turn out the way we hoped. So, naturally, when the Chiefs find themselves in the coveted #1 position to take a franchise QB, there isn't an overwhelmingly easy pick to make.

    So, what are the options?

    This list is my own opinion of who will be in the draft and who should be considered in the first 2 rounds. They are also ranked from greatest to least according to my own opinion and NOT necessarily the order in which they'll be drafted.

    Tyler Wilson, 6'3 220lb. Arkansas

    "Skill-Set Summary: Wilson has the look of an NFL quarterback. He stands tall in the pocket and reads defenses well. The decision-making he displayed as a junior was very impressive.

    Wilson has a strong arm and is an accurate passer. He showed the ability last season to push the ball outside the numbers and move the ball down the field with precision passes. With his size, arm and intellect, the Arkansas signal-caller will most likely be viewed as a possible safe pick to scouts.

    While Wilson is a pocket passer, he is not a complete statue. He can move around to buy himself time and take advantage of openings with his legs. It is clear that Wilson is not a running quarterback who will rack up big rushing totals. However, he has enough athleticism to keep a defense honest and avoid some sacks with his legs."

    -Charlie Wilson- WalterFootball.com


    I think Tyler Wilson should be the QB the Chiefs target. He is the closest thing to a prototypical QB as there is in this draft. His senior season didn't live up to expectations, but with all the drama surrounding Petrino in the offseason, it's at least understandable. That being said, it wasn't like he was horrible either. His rating only dropped from 148 to 143 and threw 6 more picks (probably a result from trying to do too much to help his team during a transitional season). He has a career completion percentage better than 60% and is usually sitting in the 63-65% range.

    Here is an article by bleacherreport.com suggesting Wilson could be the steal of the draft: Arkansas Football: Why Tyler Wilson Will Be the Steal of the 2013 NFL Draft | Bleacher Report

    NFLsfuture.com thinks his name will be called sometime around picks 10-15 and also have a good scouting report here: Tyler Wilson Scouting Report

    The report isn't necessarily what you'd want from your QBOTF, but remember, there isn't an Andrew Luck in this draft.


    Mike Glennon, 6'7 235lb. North Carolina St.

    His size says Joe Flacco. His strengths say Phillip Rivers with a better motion and stronger arm. His ceiling is probably Matt Shaub. Mel Kiper thinks he could be first off the board if his development progresses well between now and the draft. There's definitely something to take note of with this guy. Glennon has put up monster numbers in a mediocre program at NCSt. Personally, I don't think he's as sure of a bet as Wilson who was successful in the SEC, but I do think he's a better bet than Geno Smith.

    Here's the best scouting report I found: Can Mike Glennon be a first rounder? | Inside The War Room | Mock Drafts & Scouting Reports


    Aaron Murray 6'1, 211lbs. Georgia (Junior)

    No guarantee he's coming out, but if someone gets in his ear and tells him he could be the first QB off the board in a weak QB class, he could declare. I think Murray has just as good of a chance being the first QB taken as anyone else in the '13 draft. Draws comparisons to Drew Brees and with QB size becoming less and less of a factor. He's 6'1, which isn't Doug Flutie short, but it's not Joe Flacco either. Murray has been a starter since he was a redshirt freshman. There's not REAL flaw to his mechanics, foot work, or mobility. Makes good reads with a high completion percentage. He can obviously lead his team to winning seasons. Looks like a winner with no real reason to believe his game wouldn't translate to the next level.

    Scouting report: Aaron Murray 2013 NFL Draft mini scouting report - National NFL Draft | Examiner.com


    Geno Smith 6'3, 220lbs. West Virginia

    Now, we get to Geno Smith. The consensus "top QB" in the draft if you just pay attention to mock drafts. If Smith had finished the season the way he started, I'd probably be all about drafting him. However, I have a tough time trusting any players from the Virginia area. They always seem to come out with immense talent, but don't have the maturity or the smarts to stay out of trouble. I worry about the attitude and culture from that talent base which seems to have be a "me first" kind of attitude. His performance in Austin left a bad taste in my mouth after he was talking trash with fans and UT recruits as the game was being played.

