Royals vs. Chiefs

[Stevie Ray]

You want to know why the Royals have built an organization that is a 'legitimate' contender to win championships?
Well, it's because they have a regime that not only understands the most essential elements to success, but also acts upon it.

It's pitching/defense:

1. A starting rotation that logs innings.
2. A bullpen that shuts the door in late innings and shortens the game.
3. An athletic defense that catches the ball and saves runs.

This is the aspect of the game where the Royals can't afford to be content with mediocrity. Of course there is no blueprint to a championship, and nothing is ever guaranteed, but this maximizes their chances.

In football, the most essential element is the play/ability of the QB, and to a slightly lesser extent, the philosophy of the head coach (which is, in large part, dependent on the skill/ability of the QB).

Of course baseball and football are vastly different sports, but the principle of placing the highest priority on the quintessentials (respective to their particular sport/league) is very similar.

To put it bluntly, the Royals are where they are because they've focused their efforts there, while the Chiefs have not ..... and continue not to.

My love and passion for both teams, and both sports, is as equal as can possibly be.
But until the Chiefs do away with the philosophy of being content with mediocrity at the most important aspect of the game, I can't take them as a serious threat to bring a championship to KC.

Hope/Optimism is one thing -- Expectation is another.

[ctchiefsfan]

Lets take this whole argument about who has the better organization a step further and deal with facts rather than opinion.

2014....Royals regular season winning %....54.9%............Chiefs regular season winning %....56.2%...Pretty darned close. But the Chiefs come out on top.

2013....Royals regular season winning %....53.1%............Chiefs regular season winning %....68.7%...Not so close. And again the Chiefs come out on top.

2013 and 2014 combined regular season winning % average...Royals...54%...Chiefs...62.4%...Not so close. Chiefs on top.

Bill-bob...Your argument about the Royals having a better organization is leaking like a sieve.

To ALL Royals fans....I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST THE ROYALS. I don't even follow baseball anymore. I just don't like idiotic claims that have no supporting evidence......ESPECIALLY when those unsupported claims are used to denigrate our Chiefs. And Billy-bob made an UTTERLY UNSUPPORTED CLAIM that was based SOLELY on opinion with no basis in fact, yet he declared it to be fact. And as we all know from his previous posts, the real purpose of Billy-bob's post was to say that the Chiefs will always suck as long as Alex Smith is our QB. A leopard doesn't change his spots.

As I have said from the start of this thread.....there is no sure way to determine which team has the better organization other than seeing what they both do over the next few years.

[Stevie Ray]

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THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS

It's been my thing for a number of years. This is not a team that has had a QB problem this has been a team that has lacked talent on the offensive side of the ball PERIOD. (YES THAT INCLUDES THE QB SPOT THE QB PLAYS ON OFFENSE) They are finally looking to improve that talent. Lets hope they are on the right track with some of the young guys

There were points in time where the Chiefs were one of the very best teams in just about every aspect of the game ......EXCEPT QB.

The Chiefs have had one of the top RBs, Offensive lines, Defensive lines, Secondaries, TEs, Pass rushes, Coaching staffs, Home Field advantages, Return men, Punters, Kickers, etc ......... just never one of the top QBs.

..... and what has it gotten us?

A near 40 year old Montana and Trent Green were about as close as we've come. It's also no coincidence that it was during those 2 eras where the Chiefs had their best chances to win championships.

Teams that win championships generally don't treat QB as if it's a throw away position -- they don't commit to mediocrity and hope that they can excel everywhere else.

[Stevie Ray]

The royals will get to 90 wins this year I'm sure of it. Their hasn't been a lot to cheer for from either team until here recently

Yes, that's kinda my point.

[Stevie Ray]

Lets take this whole argument about who has the better organization a step further and deal with facts rather than opinion.

2014....Royals regular season winning %....54.9%............Chiefs regular season winning %....56.2%...Pretty darned close. But the Chiefs come out on top.

Flawed comparison. Baseball has 162 regular season games, and football has 16. You can't go by win percentages.

By your logic, the Chiefs 9-7 record tops every single team in MLB that did NOT win 90(+) games.

Bill-bob...Your argument about the Royals having a better organization is leaking like a sieve.

LOL au contraire mon frere ......... your desperation to back up your position is getting thick.

Try to relax your defensive posture and think clearly for a minute. I'm not trying to degrade the Chiefs. It's my team too! I'm just done with sitting quietly while accepting mediocrity.

Do I think my whines will change anything? Of course not .... but that's what fan forums are for.

Let's get something straight -- Don't think for 1 second that you'll be pulling any harder for the Chiefs than will I once football seasons kicks off. My lowered expectations doesn't make me any less of a fan than does your pie-eyed optimism.

