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    This is not the 2012 draft which was chalk full of good QB prospects. No, this is 2013 with one of the weakest QB draft classes in recent memory. Wouldn't you know it... our beloved Chiefs will probably have the #1 pick. But of course they do. This is a franchise that rarely drafts QBs (ESPECIALLY in the first round) and when they do, the picks never turn out the way we hoped. So, naturally, when the Chiefs find themselves in the coveted #1 position to take a franchise QB, there isn't an overwhelmingly easy pick to make.

    So, what are the options?

    This list is my own opinion of who will be in the draft and who should be considered in the first 2 rounds. They are also ranked from greatest to least according to my own opinion and NOT necessarily the order in which they'll be drafted.

    Tyler Wilson, 6'3 220lb. Arkansas

    "Skill-Set Summary: Wilson has the look of an NFL quarterback. He stands tall in the pocket and reads defenses well. The decision-making he displayed as a junior was very impressive.

    Wilson has a strong arm and is an accurate passer. He showed the ability last season to push the ball outside the numbers and move the ball down the field with precision passes. With his size, arm and intellect, the Arkansas signal-caller will most likely be viewed as a possible safe pick to scouts.

    While Wilson is a pocket passer, he is not a complete statue. He can move around to buy himself time and take advantage of openings with his legs. It is clear that Wilson is not a running quarterback who will rack up big rushing totals. However, he has enough athleticism to keep a defense honest and avoid some sacks with his legs."

    -Charlie Wilson- WalterFootball.com


    I think Tyler Wilson should be the QB the Chiefs target. He is the closest thing to a prototypical QB as there is in this draft. His senior season didn't live up to expectations, but with all the drama surrounding Petrino in the offseason, it's at least understandable. That being said, it wasn't like he was horrible either. His rating only dropped from 148 to 143 and threw 6 more picks (probably a result from trying to do too much to help his team during a transitional season). He has a career completion percentage better than 60% and is usually sitting in the 63-65% range.

    Here is an article by bleacherreport.com suggesting Wilson could be the steal of the draft: Arkansas Football: Why Tyler Wilson Will Be the Steal of the 2013 NFL Draft | Bleacher Report

    NFLsfuture.com thinks his name will be called sometime around picks 10-15 and also have a good scouting report here: Tyler Wilson Scouting Report

    The report isn't necessarily what you'd want from your QBOTF, but remember, there isn't an Andrew Luck in this draft.


    Mike Glennon, 6'7 235lb. North Carolina St.

    His size says Joe Flacco. His strengths say Phillip Rivers with a better motion and stronger arm. His ceiling is probably Matt Shaub. Mel Kiper thinks he could be first off the board if his development progresses well between now and the draft. There's definitely something to take note of with this guy. Glennon has put up monster numbers in a mediocre program at NCSt. Personally, I don't think he's as sure of a bet as Wilson who was successful in the SEC, but I do think he's a better bet than Geno Smith.

    Here's the best scouting report I found: Can Mike Glennon be a first rounder? | Inside The War Room | Mock Drafts & Scouting Reports


    Aaron Murray 6'1, 211lbs. Georgia (Junior)

    No guarantee he's coming out, but if someone gets in his ear and tells him he could be the first QB off the board in a weak QB class, he could declare. I think Murray has just as good of a chance being the first QB taken as anyone else in the '13 draft. Draws comparisons to Drew Brees and with QB size becoming less and less of a factor. He's 6'1, which isn't Doug Flutie short, but it's not Joe Flacco either. Murray has been a starter since he was a redshirt freshman. There's not REAL flaw to his mechanics, foot work, or mobility. Makes good reads with a high completion percentage. He can obviously lead his team to winning seasons. Looks like a winner with no real reason to believe his game wouldn't translate to the next level.

    Scouting report: Aaron Murray 2013 NFL Draft mini scouting report - National NFL Draft | Examiner.com


    Geno Smith 6'3, 220lbs. West Virginia

    Now, we get to Geno Smith. The consensus "top QB" in the draft if you just pay attention to mock drafts. If Smith had finished the season the way he started, I'd probably be all about drafting him. However, I have a tough time trusting any players from the Virginia area. They always seem to come out with immense talent, but don't have the maturity or the smarts to stay out of trouble. I worry about the attitude and culture from that talent base which seems to have be a "me first" kind of attitude. His performance in Austin left a bad taste in my mouth after he was talking trash with fans and UT recruits as the game was being played.

