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    If you haven't been around long, then you probably don't know... I try to do one of these "offseason plans" at the end of each season. I usually do a mock free agency along with a mock draft based on the assumption that I get the guys I want in free agency.

    A little about my philosophy: In free agency, I want younger talent. I'm looking for guys who are coming off their rookie contract or looking for their 3rd contract at the most... anyone older than 28 has to be a special talent with proven longevity, a good locker room presence, and willing to be a mentor.

    In the draft, I use the first 2-4 rounds as an extension of free agency. Any holes I haven't plugged in free agency, I try to address in the first 3 rounds of the draft. After the 3rd round, I'm usually looking for the best player on the board... someone with raw ability who can be groomed to be a starter in the future.

    So, let's get started.

    The Chiefs have hired offense-minded Andy Reid as their new head coach. John Dorsey is their new General Manager and they've tagged Bob Sutton as their next DC. What we know from this group is that Reid likes an offense built around the pass and enjoys having mobile QBs. We know the Chiefs have a desperate need at the QB position and the #1 pick in the draft.

    The scary hire was Bob Sutton. The Chiefs have spent a TON of resources building on the defensive side of the ball. Now, they've hired an offensive HC and a DC who didn't do too well as the DC for the Jets under Mangini. His schemes are bland, no blitzes, poorly designed, and never ranked higher than 16th overall. The Chiefs defense is a unit without a direction and being that Sutton has experience in the Tampa 2 4-3, the 2 gap 3-4, and now the 1 gap 3-4, he seems to be a Defensive Coordinator without a direction as well. This all leads me to believe there won't be too much attention given to the defensive side of the ball.

    I COULD be wrong however because Andy Reid has a history of taking CBs and pass-rushing DEs in free agency and the draft. This could be a good thing considering Tyson Jackson is scheduled to make $14m in 2013 and is a prime target to be cut. The Chiefs also have a need at CB depth as well as at Safety. The Chiefs will also need at least one ILB and may also need to bring in another OLB depending on which defensive scheme they settle on. Glenn Dorsey is also scheduled to be an unrestricted free agent.

    On the flip side, outside of the QB position, the Chiefs will also be looking at WRs with a decision needing to be made on Dwayne Bowe who's scheduled to be an UFA, evaluations needed on Breaston, Baldwin, McCluster, and the rest of the corp in order to effectively address the situation. There's also a decision that needs to be made in regards to Branden Albert who is scheduled to be an UFA as well. The offensive line has substantial depth, but letting Albert walk may require replacing him with a free agent or with the #1 overall pick. The loss of Ryan Lilja shouldn't do much to hurt the O-line, but the next man up needs to be backed up. The offensive line has always been a priority for Andy Reid and this year should be no different.

    So, let's dive into the free agent pool. Top priority: QB
    Not too many options here. With the Chiefs perhaps bringing in Sporano as the O-line coach, one has to wonder if Matt Moore gets a chance to come in and compete. Assuming Flacco doesn't hit the free agent market after taking his team to the AFC Championship (so far), the FA talent pool is MUCH shallower than the extremely shallow QB draft class.

    Offensive Line: The Sporano connection rears its head again. The Chiefs have concerns about Branden Albert's back and what they can expect from him on a long-term deal. Ryan Clady will be the biggest name scheduled to be an UFA, but there's no way Manning allows one of the best pass protectors in the game to walk. The next big name on the list of UFAs is none other than former top pick by the Dolphins, Jake Long. Long also has injury concerns but may be enticed to come play in KC. Andy Levitre is the top OG scheduled to hit the free agent market. Contract talks have gone nowhere in the past between he and the Bills and may get the chance to hit the open market.

    WRs: Greg Jennings, Dwayne Bowe, and Mike Wallace headline the WR crop this season. With the new offense being pass-heavy, I just don't see Reid allowing Bowe to walk. Bowe will be extended and Dorsey will reel in Greg Jennings. With Baldwin and Breaston filling out #3 and #4, the Chiefs will boast one of the best WR corps in the league and will provide the new QB plenty of weapons with which to destroy his opponent.