[ctchiefsfan]

No pie-eyed optimism. None at all. Unlike you, I have not made any wild unsupportable claims. I haven't even said the Chiefs have a better organization than the Royals. What I have said is that your claim that the Royals have a better organization is not supported by any hard facts.....and can't be until they have proven themselves over the course of a few years. Which to date they have not done. I prefer facts to drivel and right now, here are the FACTS since the new Chiefs organization came into being....

2014....Royals regular season winning %....54.9%............Chiefs regular season winning %....56.2%...Pretty darned close. But the Chiefs come out on top.

2013....Royals regular season winning %....53.1%............Chiefs regular season winning %....68.7%...Not so close. And again the Chiefs come out on top.

2013 and 2014 combined regular season winning % average...Royals...54%...Chiefs...62.4%...Not so close. Chiefs on top.

Speak again when you have some FACTS. Until then all you are doing is spouting opinions and pretending they are facts despite having NOTHING to back it up.

[Stevie Ray]

I haven't even said the Chiefs have a better organization than the Royals.

No, all you've done is try to show how the Chiefs come out on top - even getting as desperate as to compare regular season win%. Why don't you have the courage of your convictions?

What I have said is that your claim that the Royals have a better organization is not supported by any hard facts

Fact 1: The Royals have recent playoff success, the Chiefs do not.
Fact 2: The Royals have league championship hardware and competed for a World championship, the Chiefs do/have not.
Fact 3: The Royals have ascended, the Chiefs have descended.

.....and can't be until they have proven themselves over the course of a few years.

Again, it doesn't take much to top the Chiefs because they have yet to prove themselves in any way shape or form. What part of this do you NOT understand?

Which to date they have not done.

LOL and the Chiefs have?

I prefer facts to drivel

LOL I'm dubious, to say the least.

here are the FACTS since the new Chiefs organization came into being....2014....Royals regular season winning %....54.9%............Chiefs regular season winning %....56.2%...Pretty darned close. But the Chiefs come out on top.

The Chiefs wear red, the Royals wear blue. Also fact -- doesn't mean it's very relevant.

It's just like a content Chiefs fan to covet regular season wins over post-season success.

You're actually making me feel bad for the Chiefs. Even I could do a better job of defending them in this discussion. Please stop!

[ctchiefsfan]

No, all you've done is try to show how the Chiefs come out on top - even getting as desperate as to compare regular season win%. Why don't you have the courage of your convictions?

Whatever you say, the facts I have pointed out still haven't been challenged.

Fact 1: The Royals have recent playoff success, the Chiefs do not.

That is a fact. However the Royals history does not amount to much. Nor does the history of their current organization. You howling about last year is no different than if I had announced the Chiefs were a dynasty after 2013. Can you spell FLASH IN THE PAN?

Fact 2: The Royals have league championship hardware and competed for a World championship, the Chiefs do/have not.

As I've said...one season doesn't prove squat about the organization. Make your claims after 3 years of consistent success.

Fact 3: The Royals have ascended, the Chiefs have descended.

FALSE. The Chiefs have had their best two years in a row in the last decade. If that isn't ascending I don't know what is.

[NickheadKCAU]

can we all agree that both kc teams are not the worst in each's respective sport?

this is silly.

obviously, were it to be a comparison of both teams in the last two years they would both break even...

neither has won a championship...

[doobs_05]

I'm pretty sure the chiefs since 1969 (year the royals came along) have had more success (division titles, playoffs)But the Royals have had better success more recent than the chiefs (I mean they actually won a playoff game/series)

[Stevie Ray]

Whatever you say, the facts I have pointed out still haven't been challenged.

I'm sorry you feel that way. The Chiefs wear red -- that fact hasn't been challenged yet either.

That is a fact. However the Royals history does not amount to much.

Neither does the Chiefs.

Does the "right now" part fly over your head?

Can you spell FLASH IN THE PAN?

Can you spell DUD IN THE MUD? I'd give anything for the Chiefs to be just a flash in the pan right now. SMH you still don't get it.

As I've said...one season doesn't prove squat about the organization.

As I've said ....... 2 decades without playoff win proves plenty about the organization.

Make your claims after 3 years of consistent success.

2013 - 86 wins
2014 - A.L. Champs, 1 run short of a World Championship
2015 - Best team in the A.L. through more than half the season - legitimate championship contender

But again ....... it doesn't take that much to top the Chiefs.

FALSE. The Chiefs have had their best two years in a row in the last decade. If that isn't ascending I don't know what is.

Then you don't know what it is. The Chiefs have been descending every since Carl Peterson left. The attendance at Arrowhead says it all. Hopefully they're on their way back up, but that has yet to come to fruition.

Notice here how I'm trumpeting post-season success, rings, hardware ...... and you're trumpeting the idea that at least we're not 2-14 anymore?