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    I want to start out by saying that I am not a Chiefs fan, but I do have a great respect for the team and Andy Reid. The Chiefs have made it further than anyone could have ever dreamed and they deserve it too. All that aside, with your upcoming game in Denver, I have to voice one concern...

    Alex Smith.

    Now before you call me a "hater," hear me out. I am a 49ers fan that wanted badly for Alex to do good and when Harbaugh came in, my wishes seemed to come true. The team made it all the way to the NFC Championship game and the Super Bowl was just around the corner. Of course, as you all know, Kyle Williams had something to say about that (2 muffed punts). To me, however, Kyle Williams did not deserve all the blame. Alex Smith was only 1 for 13 on third downs, 1 for 13! Still, all the focus was on Kyle Williams.

    The point I am trying to make here is that the Chiefs with Alex might, with enough heart, get past Denver this upcoming Sunday and, down the road they might even win a playoff game with Alex, but the Super Bowl is just not a plausible goal with him. The Chiefs, as far as I can tell, are just like the 2011 49ers, except with a weaker run game. Although Alex Smith might not blatantly lose you a play-off game, he will set you up for a loss. It might be in the form of a fumble from Charles or a muffed punt, after Alex puts the team in that situation by, say, going 1 for 13 on third downs. After the loss, the blame will not be on Alex, but you will know, just like I did 2 years ago, that he is to blame.

    I hope I am wrong about this, I really do (You do not know how bad I want to see a 49ers-Chiefs Super Bowl). Still, I know you know, deep down inside, that Alex is a liability.

    Again, I am sorry.

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    I dont think you're telling us anything we dont already know. Alex was the best we could get at the time. He is not a franchise QB. But with the right stuff around him I think this team can be a Super Bowl contender. Alex is great at one thing, not losing the game. Also, we dont know what he can do because we have never had to come from behind more than a touchdown. Every time this team needed something they got it whether it was a goal line stop or a touchdown. They do what they need to do and take zero chances doing it. It may not be exciting but it is effective. And a chiefs 49ers Super Bowl would be great. I say if we can get home field advantage through the playoffs we have a good shot at it.

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    Sorry, but there are good many 49er fans that believe if Alex had been their QB in that last SB against the Ravens, that the Niners would have won.

    Any QB can have games where they don't have success on 3rd downs, but those 2 muffed punts DID cost the 49ers that game, as it provided the Giants with scoring opportunities they never should have had that made the difference in that game. If those muffed punts hadn't occurred and the Niners had won, it's my belief they would have beaten the Pats with Alex at the helm in the SB. Besides, didn't Alex make some great plays the week before against the Saints to help them get to that NFC title game?

    Alex has held up very well under pressure in KC and we are aware that Alex cannot do the blocking for his O-Line or catch the ball for his receivers. The Chiefs O-Line hasn't really stepped up, nor have the Chiefs receivers stepped up to help Alex out....yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brdempsey69 View Post
    Sorry, but there are good many 49er fans that believe if Alex had been their QB in that last SB against the Ravens, that the Niners would have won.

    Any QB can have games where they don't have success on 3rd downs, but those 2 muffed punts DID cost the 49ers that game, as it provided the Giants with scoring opportunities they never should have had that made the difference in that game. If those muffed punts hadn't occurred and the Niners had won, it's my belief they would have beaten the Pats with Alex at the helm in the SB. Besides, didn't Alex make some great plays the week before against the Saints to help them get to that NFC title game?

    Alex has held up very well under pressure in KC and we are aware that Alex cannot do the blocking for his O-Line or catch the ball for his receivers. The Chiefs O-Line hasn't really stepped up, nor have the Chiefs receivers stepped up to help Alex out....yet.
    I agree with almost all of this post except the "catching for the receivers" part. The blame for our passing problems, IMO, divides thus:

    50% O-line
    25% receivers
    25% Alex Smith

    Smith does need to do his part to bring down those long passes, and be more assertive with the behind the line passes to RBs. A great many of those are too high (long passes) or too short and indecisive (backfield passes). We would have won a bunch of these games more decisively had we not wasted a bunch of those situations.

    Against a team like Denver we will not have the luxury of wasting first down opportunities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankenchief View Post
    I agree with almost all of this post except the "catching for the receivers" part. The blame for our passing problems, IMO, divides thus:

    50% O-line
    25% receivers
    25% Alex Smith

    Smith does need to do his part to bring down those long passes, and be more assertive with the behind the line passes to RBs. A great many of those are too high (long passes) or too short and indecisive (backfield passes). We would have won a bunch of these games more decisively had we not wasted a bunch of those situations.