    TEs: Jared Cook is one of, if not THE most athletic TEs in the league. He has almost ZERO interest in returning to Tennessee and with the new offense centered around the pass in KC, Cook could see this team as a very big opportunity for him to finally break out.

    DL: The Chiefs DL will take a hit this year. Jackson will probably not be here. There's a good chance Dorsey won't have much interest in returning. The defensive side of the ball is going to be the hardest for us to fill out considering that I don't think the Chiefs staff has any idea what defense they want to run yet. I'm going to go out on a limb (where I'm sure I'll be all by myself) and say the Chiefs are going to run a 1-gap 3-4. I realize this is a defense Reid has never run. However, I think this is the defense that the Chiefs are currently best-suited for with Sutton seeing the success Ryan had with it in NY. If the Chiefs run this defense, they have Hali and Houston at DE and Poe inside with DJ at LB. That means they need 3 LBs to fill out the defense. So, there isn't too much need along the DL except for random depth which could be filled by the guys currently on the roster, with late picks in the draft, or free agents after the draft. This defense is the same ran in New York with the Giants AND Jets. Osi Umenyiora is a top pass rushing DE that may hit the FA market. He is 6'3 255 and runs a 4.7 40. Hali is 6'3 270 with a 4.7 40 and Houston is 6'3 258 with a 4.6 40. These guys can handle the position.

    LBs: Anthony Spencer, Phillip Wheeler, Shaun Phillips, and Manny Lawson are the top names on the LB FA market. The Cowboys franchised Spencer last season and Phillips is 31. If they can get one of these guys, I think they'll be in good shape.

    CBs: Chris Houston, Aqib Talib, Leodis McKelvin, Sean Smith, and Dominique Rogers-Cromartie are the top names of the CB FA class. Chris Houston would be my first choice. Talib will probably go back to NE after they win the Super Bowl. I could see this staff going after Rogers-Cromartie from Philly or maybe Sam Shields from Green Bay even though he'll be a RFA.

    S: The Chiefs need a safety who's reliable to put next to Berry in the defensive backfield. Top names on the market are Jairus Byrd, Dashon Goldson, Kenny Phillips, William Moore, Pat Chung, and Loius Delmas. Reid isn't known for spending assets on safeties, so I wouldn't expect much from him at this position. Byrd would be a nice addition, but he'll cost a pretty penny.



    So, here's what I'd do:

    Release Tyson Jackson
    Let Dorsey Walk
    Let Albert Walk
    Re-sign Bowe
    Re-sign Pitoitua

    Free Agent Signings:

    QB- Matt Moore
    WR- Gregg Jennings
    TE- Jared Cook
    OG- Andy Levitre
    LB- Phillip Wheeler
    CB- Dominique Rogers-Cromartie

    Trades:

    Swap 4th rounders with Seattle for QB Matt Flynn

    Seattle's 4th rounder to Baltimore for QB Tyrod Taylor


    Draft:

    1st Round
    LT Luke Joekel Texas A&M

    The Chiefs replace Branden Albert with a less expensive upgrade in Luke Joekel. They get better value with this pick than if they had decided to take a QB #1 overall. Joekel fits into a line that boasts Jon Asamoah, Rodney Hudson, Andy Levitre, and Eric Winston with depth provided by in Stephenson and Allen.

    2nd Round
    ILB Alec Ogletree Georgia

    Ogletree would look GREAT next to DJ inside. Ogletree is a DJ clone. Great sideline to sideline defender with elite speed. He may not be available here, but if he gets passed the Bengals, I think he'll slide. This pick helps with the LB overhaul done by the organization because of their shift from the 2-gap to a 1-gap 3-4.

    3rd Round
    3a. OLB Alex Okafor Texas
    The Chiefs need one more LB for their overhaul and the OLB out of Texas was the lone bright spot on an underwhelming defense. If Okafor is still available in the 3rd, he could be a a steal for the Chiefs.

    3b. (compensation for Carr) WR/QB Denard Robinson Michigan

    There are worse things to draft late in the 3rd than a play-making athlete who has played the QB position. No one thought Russell Wilson could win the job at QB either.

