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    Yep, that's right. I think Elway's a fool for signing Ware and Talib in particular. I'm not alone, several pro analyst articles I've read have more or less said the same...the signings were "risky".

    I don't know why some Chiefs fans are worried and think the donkey signings were so great. Below is a quote from one pro analyst:

    "Ware was just released by the Dallas Cowboys Tuesday afternoon at the official start of the NFL free-agent period: the team didn't want to carry his $16 million salary cap figure for the 2014 season. Ware turns 32 before the start of the season, was hampered by quad injuries and finished with a career low six sacks in a career low 13 games."

    I don't know why some think the signing of Talib was all that great, either. The quote below is from another NFL pro analyst giving thoughts on the donkey's latest signings:

    "Talib is a risk, too. He's had hip injuries and also incurred some off field issues, which ran him out of Tampa Bay just a few years ago. Plus, last we saw of him he was being taken out in the playoff game by the Bronco' Wes Welker on a play Bill Belichick called one of the dirtiest he had ever seen. Clearly, Talib has forgotten, or was charmed by dollar signs, whatever."

    The donkey's signed two injury prone aging players. One of which has had off field issues, too, and another coming off his worst career year ever, and they spent $87 million to sign those two "risky" players. I don't call that making "great" moves on Elway's part, rather, call it foolish.

    Elway's ego has more to do with who he's signing than any other factor. He's trying to make a media splash because his ego LOVES the attention, but he's also trying to redeem himself & the franchise after their pathetic humiliating Super Bowl loss. He's really not that smart of a GM.

    He's been signing aging injury prone players, including Manning, at the end of their careers chasing one Super Bowl win, that's it. He's trying to build a one year SB winning team. He's not preparing for the future, nor for a team that can compete consistently for consecutive seasons. Hey, maybe it's worth it to some, but I'd rather have a wise GM like Dorsey, who builds more through the draft, homegrown young and healthy players who can compete for years to come, and win consistently and for more than one season. I want a Dorsey & Reid dynasty, like Green Bay & the Pats built...not a one year contender.

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    ctchiefsfan,

    You are missing the point. The point is Elway DIDN'T have to overspend for these two guys, because neither of these two guys would have made any difference to the outcome of the last SB and they aren't major upgrades over the two players that they'll be replacing. This isn't the same scenario as Alex Smith upgrading the QB position over Matt Cassel or Peyton Manning upgrading the QB position over Tim Tebow, not by a longshot. And Elway should have been smart enough to see that before handing out these big contracts, but I'm grateful that he wasn't and grateful he proved to everybody that he's not as smart as he'd like everyone to think.

    And Elway run out of Denver? Never happen. His followers are too big of SHEEP to muster the intestinal fortitude to run him out of town.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brdempsey69 View Post
    ctchiefsfan,

    You are missing the point. The point is Elway DIDN'T have to overspend for these two guys, because neither of these two guys would have made any difference to the outcome of the last SB and they aren't major upgrades over the two players that they'll be replacing. This isn't the same scenario as Alex Smith upgrading the QB position over Matt Cassel or Peyton Manning upgrading the QB position over Tim Tebow, not by a longshot. And Elway should have been smart enough to see that before handing out these big contracts, but I'm grateful that he wasn't and grateful he proved to everybody that he's not as smart as he'd like everyone to think.
    brdempsey69.....

    I agree with just about everything you said. But with all due respect, I think you missed my point. I think Elway is running scared. In the last two years he has dumped $38 million into manning and he is certainly going to pay him another $20 million this year. That's $58 million in 3 years. And what does he have to show for it so far? A TRULY EMBARRASSING Super Bowl blowout. Given his history before the NFL handed him 2 Super Bowls I suspect he is waking up in the middle of the night with the cold shakes thinking he may get no return on investment for the $96 million. In short I think that after this last embarrassment he is terrified he is not going to get a Super Bowl for that $96 million bucks. Instead he is worried that manning will turn out to be no better than he was on a level playing field. I think this worthless dweeb is scared shipless. When the NFL didn't hand him this last Super Bowl on a platter he got more scared than a herion addict that lost his dealer.

    Quote Originally Posted by brdempsey69 View Post
    And Elway run out of Denver? Never happen. His followers are too big of SHEEP to muster the intestinal fortitude to run him out of town.
    You may have a point there and I may have gone a little over the top. But tell me true.....once manning and all the other aging vets are gone and the donks are never winning more than 6 games per year for 3-4 years straight how long will it be before donks fans mutiny if the manning money didn't buy them a Super Bowl? And there is no certainty it will.

    I guess the point I am trying to make is that Elway KNOWS he was given 2 Super Bowls and he EXPECTED to be given one this year. And I think he may be terrified that he might have to earn one instead of having to given to him. Just a thought.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctchiefsfan View Post
    brdempsey69.....

