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    Default Some more of those classy Raiders fans... Can't take losing to the Chiefs!


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    Shootings occur in parking lots before, after Raiders game
    By Harry Harris and Kristin Bender
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    Article Launched: 10/22/2007 05:21:13 AM PDT

    Four football fans tailgating Saturday night outside a Oakland Coliseum parking lot in preparation for Sunday's sold-out Raiders game were shot by suspected gang members who mistook them for rivals, police said. All the victims, including two brothers, were taken to local hospitals and are expected to recover, police said. Police said at least a dozen rounds were fired at the victims, who were all hit with bullets several times.
    In an unrelated incident Sunday, a man was shot in the upper thigh or groin area after the Raiders game, police said. The shooting happened in the 66th Avenue parking lot about 4:30 p.m., police said.
    After a brief foot chase, police detained the shooter and recovered the gun, said Alameda County Sheriff's spokesman Sgt. J.D. Nelson. Detailed information regarding the shooting was not available late Sunday.
    The victims in Saturday night's shooting - whose names were not released - include two brothers, 23 and 17, both from Oakland, a 24-year-old Alamo man and a 23-year-old San Leandro man, police said.
    The shooting happened at 10:25 p.m. Saturday in the 600 block of Hegenberger Road near Baldwin Street. That area is a back entrance into Coliseum parking lots, and Oakland Raiders fans are known to park vehicles there and party in the days leading up to a home game.
    The Raiders played the Kansas City Chiefs on Sunday.
    Officer Jason Andersen said the four victims are not thought to be gang members. They were part of a larger group involved in a tailgate party, he said. "We were just kicking back," the 23-year-old Oakland man told police. "We always hang out (here) for Raiders games."
    Police said there may have been an event going on at a nearby event hall that attracted members of an Oakland street gang. There was no answer at the hall Sunday.
    Witnesses told police that several vehicles drove into the area where the shooting took place and stopped. Several men got out of one of the vehicles, yelled out a "gang name," and at least one man, and possibly others, began shooting at the tailgaters, Andersen said.
    The suspects then fled in the vehicles, and witnesses did not get a description of the shooter or shooters or the vehicle.
    Police said those shot had non-life-threatening injuries. The Alamo man was driven by friends to an Oakland hospital; ambulances took the other three victims to another local hospital.
    Police and Crime Stoppers of Oakland are offering up to $20,000 in reward money for information leading to the arrest of the suspects. Anyone with information should call police (925) 238-3426 or Crime Stoppers at (925) 238-6946.



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    Quote Originally Posted by chief31 View Post
    Safety is not a freedom, when living with others. If you impose rules to ensure your safety, then you have given up on freedom. You have taken it way from others, for your benefit.

    Yes, freedom can be very dangerous. But, if everyone were allowed to cary a gun, then the thugs wouldn't be so bold to pick on others.

    I feel as though we should have the right to feel safe, as long as we can make ourself safe. Not at the cost of someone elses freedom. I don't think that laws and government should have any say in what I do, unless I am stealing, or causing harm to others.
    I don't disagree with you, but I think that there is a reason the the US has higher murder rates in some cities that Canada has in the entire country. Somewhere along the way safety and guns became synonymous and I personally think that they do more harm than good. IMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canada's #1 Chiefs Fan View Post
    I don't disagree with you, but I think that there is a reason the the US has higher murder rates in some cities that Canada has in the entire country. Somewhere along the way safety and guns became synonymous and I personally think that they do more harm than good. IMHO

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    I agree with some of your points. Some people go off half ****ed carrying a gun, myself I have went thru the classes and have been around guns my entire life so I understand the proper ways to use them. I don't usually have it with me but there are those times I take it with me, camping, hiking, traveling, etc but I would never pull out the gun just because I have one. Most of the time I carry one, you wouldn't even know I had it on me. Most of the time my own gf doesn't know I am carrying it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sling58 View Post
    I agree with some of your points. Some people go off half ****ed carrying a gun, myself I have went thru the classes and have been around guns my entire life so I understand the proper ways to use them. I don't usually have it with me but there are those times I take it with me, camping, hiking, traveling, etc but I would never pull out the gun just because I have one. Most of the time I carry one, you wouldn't even know I had it on me. Most of the time my own gf doesn't know I am carrying it.
    But for every one of you there are 100 people who are the opposite. How many "accidental" shooting occur in the US?? I have never seen one...and people would call me if it happens!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canada's #1 Chiefs Fan View Post
    But for every one of you there are 100 people who are the opposite. How many "accidental" shooting occur in the US?? I have never seen one...and people would call me if it happens!!
    agreed.
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    Sooooooo....How about them Chiefs!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canada's #1 Chiefs Fan View Post
    Sooooooo....How about them Chiefs!!
    How 'bout 'em. Do you think Larry's gonna run all over the Pack?

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    Yes and I think Allen and Hali are gonna be bouncin Favre back and forth all day!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canada's #1 Chiefs Fan View Post
    Yes and I think Allen and Hali are gonna be bouncin Favre back and forth all day!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canada's #1 Chiefs Fan View Post
    Yes and I think Allen and Hali are gonna be bouncin Favre back and forth all day!!
    WOOHOO!!! Faavreh is going down!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by sling58 View Post
    I don't agree with that as much, that would lead to anarchy IMO.
    You ended the quote prematurely. This is the rest of it...

    ...unless I am stealing, or causing harm to others.
    That nullifies the anarchy theory. There would still be law.

    Quote Originally Posted by Canada's #1 Chiefs Fan View Post
    I don't disagree with you, but I think that there is a reason the the US has higher murder rates in some cities that Canada has in the entire country. Somewhere along the way safety and guns became synonymous and I personally think that they do more harm than good. IMHO

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    Seriously, the cold weather is a very real factor. Look at the most violent places on Earth. Right near the equator. Albeit, that isn't the only reason. Canadians don't have as much racial integration either. The population isn't as dense. The wealth isn't so unevenly distributed. The list would be very long.

    And the primary reason for the "right to bear arms" was to ensure that the people would always be able to overthrow the government, if it were to come to that.

    Anyway...Goodnight.

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