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    The Kansas City Chiefs will have a top 3 defensive backfield, #1 rushing attack from a year ago, the best OT tandem in the league, the best LB corp in the league, 2/3 of the D-line were drafted in the top 15 overall. TWO first round picks at wideout, and a suddenly above average QB in an offensive system that consistently ranked in the top half of the league in Philly.

    WHAT IN THE WORLD ARE YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT??? I promise that the other 11 teams that will make the playoffs this season don't have that kind of talent to claim heading into this season.




    Stay Calm and Go Chiefs

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    Quote Originally Posted by matthewschiefs View Post
    I'm still hopeful that Baldwin can be worth the 1st round pick. He will now have an NFL level coaching staff so we shall see how that helps. As well as the 3rd season is known as the make or break year for a guy. I know there are some who have given Baldwin a bust label but I don't think he's there just yet.
    There are very few young WR's who come in and make an immediate impact and live up to expectations. Those that do are usually guys like Calvin or Andre. It took Bowe a few years to get where the Chiefs needed him to be. This will be his 3rd season. I wouldn't "give up" on him until after his 5th season at least. You can't teach talent and this guy has it in spades. This will his 3rd offensive system, 3rd OC, and 3rd head coach as he enters his 3rd season as a pro. Give him a couple years in the same system before you make up your mind about a kid.

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    Denver is still the team to beat. They have the king of regular season QBing in manning who makes everyone around him better. If our DB's do not pan out, denver (and maybe the rest of the league)will be passing all over us

    We were 0-6 in the AFC West last year. And in the past 6 years we are 11-25, Oak. 17-19, SD 25-11, and Den. 19-17. Looks like we need to learn how to beat these teams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by texaschief View Post
    According to Bill Williamson of ESPN, the Chiefs have NINE of the top 20 players in the AFC WEST.



    Denver only had 7. You have to be looking REALLY hard for flaws on this team to keep you from feeling optimistic about this season. Not making this list are the first round picks the past three drafts. Fisher and Poe should make next year's list. Baldwin is still young enough to put things together and be the elite #2 option the Chiefs wanted from him. This new offensive system that actually throws the ball to large bodies should benefit Baldwin immensely.

    The holes are obvious:

    Questionable qb- We know that when the opposing team scores points, Alex Smith doesn't win.

    Questionable corner opposite of Flowers (Sean Smith had perhaps the worst year of all the corners in 12)

    Lackluster defensive line


    The bottomline is the defense is going to have to play well for us to win. Alex Smith isn't going to be able to win if he's down early.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyManHali View Post
    The holes are obvious:

    Questionable qb- We know that when the opposing team scores points, Alex Smith doesn't win.

    Questionable corner opposite of Flowers (Sean Smith had perhaps the worst year of all the corners in 12)

    Lackluster defensive line


    The bottomline is the defense is going to have to play well for us to win. Alex Smith isn't going to be able to win if he's down early.
    You're the only one questioning those things. Doesn't exactly mean they're obvious holes. The Chiefs boast 2 first round picks and 2 pro bowl DE/OLB's on their DL. There aren't too many teams in the league who can say that. You have no idea what Smith can do in Reid's system. The Chiefs won't have to rely on Smith to win them games with the collection of offensive talent to help carry the load. Sean Smith will no longer be covering #1 WR's. You don't think that counts for something? Get a hold of yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texaschief View Post
    You're the only one questioning those things. Doesn't exactly mean they're obvious holes. The Chiefs boast 2 first round picks and 2 pro bowl DE/OLB's on their DL. There aren't too many teams in the league who can say that.
    With these same players in 2012 the Chief's defense accomplished the following.

    • Gave up 19 runs of 20+ yards not many teams can say that. In fact only 1 team gave up more and 2 other teams gave up 19.
    • Only had 27 sacks again, not many teams can say their defense was only able to sack the QB 27 times or less. 2 Teams, Jax & Oak had less sacks and one other team had 27.
    • Had only 7 ints only one other team can boast in taking the ball away 7 times.
    • Gave up 29 passing TDs and only 5 teams gave up more.
    • Gave up 8.0 yds/pass only two teams were worse with NYG & NO giving up 8.1 yds/pass
    • Gave up 135.7 yds rushing per game only 5 teams gave up more.


    Let's stop looking at the hype and look at production, KC defense is as overrated as it comes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by otf View Post
    With these same players in 2012 the Chief's defense accomplished the following.