    Against a team like Denver we will not have the luxury of wasting first down opportunities.
    See the dropped passes by McCluster and Bowe in the Buffalo game for an illustration of what I meant by "catching for receivers".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankenchief View Post
    I agree with almost all of this post except the "catching for the receivers" part. The blame for our passing problems, IMO, divides thus:

    50% O-line
    25% receivers
    25% Alex Smith
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    See the dropped passes by McCluster and Bowe in the Buffalo game for an illustration of what I meant by "catching for receivers".
    I agree. You might be able to divide the incompletions 50-25-25, but the good passes being dropped by Bowe, McCluster and Charles are 100% on the receivers and that is a sizable number. They have also occurred in critical situations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brdempsey69 View Post
    See the dropped passes by McCluster and Bowe in the Buffalo game for an illustration of what I meant by "catching for receivers".
    I did say 25% was receivers fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankenchief View Post
    I did say 25% was receivers fault.
    Regardless, my analysis still stands. Alex can't catch the ball for his receivers when he puts it right on the money and they drop it.

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    Oh boy this again


    Alex Smith is not a qb that you're going to win because of. But he's a good Qb that you can win with. Sure he didn't convert 3rd downs in that game against the Giants. But here's the thing. Despite that he still had his team in position to win the football game. Kyle Williams lost that game not Alex Smith. To argue that is just silly. Kyle Williams took away 2 possessions from the 49ers offense before they even had a chance. That stopped them from having any chance to score. And it gave the Giants 2 chances to score. Like it or not Alex Smith had very little to do with that loss. That's not to say he had nothing to do with the loss. Football is a team game and when you lose every player that played had something to do with it in some way.

    Alex Smith is a good part of the reason that this team is 9-0 and has had the great turnaround that it has. He has taken care of the ball. He has led an offense that for the most part has kept control of the game more then they have made the defense be on the field. That has helped the defense. And he has make Chicken salad out of Chicken well you know a number of times by using his legs to keep drives going. Alex is one of the better parts of the offense. The offense has got to get better Alex included but the Chiefs are winning in part due to Alex Smith.
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    Alex Smith is above average as he proved in SF. He is good at the helm and he doesn't turn the ball over. We can look around the NFL and see the type of QBs that are in the top 5 say, and the mistakes or gambles they take and turn the ball over. Viz the Dallas QB -- he seems to make mistakes that are costly, when it counts. I am not exactly knocking him either because his numbers are up there -- but ill timed turnovers kill winning drives and give up the ball at the exact wrong time.

    Al Smith doesn't do this.

    As far as I am concerned, Al Smith is having the same problem with the offense as QBs in Philly had -- playcalling. Do I think he is in the top 5? no. But he is probably in the top 10. It will all depend upon the KC offense and keep in mind, this team is only 9 games old in experience. We have seen glimpses of what the offense can do. Lets say they go 3-4 the rest of the way. That is 12-4 for a turnaround. Smith has some great players around him on offense and sooner or later the offense will meld -- but I firmly believe that play calling is a problem and this is Reid and Reid has had what I regard, a problem with it. If he doesn't trust his OC to do it, he chose the wrong coordinator.

    The second problem is, with playcalling set up for the passing game, the Chiefs are not using the ground game effectively, hell, they have Charles, Sherman< Davis and others. If you are going west coast or a version of it, you have to run the football. If you are play action, you have to run the football. This playcalling presents a problem to the offensive line -- if I can sit and know they are passing 7 of 10 plays, the defense can as well. This gives the rushers a better opportunity to over come the offensive line -- and they have, forcing Smith out of pocket and not a planned rollout...It is not working because of play calling for these two reasons and if the O-line is failing, then I think it goes back to play calling too.

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    Alex Smith is not a qb that you're going to win because of. But he's a good Qb that you can win with. Sure he didn't convert 3rd downs in that game against the Giants. But here's the thing. Despite that he still had his team in position to win the football game. Kyle Williams lost that game not Alex Smith. To argue that is just silly. Kyle Williams took away 2 possessions from the 49ers offense before they even had a chance. That stopped them from having any chance to score. And it gave the Giants 2 chances to score. Like it or not Alex Smith had very little to do with that loss. That's not to say he had nothing to do with the loss. Football is a team game and when you lose every player that played had something to do with it in some way.

    Alex Smith is a good part of the reason that this team is 9-0 and has had the great turnaround that it has. He has taken care of the ball. He has led an offense that for the most part has kept control of the game more then they have made the defense be on the field. That has helped the defense. And he has make Chicken salad out of Chicken well you know a number of times by using his legs to keep drives going. Alex is one of the better parts of the offense. The offense has got to get better Alex included but the Chiefs are winning in part due to Alex Smith.

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