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    Hi, I'm an Andy Reid fan from Philly (started a couple other threads) and a new Chiefs fan. I'm trying to study up on your roster. Can some of you help me out with some of this?

    It looks like you have several very high draft picks on defense who look like busts. Here are my impressions, without knowing much about the Chiefs. You guys can tell me if I'm on the right/wrong track.

    Tyson Jackson: Looks like a bust. Some one who physically would be ideally suited to play 3-4 DE, but has not been in the least bit productive. Probably makes a lot of money. Some one I'm guessing Reid will get rid of when he cleans house. Am I missing something with him? Does he have any redeeming qualities?

    Glen Dorsey: Looks like a bust, but possibly miscast. If Reid brings in a 4-3 DC, possibly Dorsey could excel in that role. He looks like he has an enormous contract. I'm guessing that if they remain a 3-4 team he might get cut. If they switch to a 4-3, the new GM might ask him to take a pay cut, restructure and then compete as a 4-3 DT. Am I reading his situation correctly?

    Dontari Poe: My Eagles drafted DT Fletcher Cox one pick later, who turned out to be a stud. Poe looks like some one who could only play 3-4 NT. Does he have the quickness and motor to play 4-3 DT? Reid likes defensive linemen with "motors" who are relentless on every down. If they switch schemes, I could picture him as trade bait. What are the impressions of him?

    Tamba Hali: I'm a Penn State grad. Love this guy. He's an Andy Reid type of guy with the relentless motor. Seems like he could play both 3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE equally well. Is that correct? He's getting up there in age. I just watched Trent Cole hit 30 and fall off considerably this past season. Hope Hali has a little more left in the tank.

    Dereck Johnson: This guy seems like a stud, but he's 30 years old. Does he call the signals on the defense? Wear the helmet with the headset? If they switch to a 4-3, would he hold up well as the MIKE LB?

    Justin Houston: This seems like the type of guy that Reid would want to build his defense around. A talented/productive young guy. Not much of a cap hit. Problem is, what to do with him if they switch to a 4-3? Seems too small to play DE, and too much of a pure pass rusher to play OLB in a 4-3. Does he have experience as a 4-3 DE in college and does he have a frame to bulk up 10-15 pounds?

    I know that Berry and Flowers are good. The other guys in the secondary need to go? Has Berry lived up to expectations?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyManHali View Post
    You need to tell a player he needs to put pressure on the qb?
    Yes. Especially if his primary job is gap control and stopping the run.

    Why is this so hard to understand? Y'all are all acting like a Dlineman's job is ONLY to get to the QB and THAT'S it. Let's pretend that IS their job. You've got 2 OLBs and 3 Dlinemen rushing to get to the QB. The offense decides to run a draw or screen. Now, they have a shifty RB either one on one at the 2nd level or they're in wide open space at the third level. By then, it's at least a 20 yard gain... EVERY TIME! Put Dexter McCluster one on one in the open field against the best LB in the league (insert name here) and McCluster wins EVERY time.

    It would be an OCs dream to play against a defense that constantly rushed 5 players. Are you kidding me? The Chiefs usually rushed 3 guys and used the DLinemen to control the LOS. Y'all, this is football 101. Tyson Jackson wasn't drafted to be JJ Watt. Dorsey, WAS drafted to be Warren Sapp, but again, this is why I was saying a Pioli hire was bad from the beginning. This defense was built to run a 4-3. Dorsey is out of position in the 3-4 and if he ever gets to play for a 4-3 defense, you'll see what he's capable of. Tyson Jackson should've been a late first round pick. He was never valued to be a top 5 pick. But, Pioli didn't give a rat's *** about value in the draft... and this team shows it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nigeriannightmare View Post
    Okay 2 and 14 one player does not make. If brad Johnson or Trent filter can win a freaking Super Bowl we can all agree its just not one guy. Hell even the mighty Rex Grossman has been to a Super Bowl. Yes the QB position was the WEAKEST and and average QB may have squeaked us out a few more wins.