    Looking at his season as a whole, it seems like he got a taste of success during the early part of the season and let it get to his head, which then affected the rest of his year. I've seen Smith and Wilson play about the same amount over the last couple years. I saw Wilson more last year and Smith a bit more this season. I think the total package that Wilson presents is much better overall than the athletic ability offered by a Geno Smith selection. I wonder if some of the scouting done on Smith isn't the mind playing tricks on people. There seems to be this thought pattern that Geno Smith is this year's RGIII... and he's not. Smith is not a Vick/RGIII type QB. He's mobile, but not a home run hitter. Think of him as a Steve Young type when it comes to mobility.

    Overall, I think Geno Smith is NOT a player worth the #1 overall selection. I worry about his game translating because even though some reports say he can make all the throws, I haven't seen what I'd want out of my franchise QB when it comes to the intermediate routes. Smith in the first round would be a bigger gamble, in my opinion, than Dontari Poe was at #13. I honestly think someone is going to get burned with this guy because of the RGIII comparisons and people expecting Smith to be a different player than what he actually is.

    Scouting Report: Geno Smith Scouting Report


    Matt Barkley 6'2, 220, USC

    What ever happened to Matt Barkley? The next great hype out of USC.

    "Skill-Set Summary: Barkley is an extremely well-developed passer with good anticipation and field vision. He is a smart quarterback who is adept at reading defenses and knowing where to go with the ball. Barkley has been prepared well for the NFL as he has operates a pro-style West Coast offense under Lane Kiffin.

    Barkley is not a complete statue in the pocket, but he is not a running quarterback who brings a running threat to the table. Barkley has a quality arm, but it doesn't look like as if he has an elite cannon for an arm.

    Barkley has excellent intangibles. He is a team leader and a studious, hard worker. Outside of football Barkley does a lot of charity work. He hasn't had any public trouble and looks like an ideal face of the franchise for an NFL team."

    -Charlie Wilson- WalterFootball.com

    Matt Barkley, in my mind, is the enigma of the 2013 draft. What is he? Is he an elite, franchise-shouldering QB, or is he a flame out like multiple other USC QBs around the league? Barkley is the ultimate boom or bust QB prospect. I'd like to believe he could be the steal of the draft if he's taken in the 2nd round. If Barkley had lived up to his potential in 2012, he'd be the easy #1 pick in the draft. But, he didn't live up to expectations and on top of that, he was injured and missed the last few games of the season. So now, evaluators have to make a decision on whether to draft Barkley based on potential or results. Unlike some of the other QBs in this draft, Barkley has had pro-quality players around him and hasn't been able to do much with it.

    Scouting Report: WalterFootball.com: 2013 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Matt Barkley


    Ryan Nassib 6'2 220lbs. Syracuse

    Ryan Nassib could be this draft's Aaron Rogers/Matt Flynn. He'll probably be a 2nd round pick that a team could draft and develop... into an elite QB. I wouldn't be shocked to see him go late in the first or late in the 2nd where he could step into a solid backup role behind a well-established starter like Matt Shaub or Matt Ryan. There's very little to like about this QB other than his height... which really isn't that bad. Anything negative you can say about this QB is just nit-picking. If the Chiefs are serious about addressing the QB position, would it be absolutely horrible to see them take 2 QBs in the first 2 rounds? In my mind, it would at least let us know that they are serious about correcting the problem. You could do worse than Matt Cassel showing these kids how to be a professional QB. I think Cassel is going to be a great QB coach/OC someday... if not head coach.

    Scouting Report: TheFootballExpert.com Ryan Nassib, QB, Syracuse


    Tyler Bray is another name that could pop up as the offseason grinds on, but I think he's more of a draft and develop type player. Some people are thinking that with his size, he could be the next Peyton Manning but I just don't see it right now. Manning would've been the #1 overall pick if he had come out a year earlier... Bray isn't in the conversation right now.

    E.J. Manuel is another name you will hear but even with all of his great physical attributes, he makes worse decisions than JaMarcus Russell. I don't think he's ready to contribute right away and that's what the Chiefs are looking for. E.J. Manuel is another draft and develop type player. He's at least 3-5 years away.



