differance between a good &great qb

**slc chief** · 09-16-2014, 07:25 PM

I do give the chiefs credit for hanging around in the donkeys game. But its just not good enough. And I can't help but think we way over paid an average qb. Go back to the Colts playoff game he couldnt get it done on the last drive. And then again this week. Now I know I am stating the obvious when I say smith is average. But it is very clear the differance between a great qb and an average one. A great one would have pulled those last minute drives through. at least 1 of the 2 drives. Smith might be deserving of the choke stature sooner than latet

**doobs_05** · 09-16-2014, 07:27 PM

inb4 "hater"

**matthewschiefs** · 09-16-2014, 08:00 PM

UGH UGH UGH Time for a rant on this topic

PEOPLE THERE IS MORE TO THE GAME OF FOOTBALL THEN THE QB.

But even more then that let me list the QBS that have been in kc in the last 8 years
1.Damon Huard
2. Brodie Croyle
3. Tyler Thigpen
4. Matt Cassel
5. Tyler Palko
6. Kyle Orton
7. Brady Quinn
8. Alex Smith

WE HAVE CHANGED QB AFTER QB AFTER QB the problems with the offense have remained the same.

I here talk about the playoff game HE PUT UP 44

points that wins over 99% of the games in the NFL MAYBE we admit the defense should have stopped someone anyone? But lets use this standard Peyton manning is an average qb Right? He has a losing playoff record due to bad defense but my god he didnt win the game on his own so he just sucks? IT MAKES NO SENSE. NONE WHATSOEVER.

Now lets talk about this past week and the last drive. Go watch the final play (oh ya he took us right to the goaline) WHO WAS OPEN? Name me someone who was open. Damn you Alex why didn't you tell people they need to get open? We have had two games both games watching on tv i have heard two former qbs who played at a high level talk throughout the game that NO ONE WAS OPEN. And you think changing the QB they will suddenly start getting open?

MAYBE just MAYBE it's time to put talent around a QB. We have some guys who have potential to be that talent in Davis,Kelce but they are still coming along. This constant notion that oh if we just change the QB everything will be fine was all good the first couple of QBs that we said it with but this is number 8. It's old. VERY old. Time to move on from blaming the QB for everything that goes wrong. THERES MORE TO FOOTBALL THEN THE QB

END OF RANT

**slc chief** · 09-16-2014, 08:13 PM

You just answered our playoff win drought with that exact list of qbs. The team Trent green had was extremely talented but guess what no playoff win. Guess what else Montana did not have that kind of talent and he won us a playoff game. I thought it was well proven around the league if you have an above average qb you have a shot at a playoff win. Its not hear say its fact hell look at the chargers. Look what happened to the Colts the year manning was out

**slc chief** · 09-16-2014, 08:22 PM

We have had great rb's great o lineman great lb's very good cbs come and go through k.c. the differance between us and superbowl winning franchises they have had above average qb's and they also have the hardware to prove it

**slc chief** · 09-16-2014, 08:28 PM

Nobody is open because defenses know all they have to do is cover 15 yards down the field. Come on smiths deep game is a joke. I am sick of seeing him overthrow the deep slant. I had hopes for smith. being a utes fan that lives in utah. But just because the guy can scramble a little bit and hit a 5 yard slant every once in a while. Doesnt mean I have to try and protect hi. From his well deserved criticism

**matthewschiefs** · 09-16-2014, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by slc chief

You just answered our playoff win drought with that exact list of qbs. The team Trent green had was extremely talented but guess what no playoff win. Guess what else Montana did not have that kind of talent and he won us a playoff game. I thought it was well proven around the league if you have an above average qb you have a shot at a playoff win. Its not hear say its fact hell look at the chargers. Look what happened to the Colts the year manning was out

THIS MAKES MY POINT RIGHT HERE.

We had the NUMBER 1 OFFENSE in the NFL and didn't win a playoff game. And getting a better QB would have helped how? If Peyton Manning and Trent Green switched places in the 03 playoff game then Priest wouldn't have fumbled? If having an above average Qb was as big as people make it out to be then Dan Marino should be a multi time superbowl Champ. He's not he doesn't have any. One of the greatest QBS of all time I guess couldn't get the job done right?

QBs like Alex are good enough to win big games. If it was the QB holding us back then why where the games this team lost a year ago some of there highest scoring games? It makes 0 sense. I really don't understand this concept that people over and over again have had that if we had this QB or that QB everything would be fine. It's just not true.

**slc chief** · 09-16-2014, 08:42 PM

The guy had how many pro bowlers on his team last year and your saying he didnt have enough. An all pro rb and safety to boot.there is a reason harvin passed on keeping him. and Reid has been placing qbs on the roster every year. Smith will not get us the Lombardi trophy. Even if he has 10 pro bowlers. Some qbs are clutch and make something from nothing and others are average. If no body is open why throw the ball into double coverage like he did on that last play. Scramble a bit make something happen. Might of worked might not of. But its better than hoping for a flag in double coverage and a bad throw like he did

**slc chief** · 09-16-2014, 08:45 PM

If we had manning on those teams its safe to say we would have been superbowl champs.but bah we dont want a h.o.f qb thats no way of winning

**matthewschiefs** · 09-16-2014, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by slc chief

If we had manning on those teams its safe to say we would have been superbowl champs.but bah we dont want a h.o.f qb thats no way of winning

WE HAD A BETTER OFFENSE THEN PEYTONS WE WERE THE NUMBER 1 OFFENSE IN THE NFL YOU CAN'T GET ANY BETTER THEN NUMBER 1 IT'S NOT POSSIBLE

We also had a worse defense then Peyton in those years WE HAD THE LAST RANKED DEFENSE IN THE NFL

So we had a better offense then Peyon a worse Defense then Peyton and Peyton still didnt win a superbowl in that time and he would have won one in KC? Based on what logic. He couldn't win with a better D but he would have with the garbage that we were fielding on defense? IT MAKES NO SENSE

And the thing that trumps this QB argument everytime TRENT DILFER HAS AS MANY SUPERBOWLS AS PEYTON more then Marino I guess that makes him up there with the elites.

If you want to think that changing QBS yet again will suddenly make the problems we have had since 2007 go away fine But at some point the people who bash on Alex have to start to look at the guys around him. At some point you have to say you know when a QB puts up 44 points in an NFL playoff game maybe we need help on the defense if we lost. At some point when after changing Qbs 8 times the same problems are there you have to say you know maybe just maybe we need help outside the QB. I have been screaming this for YEARS and YEARS we have changed QB after QB in that time same problems that tells me that Qb might not be what needs to be fixed.