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    The fact that Alex Smith has not already been signed to an extension can only mean that the Chiefs are keeping their options open heading into the draft. The Chiefs brought in Tyler Bray (arguably the QB with the most upside from the 2013 draft class) as an UDFA who has already shown some nice promise. The 2014 draft looks loaded with QB talent. If there is a QB the Chiefs think could be their franchise future there at #23, don't be shocked to see them pull the trigger. They replaced the second most important position on the team last season with their first pick... why wouldn't they do the same thing with their first pick this season?

    The whole decision of whether or not to draft a QB will come down to what they truly think of Tyler Bray... NOT Alex Smith. I think Smith has priced himself out of KC. Even though the Chiefs are coming off a playoff season, it feels a lot more like the playoff season Edwards led Vermeil's Chiefs to rather than a sign of things to come. The Chiefs have maxed out their cap space and have gotten worse in doing so. This team will be facing some tough decisions in the next few seasons that will probably see Eric Berry, Tamba Hali, Derrick Johnson, Jamaal Charles, Dwayne Bowe, and Brandon Flowers among others leave the team. If those guys leave, it won't be so they can afford a guy like Alex Smith.

    Also consider that the Chiefs will be stock-piling picks for the 2015 draft. They will start with 7 and will probably get at least another 3 as compensatory picks from losing Albert, McCluster, a pair of starting OGs, and Tyson Jackson. Going with a 2nd or 3rd year QB in the form of this year's QB taken in the draft or Bray from last year will allow the Chiefs to get ANOTHER compensatory pick in 2016 by letting Smith walk. Smith won't be the only high-profile player to leave, either. I would expect some big names to either get traded this season with 2 seasons left before free agency, or next year when they still have 1 season of team control left.

    You may disagree with me and not believe that this team is about to go through a major overhaul, but do you really think John Dorsey and Andy Reid are going to let their their collective futures in KC be decided by and aging roster that they didn't select? Doubtful. If the front office thinks they can get/or have their QBOTF in this draft or the last, they won't sign Alex Smith long term. In fact, I don't see a single scenario that has the Chiefs committing long-term money (especially $15m/yr) to Alex Smith. Andy Reid and John Dorsey want a guy they can develop over an extended period of time. (see Aaron Rodgers)

    I see a 3 year plan of something like the following:

    Trade Eric Berry for draft picks in 2015/16
    Let Alex Smith walk for picks
    Trade Hali for picks in '16
    Let Charles walk after '16
    Trade DJ for picks in '16
    Cut/trade Sean Smith after '14
    Sign Justin Houston long-term
    Sign Dontari Poe long-term
    Sign Bray (or '14 rookie) long-term

    10+ picks in 2015
    10+ picks in 2016

    All this among other moves, of course... but I think you are going to see a drastically different team heading into the 2016 team than many of us want to see. I will be absolutely shocked and dismayed if Alex Smith is the starting QB for the Kansas City Chiefs heading into the 2016 season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brdempsey69 View Post
    With the cap space that the Chiefs DON'T have, they don't have much choice this year. Doesn't mean they won't resign Alex after 2014 and letting Alex walk after 2014 and drafting a QB is more than likely to backfire than to work out. It just so happens the Chiefs are ZERO for 17 drafting QB's since 1970, regardless of the regime in place.
    Well we would have more cap room if there wasn't such irresponsible spending by John Dorsey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopekaRoy View Post
    According to OverTheCap.com. Flowers' Contract carries $7M in dead money this season ($3.5M cap savings), $4M in dead money in 2015 ($7.5M cap savings) and $1M in dead money in 2016 ($8.75M in cap savings). If we trade him now we would still be on the hook for $12.75 million total.
    Correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that if we traded him the other team had to pick up his contract as it was written and therefore that would take us off the hook. Am I wrong on that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NWO View Post
    Well we would have more cap room if there wasn't such irresponsible spending by John Dorsey.
    And I'm sure that you could've done better Mr. Armchair GM. In case you didn't know it, the league instituted in 2013 a salary floor in addition to the salary cap. Dorsey had to spend some money & he was over a barrel regarding Bowe and you've already had it explained to you as to why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctchiefsfan View Post
    Correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that if we traded him the other team had to pick up his contract as it was written and therefore that would take us off the hook. Am I wrong on that?
    They would have to take over his salary, but the signing bonus the Chiefs gave him is the Chiefs responsibility. I'm not sure how roster and workout bonuses are handled. (Flowers has both in his contract.) Of course the Chiefs could always ask the team getting Flowers to pay a portion, or all, of the dead money, but that would probably lead to lower picks in return. In Flowers' case it would probably nix the deal.
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    I don't think anything that's what wrong is nearly Smiths Falls we have no offense of line I think the coaches are free to call certain place I think he would absolutely do better with a different office of coordinator

