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    I have been a fan and have supported him all along. Last week he didn't look good and I chalked it up to lack of camp practice. Tonight he looks like a highschool 2nd stringer trying to play in the NFL!!! ... It's painful to watch!

    Somebody tell me why I should not be worried.

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    Thanks for the updates. I hope he improves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brdempsey69 View Post
    Actually, Fisher wasn't bad tonight. Not great, but wasn't a sieve by any stretch of the imagination.



    And what have we seen from Sam Bradford taken #1 overall by the Rams in 2010? The same thing we'd have seen from Geno if the Chiefs had taken him #1 overall.
    His performance wasn't completely aweful. He certainly didn't stand out from the rest of the offensive line. There was many plays that I could not tell if it was a screen or just bad blocking. That is one thing you have to give Alex Smith some credit. He has good pocket presence which was painfully obvious when Bray got in there since he has none.

    One thing I noticed in this game. Minnesota's LT looked much worse and they will have problems this year. Now maybe that was Tamba having a good game.

    I can not believe Geno Smith is even a consideration. The only player I would have liked the Chiefs to have taken which was not a need at the time was Dion Jordan. There was numerous rumors that the Chiefs felt he was the best player available a week before the draft and that they may take him. I didn't like it at the time because it was not a need, but liked it only because the draft was so deep in tackles. Had they made that move they wouldn't have drafted what appears to be another project with Dee Ford.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seek View Post
    The only player I would have liked the Chiefs to have taken which was not a need at the time was Dion Jordan. There was numerous rumors that the Chiefs felt he was the best player available a week before the draft and that they may take him. I didn't like it at the time because it was not a need, but liked it only because the draft was so deep in tackles. Had they made that move they wouldn't have drafted what appears to be another project with Dee Ford.
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Jordan having his share of problems too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankenchief View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Jordan having his share of problems too?
    I think your right. I think I read he was on the verge of not making the team this year but I think he got tradded to another team that better suits his skills. He didn't suit their defense. Though I might be getting him confused with someone else. But it was a guy from the dolphins and I think they traded him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seek View Post
    One thing I noticed in this game. Minnesota's LT looked much worse and they will have problems this year. Now maybe that was Tamba having a good game.

    I can not believe Geno Smith is even a consideration. The only player I would have liked the Chiefs to have taken which was not a need at the time was Dion Jordan. There was numerous rumors that the Chiefs felt he was the best player available a week before the draft and that they may take him. I didn't like it at the time because it was not a need, but liked it only because the draft was so deep in tackles. Had they made that move they wouldn't have drafted what appears to be another project with Dee Ford.
    Actually regarding LT Matt Kalil, it WAS Tamba that was the problem. When Hali is not being held, he's often times unblockable. If the Donkeys hadn't been allowed to get away with holding him last year, he would have decked Manning for losses multiple times.

    Ford is something of a project, because he's never been a stand-up OLB, but he was more productive in college than Jordan was, and Jordan still hasn't won a starting job down in Miami. Jordan has NOT been traded from Miami as others have suggested, although there were rumors of it. People forget that Justin Houston didn't start off as a great ball of fire, but took some time to develop.

    I do believe the Chiefs would have considered Johnny Manziel if he had been there at #23.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankenchief View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Jordan having his share of problems too?
    Yes he is struggling. I am not talking Hind Sight taking him over Fisher. I was speaking at the time he was probably the only other players other than Joekle that I could see the team taking. Both Jeokle and Jordan were injured most of the season last year. Jordan is struggling to find a spot since he is kind of a tweener and I believe is about to servde a 4 game suspension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brdempsey69 View Post
    Actually regarding LT Matt Kalil, it WAS Tamba that was the problem. When Hali is not being held, he's often times unblockable. If the Donkeys hadn't been allowed to get away with holding him last year, he would have decked Manning for losses multiple times.

    Ford is something of a project, because he's never been a stand-up OLB, but he was more productive in college than Jordan was, and Jordan still hasn't won a starting job down in Miami. Jordan has NOT been traded from Miami as others have suggested, although there were rumors of it. People forget that Justin Houston didn't start off as a great ball of fire, but took some time to develop.

    I do believe the Chiefs would have considered Johnny Manziel if he has been there at #23
    I would have been very pissed if they got Maziel. Even if he becomes something more than Tebow 2.0 and actually looks to throw before running I would hate having him just based on his character.

    I am fine with pick of Ford here however, I strongly believe your #1 should be NFL ready and starting practically week one. They are not meant to be projects on the bench but projectsprojects developing as they are thrown in the fire. Given who is in front of him he gets a longer leash. I would have really preferred the next best available Safety or Corner. The Broncos Pick Bradely Roby was one that I thought would fit our defense style. He appears to be a man to man guy.

    I don't recall Houston starting off too slow unless you a refering to him obtaining his Pro-bowl status. He was pretty solid as a rookie compared to what we had and didn't drop much in production compared to Vrabel and that was after he held out for a while. You are also comparing a 3rd rounder vs a 1st rounder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seek View Post
    I would have been very pissed if they got Maziel. Even if he becomes something more than Tebow 2.0 and actually looks to throw before running I would hate having him just based on his character.

    I am fine with pick of Ford here however, I strongly believe your #1 should be NFL ready and starting practically week one. They are not meant to be projects on the bench but projectsprojects developing as they are thrown in the fire. Given who is in front of him he gets a longer leash. I would have really preferred the next best available Safety or Corner. The Broncos Pick Bradely Roby was one that I thought would fit our defense style. He appears to be a man to man guy.

    I don't recall Houston starting off too slow unless you a refering to him obtaining his Pro-bowl status. He was pretty solid as a rookie compared to what we had and didn't drop much in production compared to Vrabel and that was after he held out for a while. You are also comparing a 3rd rounder vs a 1st rounder.
    Houston did start off slowly in his rookie year & progressed and got better as the season wore on. Houston would have been a first-rounder or early 2nd rounder at the latest, if not for testing positive for Wacky Tobaccy at the Combine.

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    Houston did start off slowly in his rookie year & progressed and got better as the season wore on. Houston would have been a first-rounder or early 2nd rounder at the latest, if not for testing positive for Wacky Tobaccy at the Combine.
    Re-quoted for truth. It didn't happen instantly for Houston, it wasn't until halfway through his first season then he began to catch fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brdempsey69 View Post
    Houston did start off slowly in his rookie year & progressed and got better as the season wore on. Houston would have been a first-rounder or early 2nd rounder at the latest, if not for testing positive for Wacky Tobaccy at the Combine.
    But he was not a first rounder so his expectations were not as high. I don't expect Ford to be a stud 15 sack guy his rookie season. Just from what I have heard and seen, he lacks run support and is specifically a pass rusher. It will take him longer than a year to develop. He may develop into that pass rushing specialist by year end, but he has a lot to improve at this point in time before he is a starter.

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