    I agree with just about everything you said. But with all due respect, I think you missed my point. I think Elway is running scared. In the last two years he has dumped $38 million into manning and he is certainly going to pay him another $20 million this year. That's $58 million in 3 years. And what does he have to show for it so far? A TRULY EMBARRASSING Super Bowl blowout. Given his history before the NFL handed him 2 Super Bowls I suspect he is waking up in the middle of the night with the cold shakes thinking he may get no return on investment for the $96 million. In short I think that after this last embarrassment he is terrified he is not going to get a Super Bowl for that $96 million bucks. Instead he is worried that manning will turn out to be no better than he was on a level playing field. I think this worthless dweeb is scared shipless. When the NFL didn't hand him this last Super Bowl on a platter he got more scared than a herion addict that lost his dealer.



    You may have a point there and I may have gone a little over the top. But tell me true.....once manning and all the other aging vets are gone and the donks are never winning more than 6 games per year for 3-4 years straight how long will it be before donks fans mutiny if the manning money didn't buy them a Super Bowl? And there is no certainty it will.

    I guess the point I am trying to make is that Elway KNOWS he was given 2 Super Bowls and he EXPECTED to be given one this year. And I think he may be terrified that he might have to earn one instead of having to given to him. Just a thought.......
    Funny that you should refer to him as a DWEEB, because I remember a gal named Gail that I worked with that also called him a DWEEB back in 1990. I really P.O'd Donkeys fans at nfl.com after the SB and really took some shots at Elway when I told Donkeys fans that now their all-time SB record was now 0 wins, 5 losses, and 2 given to them as a going-away present to Elway because he wasn't good enough to earn one outright on a level playing field & telling them Elway was overrated and named a dozen other QB's that I know were better. Especially telling them that SB 48 will always be known to me as the JUSTICE BOWL because the Donkeys and their fans got exactly what they deserved.

    It was especially hilarious telling Elway was an inferior QB to Joe Montana and listed a whole slew of points that they could not refute. Especially what happened in SB 24 with the biggest factor being Montana's great play at QB versus Elway's crummy play at QB in that game.

    Speaking of dweebs, look how Pioli handed out 41 million dollars in contracts to Asamoah and Tyson Jackson. I would have been livid if Dorsey would have paid those two guys that much. They aren't worth it. Walker will probably be an upgrade over Jackson and Asamoah got flatbacked more than any Guard I've ever seen play the game.

    As for Donkeys fans staging a mutiny, like I said, they are too big of SHEEP to do that and will probably just go silent if Elways decisions backfire on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctchiefsfan View Post
    If I may, I'd like to try to inject just a touch of reason into all this sturm und drang.

    I think Connie Jo's calling Elway's recent free agent signings foolish was perhaps a little over the top. In fact, Elway had no choice but to spent every dime he could scrape together on big name free agents. When the donks signed a $96 million contract with manning they made a simple statement. They said "The future is the next 5 years and the success or failure of those 5 years will only be measured by whether we win one or more Super Bowls." Well 2 seasons later, they have spent $38 million on manning and they haven't won a Super Bowl. So by the donks own measurement, the last 2 years have been a failure for them. A $38 million failure.

    They have manning under contract for 3 more seasons. If they don't win a Super Bowl in those 3 years they will have essentially wasted $96 million. Manning isn't getting any younger so Elway had no choice but to "go all in" to try to get some free agents that could help them win a Super Bowl RIGHT DAMN NOW. With the lower end draft picks their record gets them they simply do not have the luxury of trying to draft and develop to fill their needs. Elway has no choice but to try to buy big name free agents to get them over the top and win a Super Bowl. And frankly, if he has to violate the salary cap to do it I am sure he will. Elway has sold the donkey's soul to the devil for a shot at a Super Bowl so he needs to move fast before the devil comes to collect his payment.

    The donkeys are going to spend a good while rotting in the AFC West cellar as a result of what they have done. But that is OK with them SO LONG AS THEY WIN A SUPER BOWL with manning.

    It's a gamble. Nothing more. Some people like that kind of gamble. Some don't.

    I've heard (not in this thread) the manning signing compared to the Chiefs signing Joe Montana. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO COMPARISON! Adjusted for inflation and making it a 5 year contract instead of 3, Montana's contract was approx $43 million for 5 years. We got Montana for less than half what the donks paid for manning. And so far they have ABSOLUTELY no more return on investment than we got.

    So.....did Elway do a smart thing signing manning or was it the stupidist move ever made by a GM? I dunno. Nobody knows yet. But having signed manning to the deal he did, Elway would have been a MORONIC CRETIN not to spend money like a drunken sailor on free agents. Elway took a huge gamble when he signed manning. Once you have made that gamble and been BLOWN OUT in a Super Bowl what choice do you have but to double down on your original bet????? There is no choice.

