Alex Smith v. Tony Romo v. Geno Smith

[texaschief]

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I've been listening to a local radio show here in San Antonio. The host, Geoff Sheen, says that the extension that the Cowboys gave Romo was what his market value currently is. In other words, if Tony Romo had been a free agent this year, that contract is what other teams would have paid to sign Romo. So, I'd like to pose this question to the Kansas City Chiefs fan base:

If Tony Romo were a free agent this year, would you rather have Tony Romo at 6yr/$108m, Alex Smith for 2yr/$9m/600 draft pts, or Geno Smith for 5yr/$4m/3000 draft pts?

[brdempsey69]

So at the end of the day, both Romo and Flacco have won playoff games behind great defenses and Flacco >>>> Romo because he's been fortunate enough to have a great defense behind him every single year he's been in the league. I finally get it!

And if you really think that if you put a passer who is statistically on another level from Flacco in behind a great defense and you wouldn't get similar, if not better results....well then, I have nothing more to say. Once again, Romo has won a playoff game behind a top 3 defense too (2009)!

And it's not just 1 playoff game where Flacco didn't show up! His first 5 playoff games he threw ONE touchdown and SIX interceptions and had a 3-2 record!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And behind your clouded logic it's impossible to draw the conclusion that a quarterback is a little bit overrated (and worse than Romo) because he was fortunate enough to win some playoff games that he had ZERO to do with? ONE TOUCHDOWN, SIX INTERCEPTIONS. 3-2!!!!

You think he's greater than Romo because he's been fortunate enough to have a top 3 defense in his first 4 seasons and a top 12 defense last year, despite him being statistically much worse? Really? If you put Romo behind a top 3 defense on a consistent basis with one of the best head coaches in the league the Cowboys wouldn't have a shot at having the success that the Ravens had? Really? Romo's won a playoff game behind a top 3 defense? What was that? Fluke? And if Rahim Moore isn't a complete moron are you seriously making this case for Joe Flacco today? If you can't get it past your thick head that Romo is at the very least equal to Joe Flacco in terms of QB ability, I'm sorry that logic has failed you and you have to be a stubborn mule to accept it.

And, of course, the complete omission of the other 8 post-season games played by Flacco to try illustrate your point. You fail. And you're looking like an individual that sticks one finger in his mouth, one finger in his arse, rotates those fingers whenever he hears a bird chirp, and tries to walk on his elbows in the same given moment.

Your long-winded trash does not change my analysis of why I would prefer Flacco -- his record in the post-season on the road. You can spin it any way you want to, and you can throw in all the hypothetical trash that you want to, but it doesn't change what's actually happened on the football field or what Flacco has accomplished. All that hypothetical stuff you're putting out is like saying "your aunt would be your uncle, is she had testicles" -- that's all it amounts to.

The part about "ONE TOUCHDOWN, SIX INTERCEPTIONS. 3-2" further illustrates what I said about points on the scoreboard being more important than passing stats alone, because 3-2 is still a winning percentage and doesn't take away from 4-0 in 2012.

As for Rahim Moore, how do we know that he didn't temporarily lose the ball in the stadium lights when it was in the air? Were you standing right behind him on the field as that play was unfolding? No, you weren't and neither was anybody else.

And I never said Romo was greater or lesser than Flacco. I said my preference was Flacco because of post-season road record and he's younger. Again, you are pulling things out of your arse & I can't help but wonder if that's where you're also getting your breakfast, lunch, and dinner from, as well.

[Lord-Chiefy]

Romo sucks.. over rated!@

[Justin5772002]

To me it's all about turnovers. The more ints and fumbles a QB has means his team is probably going to lose. I would prefer a QB with one TD a game and no turnovers, then one who has 2 Tds and one turnover. To me that shos awareness and intelligence. That's why I like Alex Smith I feel he won't turn the ball over very often and also turnovers has been tony romo's downfall!
Stats do not necessarily show true either. In cassels defense alot of his throws were tipped off out wrs hands and into the defenses hands to me those don't count. If that happens alot with different receivers then there's a problem on ball placement that's what killed cassel

[doobs_05]