    Looking at his season as a whole, it seems like he got a taste of success during the early part of the season and let it get to his head, which then affected the rest of his year. I've seen Smith and Wilson play about the same amount over the last couple years. I saw Wilson more last year and Smith a bit more this season. I think the total package that Wilson presents is much better overall than the athletic ability offered by a Geno Smith selection. I wonder if some of the scouting done on Smith isn't the mind playing tricks on people. There seems to be this thought pattern that Geno Smith is this year's RGIII... and he's not. Smith is not a Vick/RGIII type QB. He's mobile, but not a home run hitter. Think of him as a Steve Young type when it comes to mobility.

    Overall, I think Geno Smith is NOT a player worth the #1 overall selection. I worry about his game translating because even though some reports say he can make all the throws, I haven't seen what I'd want out of my franchise QB when it comes to the intermediate routes. Smith in the first round would be a bigger gamble, in my opinion, than Dontari Poe was at #13. I honestly think someone is going to get burned with this guy because of the RGIII comparisons and people expecting Smith to be a different player than what he actually is.

    Scouting Report: Geno Smith Scouting Report


    Matt Barkley 6'2, 220, USC

    What ever happened to Matt Barkley? The next great hype out of USC.

    "Skill-Set Summary: Barkley is an extremely well-developed passer with good anticipation and field vision. He is a smart quarterback who is adept at reading defenses and knowing where to go with the ball. Barkley has been prepared well for the NFL as he has operates a pro-style West Coast offense under Lane Kiffin.

    Barkley is not a complete statue in the pocket, but he is not a running quarterback who brings a running threat to the table. Barkley has a quality arm, but it doesn't look like as if he has an elite cannon for an arm.

    Barkley has excellent intangibles. He is a team leader and a studious, hard worker. Outside of football Barkley does a lot of charity work. He hasn't had any public trouble and looks like an ideal face of the franchise for an NFL team."

    -Charlie Wilson- WalterFootball.com

    Matt Barkley, in my mind, is the enigma of the 2013 draft. What is he? Is he an elite, franchise-shouldering QB, or is he a flame out like multiple other USC QBs around the league? Barkley is the ultimate boom or bust QB prospect. I'd like to believe he could be the steal of the draft if he's taken in the 2nd round. If Barkley had lived up to his potential in 2012, he'd be the easy #1 pick in the draft. But, he didn't live up to expectations and on top of that, he was injured and missed the last few games of the season. So now, evaluators have to make a decision on whether to draft Barkley based on potential or results. Unlike some of the other QBs in this draft, Barkley has had pro-quality players around him and hasn't been able to do much with it.

    Scouting Report: WalterFootball.com: 2013 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Matt Barkley


    Ryan Nassib 6'2 220lbs. Syracuse

    Ryan Nassib could be this draft's Aaron Rogers/Matt Flynn. He'll probably be a 2nd round pick that a team could draft and develop... into an elite QB. I wouldn't be shocked to see him go late in the first or late in the 2nd where he could step into a solid backup role behind a well-established starter like Matt Shaub or Matt Ryan. There's very little to like about this QB other than his height... which really isn't that bad. Anything negative you can say about this QB is just nit-picking. If the Chiefs are serious about addressing the QB position, would it be absolutely horrible to see them take 2 QBs in the first 2 rounds? In my mind, it would at least let us know that they are serious about correcting the problem. You could do worse than Matt Cassel showing these kids how to be a professional QB. I think Cassel is going to be a great QB coach/OC someday... if not head coach.

    Scouting Report: TheFootballExpert.com Ryan Nassib, QB, Syracuse


    Tyler Bray is another name that could pop up as the offseason grinds on, but I think he's more of a draft and develop type player. Some people are thinking that with his size, he could be the next Peyton Manning but I just don't see it right now. Manning would've been the #1 overall pick if he had come out a year earlier... Bray isn't in the conversation right now.

    E.J. Manuel is another name you will hear but even with all of his great physical attributes, he makes worse decisions than JaMarcus Russell. I don't think he's ready to contribute right away and that's what the Chiefs are looking for. E.J. Manuel is another draft and develop type player. He's at least 3-5 years away.