    Me? I'm pretty happy with Reid/Dorsey. I expect the 2014 season to be a step down (record wise) from 2013 but I honestly think they are building a team that will dominate the AFC West for a decade or more.

    Will that get us a Super Bowl? DUNNO. But I feel pretty confident it will get us more playing time and wins in January than we have seen in a long long time. And I am OK with that.
    I agree with you, and your analysis was more or less my point for calling him "foolish". As I said in my post...Elway's desperately panicking with trying to build a "one year SB team" while he still has Manning, rather he's not concerned with building a team that can compete for years to come. He's not making choices using forethought of the future. In my opinion, it is foolish when you don't invest in your future well being & security, rather invest for immediate gratification. It would be in theory a similar risk to blowing your paycheck at a casino gambling, end up losing all the money, then can't pay your electric bill so it gets shut off. In my mind...such choices are foolish, not wise. The opposite of wise is fool, hence, he's "foolish", hahaha. ;)

    First...I understand many fans impatience with wanting immediate results or instant gratification, considering 1970 was our last SB appearance, but also considering our ever growing impatient society of which a majority expects or demands instant gratification in most life aspects. They see Elway signing a couple big name FA's for $87 million and think they're wise signings that will bring immediate results, then freak out becoming upset because the Chiefs didn't do the same. They're presumptuously giving the donkey's the AFC West in 2014 as such. The point of my post was to give a different perspective of those moves by Elway. Short term wise?...maybe, if those aging injury players make it through 2014. Long term wise?...nope, absolutely "foolish".

    Elway as you say, is desperately trying to win a SB before Manning retires. He's doing it for his own well known arrogant ego to make his mark as a SB winning GM, and also because he thinks that SB will carry him successfully as a GM in the minds of the fans & media for the next decade, while he tries to make up for spending literally millions to buy Manning & the donkey's a Lombardi. He's even more desperate now, because the way he's been trying to win that SB has failed the past two years, and he knows he's running on empty, running out of time. He's also more desperate because they made fools out of themselves with their humiliating SB loss to Seattle, which angered & embarrassed their fans, and he wants to redeem his credibility as a GM even more than he wants to win a SB. Elway has always been about himself first, and he always will be, that's just his nature of personality.

    Some say they at least made it to a SB. Yep, they did, but I can honestly say knowing myself as well as I do...I would rather the Chiefs not make it to a SB than to make it and lose being humiliated and embarrassed, as well as be known for setting negative Super Bowl NFL historical records. I know how embarrassed & bad I felt when the Chiefs set a playoff record for it's loss to Indy. I would've rather we had never made the playoffs than to feel how I felt after that pathetic embarrassing record setting loss. I'm still not completely over the pain of that loss.

    In my opinion, it is foolishly risky to continue spending all the money he has signing aging players with histories of being injury prone, simply with the hope of building a team that is capable of winning one season, or win one Super Bowl before Manning retires. He's been trying that approach for 2 years and failed. The Chiefs made the same mistake using the same theory when they signed Montana. It didn't get us a Lombardi, either. Maybe the third year of risking throwing good money after bad will be his Lombardi charm, but then what? I'll tell you what...he theoretically won't have the money to pay the donkey's electric bill. Was that short term joy worth it if he theoretically can't pay the donkey's electric bill for the next decade? I personally don't think so.

    I'm not in favor of building an aging injury prone team that might win one SB before the QB retires. In my mind, sacrificing long term security & stability for instant gratification is foolish. I'm in favor of building a team as Dorsey & Reid are wisely doing, a young & healthy team built mostly through the draft that can compete consistently long term. I'm willing to sacrifice a couple years of not making it to a SB if that's what it takes to build a team that can compete each season for the next decade.

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    Thanks Connie Jo! You put it pretty damned well.

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    Maybe Elway is on his way out when manning exits, then such moves would be far from foolish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin5772002 View Post
    Maybe Elway is on his way out when manning exits, then such moves would be far from foolish.
    In other words, Elway leaves a big mess there in Denver for somebody else to have to try and clean up. It wouldn't surprise me and just shows everybody how much integrity Elway DOESN'T have.

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    Connie Jo - Like the crafty old carpenter, hit the nail on the head.

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    Someone linked me to this when I asked about their future cap situation:

    http://www.getrealfootball.com/denve...in-now-future/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis_Chiefs View Post
    Someone linked me to this when I asked about their future cap situation:

    http://www.getrealfootball.com/denve...in-now-future/
    Interesting how the article says: "The players will receive all of their guaranteed money in 2014."

    This smacks of the same type of scenario as this:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Sep17.html

    Wonder what their lame excuse is going to be this time.

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