    We have 5 MAYBE 6 guys who are going to be the topic of conversation when we discuss the QBs in this draft. Now, as we sit here on the 23rd of December, where are these 6 guys projected to be taken in the draft? My 5 favorite mock drafts are, Walterfootball.com, CBS.com, Drafttek.com, Draftcountdown.com, and footballsfuture.com. Below, I've ranked the QBs in order according to their current mock selected average among these 5 mock drafts.

    1. Geno Smith- 3
    2. Tyler Wilson- 18
    3. Matt Barkley- 19
    4. Mike Glennon- 41
    5. Ryan Nassib- 44
    6. Aaron Murray- NR (hasn't declared)

    I think you will see the draft positions all get smaller as we approach the draft, but I expect the QBs to be taken off the board in that order with Mike Glennon perhaps jumping Barkley and Murray jumping Nassib if he chooses to declare. I anticipate a QB to be taken in the top 3. Odds are that it'll be Smith. This may give the Chiefs an opportunity to trade down and accumulate more picks if someone really wants to jump up and snag Smith ahead of Jacksonville or perhaps trade up for Te'o, Jarvis Jones, or someone else. The cost of acquiring the #1 pick overall is steep and will only net the Chiefs a swap of firsts, a 2nd and probably another later pick if not more, so it's gonna be a pretty BIG deal if the Chiefs are able to move out of that #1 pick.

    Which teams in the draft need a QB upgrade?

    1. Kansas City
    2. Jacksonville
    7. Arizona
    10. Buffalo
    12. Cleveland
    15. New York Jets

    Amazing, right? All 6 teams in the bottom half of the league... shocking.

    If the Chiefs want Tyler Wilson but not at #1 overall, they probably can't trade down any further than #6 with Tennessee because Arizona needs a QB desperately, as does Jacksonville. The question is going to be who do the Chiefs value more going forward as their franchise QB and where do they think they can get him? Could the Chiefs draft the best player available at #1 overall and land their guy with #33? Or, are the Chiefs going to have to take their QB #1 overall? Perhaps they get a chance to trade down and take their QB later in the top 10. There are a few different scenarios that could play out, but these are the guys they have to evaluate and decide on. The free agent market doesn't have an answer and there aren't too many backup QBs worth trading for. But, the teams listed above are the ones the Chiefs are going to have to deal with if they're going to land a new face of the franchise.

    Hopefully, the Chiefs can find a way to maximize their value while landing the guy they want instead of what has happened the last few drafts where Pioli absolutely didn't care about value as long as he filled a hole in his mind.
    Last edited by Coach; 12-30-2012 at 11:41 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fairladyZ View Post
    I'm with nigeriannightmare on this. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with race, it has everything to do with what he did. I too grew up around it and know what the blood symbol means and stands for. Players throw up hand gestures and signs all the time but the BLOOD symbol is a VERY VERY VERY Significant hand gesture with a VERY VERY VERY significant meaning behind it. THat is one symbol you don't throw up just because your pumped up or hyped up. NOBODY would get away with throwing that sign up in certain neighborhoods. You wouldn't make it 3 blocks before you got shot if you did that in certain neighborhoods. Some of the worst crime in this country has been over that symbol and the crips symbols and ways of life, Notorious BIG, Tupac are 2 prime examples of what happens when situations like the 1 geno put himself into comes up. What to say geno with his new found money and being on top of the world isn't partying in downtown KC and throws that sign because he gets all amped up over a confrontation? You guys do remember what just happened with belcher. you really think this organization needs another incident? You guys bash larry johnson for his antics, you think geno will be different? larry johnson spit in a womens face that was harassing him, but is it going to be ok when geno gets into a brawl and lord knows the outcome while he's throwing a blood symbol? The kids just got trouble written all over him

    Geno get his "thug" image from that blatant idiotic gesture he did throwing that sign, and also his antics on the field and on the sideline when things aren't going his way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by texaschief View Post
    He went to school 20 minutes from San Antonio. I watched him play my high school 3 different seasons. What he did at A&M is exactly what he did at Kerrville Tivy in high school. He's only a redshirt freshman and will probably stay at A&M till after his Senior year. I don't think he'll be a high draft pick if he does go to the NFL. His size is lacking in a big way and if he starts to put on size, he'll lose a lot of his speed and quickness that he relies on. He's not a prima donna. He's young and hasn't really known what it's like not to be successful. Tivy was amazing while he was there and now A&M is seeing what he's capable of as well. I could see people comparing him to Tim Tebow when it's time for him to be drafted... but, he could also get Steve Young comparisons as well.