    4th Round *Traded

    5th
    DB Tyrann Mathieu

    Off the field issues should not scare anyone away from top 5 talent in the 5th round. We need another play-maker in the secondary and you couldn't ask for a better one than the "Honey Badger" in the 5th round. (**may be worth a higher pick as we get closer to the draft)

    6th Round
    QB Logan Thomas Virginia Tech

    I know... off the radar, right? Check this out: 6'6 240lb. Bigger than Big Ben, Joe Flacco, and Cam Newton. Newton runs a 4.58, Thomas a 4.67, and Ben a 4.78. Make no mistake, he's definitely a project. Ranked 108 in comp% and 8th in turnovers with a longer than you'd like throwing motion. He'll probably sit for a year or two to refine his craft before he truly competes to be the starter, but if he puts the pieces together, his talent could make him a star. There are worse ways to spend a 6th round pick.

    7th Round
    A.J. Klein ILB Iowa State

    More LB depth for the Chiefs' switch in defensive scheme.


    The QB situation heading into OTAs:
    (in alphabetical order)
    Denard Robinson (Probably WR)
    Logan Thomas (Probably project)
    Matt Cassel (Probably cut)
    Matt Flynn
    Matt Moore
    Ricky Stanzi
    Tyrod Taylor

    WRs:
    Jennings, Bowe, Baldwin, Breaston, McCluster, Hemingway, Newsome, Wylie, *Robinson

    RBs: Charles, Draughn, Gray, McCluster

    O-Line: Joekel, Asamoah, Hudson, Levitre, Winston, Cook, Moeaki

    D-Line: Hali, Poe, Houston, Powe, Pitoitua, Bailey

    LBs: Johnson, Ogletree, Wheeler, Okafor

    CBs: Flowers, Rogers-Cromartie, Arenas

    S: Berry, Matheiu

    I know it's probably not "big splash" approach to the QB position all of us want, but there's just no clear-cut answer for the Chiefs at #1 overall. There are injury questions about Albert and a VERY good LT option worth the #1 overall pick. Allowing Albert to walk clears up more space to sign some key free agents. If the Chiefs are able to turn a 4th round pick into two QBs who can come compete for the position, I think that's great value for that pick. Tyrod Taylor is a younger Mike Vick. If a mobile QB is what Reid wants, I think the better option is to go get a Tyrod Taylor or Pat White with a later round draft pick trade than wasting the first pick on Geno Smith. I think there's at LEAST an average, short-term solution in that group of QBs that could afford the Chiefs a different opportunity to fill the position long-term in the future.

    Think about this for a second: Mike Vick, Tyrod Taylor, Geno Smith, Pat White, Josh Freeman, Jason Campbell, Logan Thomas, E.J. Manual, and Donovan McNabb could all be available to the Chiefs by way of draft, trade, or free agent signing this winter. All of them possess similar attributes. Think about what each of those QBs may cost compared to what they'd bring to the Chiefs and honestly assess which QB presents the greatest value. I'm sorry, but I look at that group of QBs and I just don't see one name that separates himself from the rest of the pack. So why would Geno Smith be worth the #1 overall pick when you could have any of the other guys for MUCH less.




    So, there it is... rip it to shreds like y'all do every year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three7s View Post
    Tyler Wilson Vs Geno Smith - Arrowhead Pride

    Another interesting bit of information in comparing the top two QBs in the draft.
    So, Geno has played good defenses?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryfo18 View Post
    So, Geno has played good defenses?
    Yep, and apparently he's beaten more of them than Wilson.
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    That fan post was so cherry-picked, it's pathetic... because if it's one thing we ALL know, it's that the Big 12 is known for their defense... Do that comp with Wilson on his 2011 team that wasn't dealing with a massive scandal and roster turnover and you'll see VERY different story. Like one where Wilson went 4-2 against top 50 "passing defense" teams and only lost to the 2 BCS Nations Championship contenders who ranked #1 and #8 respectively in TOTAL defense.