    We have 5 MAYBE 6 guys who are going to be the topic of conversation when we discuss the QBs in this draft. Now, as we sit here on the 23rd of December, where are these 6 guys projected to be taken in the draft? My 5 favorite mock drafts are, Walterfootball.com, CBS.com, Drafttek.com, Draftcountdown.com, and footballsfuture.com. Below, I've ranked the QBs in order according to their current mock selected average among these 5 mock drafts.

    1. Geno Smith- 3
    2. Tyler Wilson- 18
    3. Matt Barkley- 19
    4. Mike Glennon- 41
    5. Ryan Nassib- 44
    6. Aaron Murray- NR (hasn't declared)

    I think you will see the draft positions all get smaller as we approach the draft, but I expect the QBs to be taken off the board in that order with Mike Glennon perhaps jumping Barkley and Murray jumping Nassib if he chooses to declare. I anticipate a QB to be taken in the top 3. Odds are that it'll be Smith. This may give the Chiefs an opportunity to trade down and accumulate more picks if someone really wants to jump up and snag Smith ahead of Jacksonville or perhaps trade up for Te'o, Jarvis Jones, or someone else. The cost of acquiring the #1 pick overall is steep and will only net the Chiefs a swap of firsts, a 2nd and probably another later pick if not more, so it's gonna be a pretty BIG deal if the Chiefs are able to move out of that #1 pick.

    Which teams in the draft need a QB upgrade?

    1. Kansas City
    2. Jacksonville
    7. Arizona
    10. Buffalo
    12. Cleveland
    15. New York Jets

    Amazing, right? All 6 teams in the bottom half of the league... shocking.

    If the Chiefs want Tyler Wilson but not at #1 overall, they probably can't trade down any further than #6 with Tennessee because Arizona needs a QB desperately, as does Jacksonville. The question is going to be who do the Chiefs value more going forward as their franchise QB and where do they think they can get him? Could the Chiefs draft the best player available at #1 overall and land their guy with #33? Or, are the Chiefs going to have to take their QB #1 overall? Perhaps they get a chance to trade down and take their QB later in the top 10. There are a few different scenarios that could play out, but these are the guys they have to evaluate and decide on. The free agent market doesn't have an answer and there aren't too many backup QBs worth trading for. But, the teams listed above are the ones the Chiefs are going to have to deal with if they're going to land a new face of the franchise.

    Hopefully, the Chiefs can find a way to maximize their value while landing the guy they want instead of what has happened the last few drafts where Pioli absolutely didn't care about value as long as he filled a hole in his mind.
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    Let's take one isolated incident of Geno throwing up a gang sign to a crowd that heckled him the whole game to conclude that he is a supporter of "drugs, gang violence, and murder." Great analysis, folks.

    Can you guys provide me w/ any run-ins with the law he's had? Failed drug tests? Proof that he is even in a gang? I used to throw up gang signs b/c I thought it was cool to do. Was I in a gang? Not even close.

    Most importantly, the only people bringing this up are people on this board (who don't want him). A google search for this turns up very few results (one is a fan's account at what happened, saying that the Texas fans were just brutal towards him). Nobody cares about this except for the people who want to overreact and attack him rather than his play on the field.

    The Big 12 is weak? What about Geno's stats in 2011 (rivaled RG3's in terms of passing). Any way you swing it, he's got the highest ceiling of any QB in this draft based on the physical tools he has. Arm strength, accuracy, pocket presence...Andy Reid would do great things with him.
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    "On November 21, 2008, Newton was arrested for the theft of a laptop computer from another University of Florida student. He was subsequently suspended from the team after the laptop was found to be in his possession.[10] Campus police "tracked the stolen laptop to the athlete...Newton tossed the computer out his dorm window in a humorously ill-advised attempt to hide it from cops."[11] All charges against Newton were dropped after he completed a court-approved pre-trial diversion program. "I believe that a person should not be thought of as a bad person because of some senseless mistake that they made," said Newton in 2010. "I think every person should have a second chance. If they blow that second chance, so be it for them."[12] Newton announced his intention to transfer from Florida three days before the Gators' national championship win over Oklahoma.[8]" - Cam Newton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Obviously this is evidence of the kind of person Cam Newton has turned out to be, eh? He definitely shouldn't have gone first overall...

    Again, any isolated incidents of Geno Smith being arrested or having trouble w/ the law? For a gang banger, I'm sure there are tons of examples.
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    Now accepting any and all evidence that shows that Geno Smith is indeed involved in a gang.