Player	Team	INT	HM/ End Q4	Drop/ Def INT	Tip INT	Adj INT	Pass Att (no DPI)	INT Rate	Adj Rate
14-R.Lindley	ARI	7	0	2	0	9	171	4.1%	5.3%
3-B.Weeden	CLE	16	0	10	0	26	517	3.1%	5.0%
19-J.Skelton	ARI	9	1	2	0	10	200	4.5%	5.0%
8-M.Hasselbeck	TEN	5	0	6	0	11	221	2.3%	5.0%
12-A.Luck	IND	18	1	14	1	30	620	2.9%	4.8%
6-M.Sanchez	NYJ	18	0	5	2	21	452	4.0%	4.6%
6-J.Cutler	CHI	14	0	6	0	20	435	3.2%	4.6%
7-C.Henne	JAC	11	3	6	0	14	305	3.6%	4.6%
10-E.Manning	NYG	15	0	9	0	24	536	2.8%	4.5%
5-J.Freeman	TB	17	0	8	1	24	556	3.1%	4.3%
14-R.Fitzpatrick	BUF	16	0	5	0	21	503	3.2%	4.2%
9-N.Foles	PHI	5	0	8	2	11	264	1.9%	4.2%
10-J.Locker	TEN	11	1	4	1	13	315	3.5%	4.1%
Player	Team	INT	HM/ End Q4	Drop/ Def INT	Tip INT	Adj INT	Pass Att (no DPI)	INT Rate	Adj Rate
7-M.Vick	PHI	10	0	4	0	14	349	2.9%	4.0%
9-T.Romo	DAL	19	1	8	1	25	646	2.9%	3.9%
7-C.Ponder	MIN	12	0	7	0	19	484	2.5%	3.9%
7-M.Cassel	KC	12	1	2	3	10	270	4.4%	3.7%
14-A.Dalton	CIN	16	1	5	1	19	525	3.0%	3.6%
3-C.Palmer	OAK	14	0	8	2	20	564	2.5%	3.5%
9-D.Brees	NO	19	1	8	3	23	667	2.8%	3.4%
17-P.Rivers	SD	15	1	4	0	18	526	2.9%	3.4%
17-R.Tannehill	MIA	13	0	3	0	16	482	2.7%	3.3%
5-J.Flacco	BAL	10	0	7*	0	17	531	1.9%	3.2%
9-M.Stafford	DET	17	0	7	1	23	723	2.4%	3.2%
1-C.Newton	CAR	12	0	3	0	15	484	2.5%	3.1%
9-B.Quinn	KC	8	1	0	1	6	198	4.0%	3.0%
Player	Team	INT	HM/ End Q4	Drop/ Def INT	Tip INT	Adj INT	Pass Att (no DPI)	INT Rate	Adj Rate
3-R.Wilson	SEA	10	1	5	2	12	397	2.5%	3.0%
7-B.Roethlisberger	PIT	8	0	5	0	13	443	1.8%	2.9%
8-M.Schaub	HOU	12	0	3*	0	15	544	2.2%	2.8%
7-C.Kaepernick	SF	3	0	3	0	6	218	1.4%	2.8%
2-M.Ryan	ATL	14	0	3*	1	16	615	2.3%	2.6%
10-R.Griffin	WAS	5	0	5	0	10	395	1.3%	2.5%
18-P.Manning	DEN	11	0	3	0	14	581	1.9%	2.4%
11-A.Smith	SF	5	0	0	0	5	219	2.3%	2.3%
8-S.Bradford	STL	13	1	0	0	12	544	2.4%	2.2%
11-B.Gabbert	JAC	6	0	1	1	6	278	2.2%	2.2%
12-A.Rodgers	GB	8	0	4	1	11	551	1.5%	2.0%
4-K.Kolb	ARI	3	0	0	0	3	183	1.6%	1.6%
12-T.Brady	NE	8	0	5*	3	10	634	1.3%	1.6%
*Does not include one pass that was dropped/tipped by the receiver and then also dropped by a defender.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/sta...rceptions-2012

This is a chart of QBs interceptions adjusted by tipped by WRs (-1 to total) and dropped by defenders (+1 to total) and Hail Mary INTs (-1)

[texaschief]

Wow, Romo. At least you're not making Tom Brady money... oh wait.

[Ryfo18]

This is great, especially given that most know my thoughts on Geno (and now Romo):

That’s it! Geno Smith is Tony Romo! The streaks, the lapses, the rhythm passes, the highlights, the head-scratchers, the athleticism, the polarization. He’s Romo, and he takes too much blame when things go wrong for his team, even though he deserves some of that blame. He can develop into a quarterback who wins five or six games per year for his team all by himself, then loses about two or three all by himself, then plays at a fairly high level in the other eight. Like Romo’s Cowboys, that can result in 13-3 seasons or 6-10 seasons, depending on who is surrounding him.

Romo is a good quarterback, often a great one. Is he a student of the game? It depends on who you talk to, when you talked to them, and what they felt like telling you. For Romo, that sort of talk is irrelevant now. Someday, it will be for Smith, too.

[brdempsey69]

This is great, especially given that most know my thoughts on Geno (and now Romo):

But, this is better:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/2...e-a-top10-pick

[Ryfo18]

But, this is better:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/2...e-a-top10-pick

I have never been a Pete Prisco fan. He's very trolly with his opinions to elicit responses. He's the same guy that claims Percy Harvin isn't anything special...

That said, the guy has an opinion. He may be right, he may be wrong. I've watched enough tape of Geno though to know that I like him and I disagree w/ Pete re: Geno as a top 10 pick. I'll stand behind it and let it play out.

This once happened:



(30 second mark is where this gets good)

So that's why I don't put much stock into other's opinion on unknown prospects when I can watch and form my own. I was as high as anyone on Russell Wilson last year, and hey, that turned out pretty well.

[Ryfo18]

I found another guy that liked Brian Brohm:

They're wrong about Brohm. He's the best quarterback in this draft, better than Boston College's Matt Ryan, who will be the first quarterback taken.

He's also the headliner of my annual "Better-Than" Team, made up of players I think are better than most of the scouts do.

- Pete Prisco

[brdempsey69]

Ryfo, all the Brian Brohm vid tells anyone is that any QB prospect can bust. Including Geno Smith. And as for Russell Wilson, there are no guarantees whatsoever that Wilson would have had the same success if KC had drafted him, that he had in Seattle. What's the Chiefs track record for drafting QB's since 1970? That's right, ZERO (0) for 17. And with that, you've got to ask yourself one logical question:

Does it make sense to chance going 0 for 18 with spending the #1 on Geno Smith, especially with the Chiefs having already traded for Alex Smith? You know full good and well the answer to that one -- it doesn't, at all. Besides, the QB classes in 2014 and 2015, may be much better than this years & they might be in a better position to double-dip at the QB position in one of those drafts like I've suggested before. Therefore, it's much more logical to start off by getting a player that has the potential to become a kingpin at LT & try to get the front wall in front of the QB built first.