    Btw, those 4 "top 50 passing defenses" Wilson lost to averaged a rank of 10th TOTAL defense with the worst being 19th and the best being #1. The best TOTAL defensive team the Big 12 could muster up was 16th and they beat West Virginia. The next best TOTAL defensive team the Big 12 could bring to the party was Texas Tech at #38... who THOROUGHLY DOMINATED West Virginia. Next, we come to Kansas St. ranked 45th TOTAL defense and even though K-State won, it was ONLY by a score of 55-14.

    So, in short... no... Geno Smith NEVER faced a good defense... and when he faced a top 50 defense, he was absolutely destroyed and embarrassed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by texaschief View Post
    So, in short... no... Geno Smith NEVER faced a good defense... and when he faced a top 50 defense, he was absolutely destroyed and embarrassed.
    I'm pretty sure Geno faced the same LSU D Wilson did in 2011, and put up the 2nd most points against that D all season...And threw for 430+ yards against them. But I could be mistaken.

    Your words: NEVER!
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    Quote Originally Posted by texaschief View Post
    That fan post was so cherry-picked, it's pathetic... because if it's one thing we ALL know, it's that the Big 12 is known for their defense... Do that comp with Wilson on his 2011 team that wasn't dealing with a massive scandal and roster turnover and you'll see VERY different story. Like one where Wilson went 4-2 against top 50 "passing defense" teams and only lost to the 2 BCS Nations Championship contenders who ranked #1 and #8 respectively in TOTAL defense.

    Btw, those 4 "top 50 passing defenses" Wilson lost to averaged a rank of 10th TOTAL defense with the worst being 19th and the best being #1. The best TOTAL defensive team the Big 12 could muster up was 16th and they beat West Virginia. The next best TOTAL defensive team the Big 12 could bring to the party was Texas Tech at #38... who THOROUGHLY DOMINATED West Virginia. Next, we come to Kansas St. ranked 45th TOTAL defense and even though K-State won, it was ONLY by a score of 55-14.

    So, in short... no... Geno Smith NEVER faced a good defense... and when he faced a top 50 defense, he was absolutely destroyed and embarrassed.
    Cherry-picked? You act like Geno has never accomplished a single thing in his college career. That 14th ranked D that he "lost" too. Can you tell me who that was again? I'm pretty sure he put up darn near 50 on them. Wait, can't go there, seeing as he "lost".

    The TTU game was probably the worst game of the season for him and it's still far better than any QB's "worst game" would be for us. I don't even care if we draft Geno anymore, I just want a QB. What I do care about is how you constantly trash Geno just because he beat Texas. You constantly demean him while pimping game-managers like Aaron Murray.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Three7s View Post
    What I do care about is how you constantly trash Geno just because he beat Texas.
    Wow I just realized this connection...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryfo18 View Post
    I'm pretty sure Geno faced the same LSU D Wilson did in 2011, and put up the 2nd most points against that D all season...And threw for 430+ yards against them. But I could be mistaken.

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    Cherry-picked? You act like Geno has never accomplished a single thing in his college career. DING DING DING!!!! WE HAVE A WINNER!!!! That 14th ranked D that he "lost" too. Can you tell me who that was again? I'm pretty sure he put up darn near 50 on them. Wait, can't go there, seeing as he "lost".

    No. I can't, actually. What are you talking about? I'm looking at all the "darn near 50" point losing efforts and I can't find a single 14th ranked defense. The OU game from '12? That can't be the game you're talking about because OU ranked 50th. It can't be UT who ranked 74th. Maybe 2011 UConn?

    The TTU game was probably the worst game of the season for him and it's still far better than any QB's "worst game" would be for us. I don't even care if we draft Geno anymore, I just want a QB. What I do care about is how you constantly trash Geno just because he beat Texas. You constantly demean him while pimping game-managers like Aaron Murray.
    I'd take Klein and Landry Jones before I took Geno Smith. Both performed MUCH better than Smith against Texas. In fact, I would've taken RGIII or Weeden in last year's draft as well. I don't give a s#!t about who beats UT. I'm not THAT big of a fan. Not ONCE have I mentioned his beating UT as reason for my disapproval of a Smith pick at #1. It bothers you that I can actually put a lucid anti-Smith argument together, and his beating UT is the best rebuttal you can come up with? Awesome.