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    Thanks Topeka!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopekaRoy View Post
    According to OverTheCap.com. Flowers' Contract carries $7M in dead money this season ($3.5M cap savings), $4M in dead money in 2015 ($7.5M cap savings) and $1M in dead money in 2016 ($8.75M in cap savings). If we trade him now we would still be on the hook for $12.75 million total.
    Thanks, TR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NWO View Post
    Well we would have more cap room if there wasn't such irresponsible spending by John Dorsey.
    Would you rather have the irresponsible drafting of Scott Pioli, with his "amazing" cap saving skills, and the accompanying lackluster results?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eydugstr View Post
    PFF...I'm not sure I'd be using that as a reference material. PFF is to the NFL what Dungeons & Dragons is to medieval history.
    So you're saying that they're completely off base when having Trent Williams, Joe Thomas, Jordan Gross, Jason Peters, and Tyron Smith as their top 5 LT's? Got it. Worthless.

    These guys watch football for days and do their best to spit out grades you can understand when it comes to positions that are tough to grade. Where else can you find how many sacks, hurries, and QB hits a lineman gave up? Or how many QB hits and hurries a pass rusher had? Or what a QB's passer rating was when throwing at a certain defensive back? Or how many missed tackles a player had? Or how well a QB does when throwing to different areas of the field?

    Do they get stuff wrong? Sure. Are there things to disagree about with them? Sure. But don't dismiss it as a worthless service. It's becoming commonplace for NFL teams and agents to use this as an extra resource as well, especially for contract negotiations. As of last year, 1/3rd of NFL teams subscribed to the service. So people can continue to tout is as worthless. Many NFL front offices would beg to differ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryfo18 View Post
    So you're saying that they're completely off base when having Trent Williams, Joe Thomas, Jordan Gross, Jason Peters, and Tyron Smith as their top 5 LT's? Got it. Worthless.

    These guys watch football for days and do their best to spit out grades you can understand when it comes to positions that are tough to grade. Where else can you find how many sacks, hurries, and QB hits a lineman gave up? Or how many QB hits and hurries a pass rusher had? Or what a QB's passer rating was when throwing at a certain defensive back? Or how many missed tackles a player had? Or how well a QB does when throwing to different areas of the field?

    Do they get stuff wrong? Sure. Are there things to disagree about with them? Sure. But don't dismiss it as a worthless service. It's becoming commonplace for NFL teams and agents to use this as an extra resource as well, especially for contract negotiations. As of last year, 1/3rd of NFL teams subscribed to the service. So people can continue to tout is as worthless. Many NFL front offices would beg to differ.
    All you're telling anyone is to trust the eyes of PFF, instead of trusting their own eyes via the overhead camera. And like you said, they make mistakes, and Eydugstr and I are referring to O-Lineman and I already know PFF ratings are worthless regarding O-Lineman as they don't touch on the series of opponents that said player went up against or injury status.

    I don't need the eyes of PFF. I've got a perfectly good pair of my own, and can review the same thing PFF is seeing via NFL Game Rewind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brdempsey69 View Post
    All you're telling anyone is to trust the eyes of PFF, instead of trusting their own eyes via the overhead camera. And like you said, they make mistakes, and Eydugstr and I are referring to O-Lineman and I already know PFF ratings are worthless regarding O-Lineman as they don't touch on the series of opponents that said player went up against or injury status.

    I don't need the eyes of PFF. I've got a perfectly good pair of my own, and can review the same thing PFF is seeing via NFL Game Rewind.
    So instead we should trust the eyes of the guy who said Branden Albert should have never been playing LT to begin with. OK!
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