    The only reason i used the word prima Donna it was a nickname given to him and then that whole arrest incident. I don't know squat about him. If he weren't a prima donna, he may have gone some where outside of Texas. Lou holz said he was interested in Oregon. Damn can you imagine that team. Ill take your word on it. He is a helluva football player anyway you stretch and only played four teams that were in the top 10. His body of work warrants more success than Geno's prima Donna or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fairladyZ View Post
    I'm with nigeriannightmare on this. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with race, it has everything to do with what he did. I too grew up around it and know what the blood symbol means and stands for. Players throw up hand gestures and signs all the time but the BLOOD symbol is a VERY VERY VERY Significant hand gesture with a VERY VERY VERY significant meaning behind it. THat is one symbol you don't throw up just because your pumped up or hyped up. NOBODY would get away with throwing that sign up in certain neighborhoods. You wouldn't make it 3 blocks before you got shot if you did that in certain neighborhoods. Some of the worst crime in this country has been over that symbol and the crips symbols and ways of life, Notorious BIG, Tupac are 2 prime examples of what happens when situations like the 1 geno put himself into comes up. What to say geno with his new found money and being on top of the world isn't partying in downtown KC and throws that sign because he gets all amped up over a confrontation? You guys do remember what just happened with belcher. you really think this organization needs another incident? You guys bash larry johnson for his antics, you think geno will be different? larry johnson spit in a womens face that was harassing him, but is it going to be ok when geno gets into a brawl and lord knows the outcome while he's throwing a blood symbol? The kids just got trouble written all over him

    Geno get his "thug" image from that blatant idiotic gesture he did throwing that sign, and also his antics on the field and on the sideline when things aren't going his way.
    What I don't think you're considering is being "in the moment" when your in the moment that you have the juices flowing you're not thinking about everything the consequences for your actions are the last thing on your mind.It happens to High school kids around the country all the time when there playing sports. It happens to other college players yearly as well.

    IMO there's a big difference from what Geno did to what LJ did. And LJ didn't just do that once. He had more then 1 issue with a woman in a nightclub amoung other things. He repeated thoses actions as far as I know Geno hasn't But As I've stated I don't watch much and I have never met the kid.

    Now I think it's 100% fair to say we need to look at his character if we are thinking about taking him. That's just part of all the pre draft so and there's a reason. And if after meeting with him they think there could be issues going forward avoid I would agree. I just think we are doing a little to much judging of someone in one moment I just don't think that's fair. But that's just my opinion
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    Quote Originally Posted by matthewschiefs View Post
    What I don't think you're considering is being "in the moment" when your in the moment that you have the juices flowing you're not thinking about everything the consequences for your actions are the last thing on your mind.It happens to High school kids around the country all the time when there playing sports. It happens to other college players yearly as well.

    IMO there's a big difference from what Geno did to what LJ did. And LJ didn't just do that once. He had more then 1 issue with a woman in a nightclub amoung other things. He repeated thoses actions as far as I know Geno hasn't But As I've stated I don't watch much and I have never met the kid.

    Now I think it's 100% fair to say we need to look at his character if we are thinking about taking him. That's just part of all the pre draft so and there's a reason. And if after meeting with him they think there could be issues going forward avoid I would agree. I just think we are doing a little to much judging of someone in one moment I just don't think that's fair. But that's just my opinion
    Now i could understand being heated in the moment and doing something stupid, but throwing a blood sign in that moment goes to show it's in his mentality. If he would have snapped in the heat of the moment and thrown a water bottle into the crowd it would have been, well ok he is a hot head maybe he needs some anger management and maybe we can get him to grow up and realize that. The fact he threw a NOTORIOUS gang symbol means he's involved with it, knows what it is and what it stands for, and endorses it aswell as what it stands for. And me and any other normal, everyday hard working american that obey's the law and works our *** off to make a living that we want DO NOT condon or endorse it and i think it's down right embarrassing for him and his fans honestly.