    But for Christs sake even Jamaal Charles was making careless turnovers. It was just one disaster of a season. NOT ALL BUT ALOT OF THE TURNOVERS WERE THE FAULT OF THE WRS.

    The discipline on this team just wasn't there. The stupid mistakes this team made. Between the turnover or the penalty most of it was due to the inept coaching staff. This was THE worst coaching staff in the league. A good coach and we have 6 wins. A good QB we make the playoffs I get it. But damn we made flat out stupid mistakes all season long. No improvement whatsoever save the D until the Denver game.

    The poor qb play was still too much to overcome. But it wasn't all due to one position.
    Normally, I'd agree with you... but the QBs were really horrible and the Chiefs were probably the worst team in history when it came to turnover differential. It took the team 10 weeks to accomplish their first regulation LEAD. It took them nearly 2 seasons to score a TD on their opening drive. The offense was unbelievably bad and from a play-calling standpoint, the Daboll was handcuffed by what he could call because the QBs were miserably bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justink View Post
    Your right about everything but Flowers being good he is probably a 2 or 3 cb definetly not a starter.
    wow...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FranciscoD'anconia View Post
    Speaking of depth, what was the injury situation like last year? For example, 9 out of 11 Eagles starters on offense were either on IR or out for an extended period this past year and the team, despite the bad record, still moved the ball reasonably well because there was some depth.

    The Chiefs were 2-14. Was that due to injury? What happens when guys go down, which they inevitably will? Can you afford to lose players the caliber of Jason Peters, Desean Jackson and LeSean McCoy all at the same time, plus a bunch of other guys, and still keep ticking?
    We had a few injuries, but nothing major. The biggest injuries came on the OL. At one point, we had a backup C (which was our starting left guard), 2nd backup G, and backup tackle in the game.

    But that was not at all to blame. Bad coaching and play calling, and poor execution were all to blame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justink View Post
    Your right about everything but Flowers being good he is probably a 2 or 3 cb definetly not a starter.
    Flowers?? Are you sure you are talking about the right guy? Flowers is the best cover guy that the Chiefs have in their Defensive backfield. And he's been a full-time starter for 5 seasons and a damn good one at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texaschief View Post
    Normally, I'd agree with you... but the QBs were really horrible and the Chiefs were probably the worst team in history when it came to turnover differential. It took the team 10 weeks to accomplish their first regulation LEAD. It took them nearly 2 seasons to score a TD on their opening drive. The offense was unbelievably bad and from a play-calling standpoint, the Daboll was handcuffed by what he could call because the QBs were miserably bad.
    Oh it was bad. I don't even want to know how many quarters we went without scoring a TD this season. But man every one made a mistake at the most inoppportune time.

    And please tell me you aren't defending Brian daboll and his brilliant game plan to get the ball to jamaal Charles 40 times one week and 5 the next.

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    Quick question for you boys in the know. Why didn't we blitz more this season?

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    Yeah, let me say this about Reid and blitzing.

    Reid is a fan of blitzing A LOT. Jim Johnson blitzed a ton. His successor Sean McDermidt blitzed a ton (less successful at it).

    Then Reid experimented and tried this "wide 9" thing, where you're supposed to be able to get pressure without blitzing. The first year, they led the league in sacks and the second year was this past one, which was a disaster. So for the last two years they didn't blitz much, but I would expect him to go back to what used to work for him and find a guy who's gonna wanna bring it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FranciscoD'anconia View Post
    Yeah, let me say this about Reid and blitzing.

    Reid is a fan of blitzing A LOT. Jim Johnson blitzed a ton. His successor Sean McDermidt blitzed a ton (less successful at it).

    Then Reid experimented and tried this "wide 9" thing, where you're supposed to be able to get pressure without blitzing. The first year, they led the league in sacks and the second year was this past one, which was a disaster. So for the last two years they didn't blitz much, but I would expect him to go back to what used to work for him and find a guy who's gonna wanna bring it.
    Good. We have guys that can bring it. Starting to get excited not gonna lie.

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    and the new DC? likes the 3-4 so all we need is an ILB, CB and S to have a really solid D
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