    Not like the Chiefs wouldn't interview him as well as character witnesses before they took him 1st overall. I'm sure they are just to also be under the assumption that Geno is in fact a gang banger b/c he flashed a gang sign.

    Y'all are fools.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryfo18 View Post
    Let's take one isolated incident of Geno throwing up a gang sign to a crowd that heckled him the whole game to conclude that he is a supporter of "drugs, gang violence, and murder." Great analysis, folks.

    Can you guys provide me w/ any run-ins with the law he's had? Failed drug tests? Proof that he is even in a gang? I used to throw up gang signs b/c I thought it was cool to do. Was I in a gang? Not even close.

    Most importantly, the only people bringing this up are people on this board (who don't want him). A google search for this turns up very few results (one is a fan's account at what happened, saying that the Texas fans were just brutal towards him). Nobody cares about this except for the people who want to overreact and attack him rather than his play on the field.

    The Big 12 is weak? What about Geno's stats in 2011 (rivaled RG3's in terms of passing). Any way you swing it, he's got the highest ceiling of any QB in this draft based on the physical tools he has. Arm strength, accuracy, pocket presence...Andy Reid would do great things with him.
    I agree. People are making a mountain out of a molehill. Once he meets with NFL people & they tell him "quit that", I doubt it'll be an issue, ever again.

    It's what Andy Reid thinks of him come draft day that counts. Just about every draft board out there has Geno rated in the top 15 as far as BPA, and QB's always shoot up the board come draft day. If Geno is the guy that they want, then I don't believe they can risk moving down. Jacksonville might very well like Geno well enough to take him at #2.

    No question that Geno is the top rated QB at this point, but I'm keeping an open mind to Tyler Wilson as well. Wilson might be the better pro than Smith when it's all said & done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryfo18 View Post
    Let's take one isolated incident of Geno throwing up a gang sign to a crowd that heckled him the whole game to conclude that he is a supporter of "drugs, gang violence, and murder." Great analysis, folks.

    Can you guys provide me w/ any run-ins with the law he's had? Failed drug tests? Proof that he is even in a gang? I used to throw up gang signs b/c I thought it was cool to do. Was I in a gang? Not even close.

    Most importantly, the only people bringing this up are people on this board (who don't want him). A google search for this turns up very few results (one is a fan's account at what happened, saying that the Texas fans were just brutal towards him). Nobody cares about this except for the people who want to overreact and attack him rather than his play on the field.

    The Big 12 is weak? What about Geno's stats in 2011 (rivaled RG3's in terms of passing). Any way you swing it, he's got the highest ceiling of any QB in this draft based on the physical tools he has. Arm strength, accuracy, pocket presence...Andy Reid would do great things with him.


    You are showing ignorance of the "isolated" incident. Kids die every day over that sign dude. They get shot. They don't get oh he being heckled, they get shot. Seen it happen, have you. You sit in suburbia or away from this scene and act as if it was just an incident. Had Geno flipped the bird or mooned the texas fans it would be different.

    If this sign is relatively meaningless to you and those that say its just an incident. Then to flash it in a low income neighborhood. i know for a fact you won't have the balls to go throw it a neighborhood where people know that sign. Come on its just a sign and he only threw it once and if you believe that I have some magic beans for sale.

    Go to my profile page there is a pic, top right corner. If you can figure it out go flash and tell the people that take offense to it you flashing it was a "one time incident"

    This is exactly what's wrong with this country. You are defending someone who did something and represents something that has been responsible for the deaths of thousands of young men. How in the hell did he learn it then? I know who taught me and I wouldn't flash that sign for a thousand dollars in a public place .

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    Quote Originally Posted by brdempsey69 View Post
    Exactly what I've been suggesting. Double-dip at the QB position in the draft this coming April. Never before have they done this that I'm aware of & now is the perfect time.

    Not saying that they may not have other needs, but QB is the biggest one. Fix that first.

    Thanks for the vid of Tyler Wilson, BTW. He very well could rise up the Chiefs draft board.
    YW, No prob. In the day & age of youtube there's no excuse for picking somebody because of mock draft hype or school.