    • Gave up 19 runs of 20+ yards not many teams can say that. In fact only 1 team gave up more and 2 other teams gave up 19.
    • Only had 27 sacks again, not many teams can say their defense was only able to sack the QB 27 times or less. 2 Teams, Jax & Oak had less sacks and one other team had 27.
    • Had only 7 ints only one other team can boast in taking the ball away 7 times.
    • Gave up 29 passing TDs and only 5 teams gave up more.
    • Gave up 8.0 yds/pass only two teams were worse with NYG & NO giving up 8.1 yds/pass
    • Gave up 135.7 yds rushing per game only 5 teams gave up more.


    Let's stop looking at the hype and look at production, KC defense is as overrated as it comes...
    All very good points.

    It would be interesting to see at what point in the in those games the defensive production declined. A case might be made that in the majority of those games the second half is where our defensive performance was at it's worst. This could leave one to a reasonable conclusion that the defense was spent at half time having been on the field for much of the first half due to inept offensive performance.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefster View Post
    All very good points.

    It would be interesting to see at what point in the in those games the defensive production declined. A case might be made that in the majority of those games the second half is where our defensive performance was at it's worst. This could leave one to a reasonable conclusion that the defense was spent at half time having been on the field for much of the first half due to inept offensive performance.
    Would be worth exploring, but looking at the ToP stats on NFL.com Chiefs had the ball on average 30:20 per game. So if the Defense was on field a significant amount of the first half one would have to reason they were not on the field much in the 2nd half. Although if there were a lot of big plays in the 2nd half, that would explain it...


    ToP stats on NFL.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by otf View Post
    Would be worth exploring, but looking at the ToP stats on NFL.com Chiefs had the ball on average 30:20 per game. So if the Defense was on field a significant amount of the first half one would have to reason they were not on the field much in the 2nd half. Although if there were a lot of big plays in the 2nd half, that would explain it...


    ToP stats on NFL.com

    The truth is the defense just wasn't that great last year first or 2nd half. So many Chiefs fans wanted to put last year on the QB spot well it was a lot worse then that. The Offense hurt the D with turnovers but there were a lot of games where the D just plan stunk up the place even without the turnovers. They Made Josh Freeman one Sunday afternoon look like a hall of fame QB and His WRS look like Hall of famers as well. It was horrible. The whole team was horrible. That points to coaching. There were times the D played outstanding. There were times the offense moved the ball well. Those times were just few and far between. The biggest problem the 2012 Chiefs had was the coaching staff. They never put this team in a spot where they could do well. The MNF game John Gruden was literally laughing at the offense playcalling of the Chiefs on the air. I was screaming all of this all last season but some just wanted to focus on the QB spot. While the QBs hurt the team big time the coaching was FAR FAR worse. They went out and got a proven NFL head coach who has been to the playoffs more then a few times. They went out and got really the best QB they could in a year where the QB draft class was WEAK. They have addressed there main needs. How it works out remains to be seen. This team has potential to be really good. But that was said last season as well. It will be interesting to see how it plays out
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    Quote Originally Posted by matthewschiefs View Post
    The truth is the defense just wasn't that great last year first or 2nd half. So many Chiefs fans wanted to put last year on the QB spot well it was a lot worse then that. The Offense hurt the D with turnovers but there were a lot of games where the D just plan stunk up the place even without the turnovers. They Made Josh Freeman one Sunday afternoon look like a hall of fame QB and His WRS look like Hall of famers as well. It was horrible. The whole team was horrible. That points to coaching. There were times the D played outstanding. There were times the offense moved the ball well. Those times were just few and far between. The biggest problem the 2012 Chiefs had was the coaching staff. They never put this team in a spot where they could do well. The MNF game John Gruden was literally laughing at the offense playcalling of the Chiefs on the air. I was screaming all of this all last season but some just wanted to focus on the QB spot. While the QBs hurt the team big time the coaching was FAR FAR worse. They went out and got a proven NFL head coach who has been to the playoffs more then a few times. They went out and got really the best QB they could in a year where the QB draft class was WEAK. They have addressed there main needs. How it works out remains to be seen. This team has potential to be really good. But that was said last season as well. It will be interesting to see how it plays out
    I will agree that there seemed to be numerous times, now that I think about it, that it appeared as if the defense just gave up, and it was usually in the second half if I remember properly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by otf View Post
    Would be worth exploring, but looking at the ToP stats on NFL.com Chiefs had the ball on average 30:20 per game. So if the Defense was on field a significant amount of the first half one would have to reason they were not on the field much in the 2nd half. Although if there were a lot of big plays in the 2nd half, that would explain it...


    ToP stats on NFL.com
    One possible explanation might be that once the game was put out reach; opposing teams sat on the lead in the second half implementing a vanilla type of “ground it out” kind of game and rested their starters. This, however, is merely conjecture on my part.


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