    Geno Smith is going to be a garbage QB at the next level. If you want Jason Campbell, why don't you just say so? He's going to be available as a free agent. We don't need to kill this team for the foreseeable future by wasting a pick on his clone when we could just throw away THIS season on a mediocre QB... and then move on.

    But, at least Smith had the balls to show up to the senior bowl and compete against the other QBs in his class... oh, wait. Gotta love a QB prospect who's afraid to be compared to his piers and afraid of competition. IDK about y'all, but that just SCREAMS "winner" to me.

    The fact that you guys are hanging your entire argument on trash stats in losing efforts is laughable. Of course he was going to have big numbers against LSU... when you're getting your *** stomped that bad, passing the ball is the only option. Geno Smith had a 58% completion rate and 2 picks in 2011 against LSU. 7 of WV's 8 first half drives ended in either a punt or a turnover. The majority of Smith's passing yards in that game came when the game was already out of hand. It didn't go any better for Wilson... well, other than a 63% completion rating and only 1 pick. The final score wasn't the same and Wilson didn't put up 2x as many yards... but the result was still the same. Nothing else matters.

    Geno Smith beat 2 teams who have legitimate NFL talent his entire career. Last year's Clemson team (and destroyed that team) and this year's Texas team in the last minute. Two career defining WINNING performances.

    The rest of his career wins came against:

    2011
    Marshall, Norfolk St, Maryland, Bowling Green, UConn, Rutgers, Cincinnati (#23), Pittsburgh, and South Florida

    2012
    Marshall, James Madison, Maryland, Baylor, Iowa St., and Kansas.

    Every other time he was challenged against elite talent that he and his NFL caliber WRs couldn't run away from, he lost... and usually convincingly.

    2011
    #2 LSU 47-21, (NR) Syracuse 49-23, (NR) Louisville 38-35

    2012
    (NR) TxTech 49-14, #4 KSU 55-14, (NR) TCU 39-38, (NR) OSU 55-34, #12 OU 50-49, (NR) Syracuse 38-14

    6 of those 9 losses were by at least 15pts. Y'all are so blinded by his average completion percentage which, is inflated by his performances against inferior talent, that y'all don't even check to see what he did against these teams he LOST against. He performed at a 55% completion rate during his losses. It wasn't like he tore things up and his team just let him down... in fact, it was probably closer to the opposite. I contend that it was BECAUSE of his poor completion percentage and poor performance against better talent that probably caused those losses.

    Does it honestly NOT bother you that Smith only shows up against inferior talent? That argument alone was the sole reason why EVERYONE thought Poe was a reach last year. He had "all the tools" but didn't perform against top talent... ring a bell? Where was this "franchise QB" when his team was getting blown out by unranked teams like Syracuse, TxTech, and OSU? Wouldn't you think a "franchise QB" should have been worth at least 2 more points and "find a way" to beat OU and TCU?

    Bottom line, Geno Smith has only beaten 4 teams who finished the season in the top 25 his whole career. Those teams were ranked 11th, 15th, 23rd, and 25th. Those were his accomplishments. THAT'S IT. Wilson beat 4 teams who finished in the top 25 in 2011 alone, ranked 8th, 9th, 14th, and 15th. Why are you putting so much stock in wins against the severely inferior teams listed above and desperate passing numbers in blowout games in Geno Smith's losses? Why are you dismissing the fact that he can't win against good teams? I'm not interested in a QB who puts up eye-popping numbers in blow-out losses... what's the point??



    Just kidding... my opinion is based solely on the fact that he beat UT... because that's logical.
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    Isn't one of the huge knocks on cassel is that he can only beat on the weaker teams in the NFL but not against the tougher competition?

    kinda sounds familiar doesn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by texaschief View Post
    I'd take Klein and Landry Jones before I took Geno Smith.
    This is all I need to see to know that it's pointless arguing with you.

    We're never going to convince each other, so I'll discuss this with you in 2-3 years (when Geno is hopefully our QB).
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    Sounds good. I remember a similar conversation I had about Pioli when we were talking about hiring him. Turns out, the media darlings aren't always what they're hyped up too be. Pioli, Notre Dame, Obama... sometimes that "gold" is actually just pyrite.

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