    Wilson looks like he'd be a good fit for KC. His style of play looks like he can improvise and think on his feet when things break down. But I guess the next big question would be, is he a Reid type of qb?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nigeriannightmare View Post
    You are showing ignorance of the "isolated" incident. Kids die every day over that sign dude. They get shot. They don't get oh he being heckled, they get shot. Seen it happen, have you. You sit in suburbia or away from this scene and act as if it was just an incident. Had Geno flipped the bird or mooned the texas fans it would be different.

    If this sign is relatively meaningless to you and those that say its just an incident. Then to flash it in a low income neighborhood. i know for a fact you won't have the balls to go throw it a neighborhood where people know that sign. Come on its just a sign and he only threw it once and if you believe that I have some magic beans for sale.

    Go to my profile page there is a pic, top right corner. If you can figure it out go flash and tell the people that take offense to it you flashing it was a "one time incident"

    This is exactly what's wrong with this country. You are defending someone who did something and represents something that has been responsible for the deaths of thousands of young men. How in the hell did he learn it then? I know who taught me and I wouldn't flash that sign for a thousand dollars in a public place .
    All I'm asking is for proof that him flashing that sign makes him a gang member. Am I to believe you? Or the many people surrounding Geno that will back up his work ethic/character and the fact that he's never had a run in with the law?

    What it boils down to is you having one thing to pick on. The guy made a mistake, and by all means it will mean that teams do extra homework on him. If nothing turns up, then I don't see it as any reason at all not to take him at #1 overall. You want to crucify the guy over flashing a gang sign to 1000 relentless heckling fans. As long as the Chiefs do their homework and have no reason to believe he's a high risk for bad behavior (and again, him never getting in trouble w/ the law would also indicate this), then it's nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryfo18 View Post
    All I'm asking is for proof that him flashing that sign makes him a gang member. Am I to believe you? Or the many people surrounding Geno that will back up his work ethic/character and the fact that he's never had a run in with the law?

    What it boils down to is you having one thing to pick on. The guy made a mistake, and by all means it will mean that teams do extra homework on him. If nothing turns up, then I don't see it as any reason at all not to take him at #1 overall. You want to crucify the guy over flashing a gang sign to 1000 relentless heckling fans. As long as the Chiefs do their homework and have no reason to believe he's a high risk for bad behavior (and again, him never getting in trouble w/ the law would also indicate this), then it's nothing.
    We as normal citizens don't have proof other than what he's showed us in that 1 time event. Could there be more once teams start digging deeper? maybe, maybe not. Does it mean he's involved with a gang? Again maybe, maybe not. Come the background and interviews that will be determined later. But the issue that I have with it is you can throw up any sign, hell any other gang sign, any other area code or county sign that people have. but the BLOOD sign is big dude, i can't even explain how big it is to throw that sign. I'm trying to think of an example, Say for instance we have our military salute, and other countries have theirs, but then you have the nazi salute. Which everyone knows what it means and what it stands for, the bloods sign to me would be on that level of seriousness. Now if we do our homework on him, he passes with flying colors, and he grows up and shows that he can grow up and we determine he is the guy, then fine lets take him, but i want every rock uncovered before we do.

    As far as your comparison with cam newton, that kid was a punk all thru college, cheating, getting paid, and still being a punk in NFL throwing team and others under the bus and not being a leader at all. DO NOT WANT, i've never liked cam newton always thought of him as a selfish prick. And so far he's not doing anything to prove me otherwise. Can he get straightened out? maybe but would i want my team to take that risk? nope

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    Quote Originally Posted by fairladyZ View Post
    We as normal citizens don't have proof other than what he's showed us in that 1 time event. Could there be more once teams start digging deeper? maybe, maybe not. Does it mean he's involved with a gang? Again maybe, maybe not. Come the background and interviews that will be determined later.
    And this is all I'm trying to say.
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    i never once said he IS involved with a gang, all i've said is he has that thug attitude and threw up a gang sign that has troubled this country for how many years? how many people have died for and because of that gang sign? how much drugs corruption and murder is responsible for that sign? It's bad man it's really really really bad and dumb sign to throw, and you dont' just throw it because your wound up. Anybody that has a clue about that sign would NEVER throw it up publicly without either A) being stupid as **** or B) being tied up in it.

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