    The LJ arguement is relative cause it happened to LJ how many years after he came into the NFL and got paid? Geno's already headed down a FAR FAR FAR worse path and he's still in college, can you endorse bringing him to run your franchise knowing what me and nigeriannightmare are talking about? I guaran-fing-tee that if you knew have the history, and meaning, behind that sign he flashed you would be just as adimit about it as we are

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    Quote Originally Posted by matthewschiefs View Post
    Now I think it's 100% fair to say we need to look at his character if we are thinking about taking him. That's just part of all the pre draft so and there's a reason. And if after meeting with him they think there could be issues going forward avoid I would agree. I just think we are doing a little to much judging of someone in one moment I just don't think that's fair. But that's just my opinion
    I'm looking at this, his character issues will come out in the interview process if they are there. There is a lot to go forward on as the draft approaches and with the pick we have our scouting team needs to do a lot of appraisal of character and skill for the positions we need. The QB position is a position we have needed for quite a long time now. Geno will be looked at, I guarantee that, but so will the other top players. I'm just saying he's gonna be looked at thoroughly and should be. Don't worry the other guys will be too.

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    Does anyone else see a VASTLY DISTINGUISHABLE difference between Geno Smith and Casey Printers?

    Both around 6'2, 215lbs
    Both throw good long balls
    Both relatively mobile

    Geno 70% completion percentage in a dink and dunk offense passing for 4000 yards and 40 PASSING TDs in his last year with WVU.

    Printers 65% completion percentage in an option offense passing for 4621 yards and 37 PASSING TDs his last year with TCU.

    Both tend to throw the ball with a side-arm action.

    Oh, wait... I found the difference... Printers was left-handed.

    Stupid Me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texaschief View Post
    Does anyone else see a VASTLY DISTINGUISHABLE difference between Geno Smith and Casey Printers?

    Both around 6'2, 215lbs
    Both throw good long balls
    Both relatively mobile

    Geno 70% completion percentage in a dink and dunk offense passing for 4000 yards and 40 PASSING TDs in his last year with WVU.

    Printers 65% completion percentage in an option offense passing for 4621 yards and 37 PASSING TDs his last year with TCU.

    Both tend to throw the ball with a side-arm action.

    Oh, wait... I found the difference... Printers was left-handed.

    Stupid Me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by texaschief View Post
    Does anyone else see a VASTLY DISTINGUISHABLE difference between Geno Smith and Casey Printers?

    Both around 6'2, 215lbs
    Both throw good long balls
    Both relatively mobile

    Geno 70% completion percentage in a dink and dunk offense passing for 4000 yards and 40 PASSING TDs in his last year with WVU.

    Printers 65% completion percentage in an option offense passing for 4621 yards and 37 PASSING TDs his last year with TCU.

    Both tend to throw the ball with a side-arm action.

    Oh, wait... I found the difference... Printers was left-handed.

    Stupid Me.
    Oh i forgot about printers, i think he could of been a goid qb

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    Quote Originally Posted by whackojacko58 View Post
    Oh i forgot about printers, i think he could of been a goid qb
    he went back to the CFL and was horrid, not making it in the NFL broke him

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    Quote Originally Posted by fairladyZ View Post
    Now i could understand being heated in the moment and doing something stupid, but throwing a blood sign in that moment goes to show it's in his mentality. If he would have snapped in the heat of the moment and thrown a water bottle into the crowd it would have been, well ok he is a hot head maybe he needs some anger management and maybe we can get him to grow up and realize that. The fact he threw a NOTORIOUS gang symbol means he's involved with it, knows what it is and what it stands for, and endorses it aswell as what it stands for. And me and any other normal, everyday hard working american that obey's the law and works our *** off to make a living that we want DO NOT condon or endorse it and i think it's down right embarrassing for him and his fans honestly.

    The LJ arguement is relative cause it happened to LJ how many years after he came into the NFL and got paid? Geno's already headed down a FAR FAR FAR worse path and he's still in college, can you endorse bringing him to run your franchise knowing what me and nigeriannightmare are talking about? I guaran-fing-tee that if you knew have the history, and meaning, behind that sign he flashed you would be just as adimit about it as we are
    Dang somebody call the serious police.

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