Royals vs. Chiefs

[Stevie Ray]

You want to know why the Royals have built an organization that is a 'legitimate' contender to win championships?
Well, it's because they have a regime that not only understands the most essential elements to success, but also acts upon it.

It's pitching/defense:

1. A starting rotation that logs innings.
2. A bullpen that shuts the door in late innings and shortens the game.
3. An athletic defense that catches the ball and saves runs.

This is the aspect of the game where the Royals can't afford to be content with mediocrity. Of course there is no blueprint to a championship, and nothing is ever guaranteed, but this maximizes their chances.

In football, the most essential element is the play/ability of the QB, and to a slightly lesser extent, the philosophy of the head coach (which is, in large part, dependent on the skill/ability of the QB).

Of course baseball and football are vastly different sports, but the principle of placing the highest priority on the quintessentials (respective to their particular sport/league) is very similar.

To put it bluntly, the Royals are where they are because they've focused their efforts there, while the Chiefs have not ..... and continue not to.

My love and passion for both teams, and both sports, is as equal as can possibly be.
But until the Chiefs do away with the philosophy of being content with mediocrity at the most important aspect of the game, I can't take them as a serious threat to bring a championship to KC.

Hope/Optimism is one thing -- Expectation is another.

[ctchiefsfan]

My Man actually took more heat for going after Pioli then Cassel at that time.

Maybe my memory is faulty, but I thought that what finally got MMO/MMH tossed was his insistence that trading for Alex Smith instead of picking Geno Smith with the #1 pick was the stupidest thing any team had ever done. That is what made me stop participating here for a month or two. MMO/MMH got tossed something like 6 or 7 months after Reid was hired. As I recall things, we traded for Alex in early March of 2013 and as I recall, from then until well after the draft MMO/MMH was fit to be tied.

As for Billy-bob...I don't mind a spirited debate. They are good for the board. But people that sound like a broken record day after day after day just annoy the poop out of me. As everybody knows, I like Alex and think his best years will all turn out to have been with the Chiefs, so Billy-bob annoys me. But if someone came on here day after day assuring us that we had a MORTAL LOCK on the Super Bowl this year I would be equally annoyed.

[matthewschiefs]

He got ran out of here, but yet we could all agree we did not like Pioli and Cassel. I like having the different opinions around here, gets more people involved. The most discussed threads will always be the QB ones.Got me thinking, if the chiefs win a playoff game with Smith at QB, he's going to have so many years of "it's okay, he won a playoff game for us". If this happens, how many years does he get before the no playoffs/playoff wins becomes a thing again? Getting that win would be nice but it would suck if the fans just started to get lazy because KC won 1 playoff game and then the next 5 years they won nothing.

I stated at the time I didn't like the fact he was banned and still feel that way. But we don't need to go back into that

As for the rest of your post. If Alex wins a playoff game lets say this year that would at the very least be a sign of progress even if we were to lose the next. I have never even seen a Chiefs Playoff win so I don't know how long it would last me I guess we hopefully will find out at some point.

Maybe my memory is faulty, but I thought that what finally got MMO/MMH tossed was his insistence that trading for Alex Smith instead of picking Geno Smith with the #1 pick was the stupidest thing any team had ever done. That is what made me stop participating here for a month or two. MMO/MMH got tossed something like 6 or 7 months after Reid was hired. As I recall things, we traded for Alex in early March of 2013 and as I recall, from then until well after the draft MMO/MMH was fit to be tied.

As for Billy-bob...I don't mind a spirited debate. They are good for the board. But people that sound like a broken record day after day after day just annoy the poop out of me. As everybody knows, I like Alex and think his best years will all turn out to have been with the Chiefs, so Billy-bob annoys me. But if someone came on here day after day assuring us that we had a MORTAL LOCK on the Super Bowl this year I would be equally annoyed.

He got banned after the Alex thing but most of the dislike for him came well before then. I never disliked My man sure we debated but hey it was kind of fun for me.

As for "billy bob" That's a big difference from him and MMH My man would at least be willing to talk about other things outside the QB spot. Stevie ray it's all he wants to talk about. I mean as soon as i stopped responding to him earlier in the year he was gone. Since then we have signed a new #1 WR, Had the NFL Draft,Resinged both Houston and Hali (something no one thought would happen at this time last year) and upon his return the only use anther sport to talk about the QB. It's like I've said for a long time THERE'S MORE TO FOOTBALL THEN THE QB some just will never accept that Oh well

[Stevie Ray]

It kind of feels like 2009-2011 in here, just replace smith with cassel and you get the same vide. replace Stevie Ray with My man Orton/hali and it's almost the same thing.

I'll just have to take your word for it.

It was pretty much that way on other boards that I frequent. Cassel was no good on the football field, I pointed out the reasons why, people didn't like my take on it and people took exception.

There's always one side that takes a simple disagreement personally. They eventually make it a grudge.

I've learned that it's a tell-tell sign of someone who isn't secure in their position, and it's typically those people who are proven wrong when all is said and done.

[Stevie Ray]

I like having the different opinions around here, gets more people involved.

Yea, it would get pretty boring if we all agreed all the time.

Some like Smith more than I do. Big deal.

[Seek]

Well, I still say this argument is stupid as I love both teams there is really nothing good to compare the two on other than who is winning right now but I really love the fact the Royals went and got Cueto. I think they spent to much for a 2 month rent a player by giving up two of their best arms, but it is a big time move I have never seen the Royals make before which means they are actually trying. Now if you really want me to say the Royals organization is better than the Chiefs that could be said if the Royals CHEAP ACE owner would actually spend some money to resign his stud players that he will lose in the next couple years instead of letting them leave.

[Stevie Ray]

Well, I still say this argument is stupid as I love both teams there is really nothing good to compare the two on other than who is winning right now but I really love the fact the Royals went and got Cueto. I think they spent to much for a 2 month rent a player by giving up two of their best arms, but it is a big time move I have never seen the Royals make before which means they are actually trying. Now if you really want me to say the Royals organization is better than the Chiefs that could be said if the Royals CHEAP ACE owner would actually spend some money to resign his stud players that he will lose in the next couple years instead of letting them leave.

Perhaps you don't really understand the argument, or at the very least, you've taken the point of it the wrong way. It was not supposed to be about one franchise/owner being better/worse than the other. It was about the philosophy of one compared to that of the other. Check the original post.

I said plenty in that post, and all you took from it was *'bash Alex Smith'*. Then you (and others) tried to downplay the success that the Royals are having; in what I can only assume was an attempt to say that the Royals don't deserve no more praise than do the Chiefs.

All I was trying get across was the thought that the Chiefs should follow the example that the Royals have set in not settling for being average in the most important area of their roster. Of course there isn't a completely fair way to compare one league to the other, particularly when it comes to player acquisition, but there are ways to evaluate and contrast basic principles.

The Royals are not the most talented team in the league -- they don't have the best 1-9 in their lineup .... they don't hit for a lot of power ...... and they certainly don't have the best 1-5 rotation in baseball. They've been successful because their overall pitch/defense is one of the best in the game - more specifically, it's because they don't relent when it comes to late inning pitching and up the middle defense (C, SS, CF).

[Stevie Ray]

As for the Royals' trade for Cueto -- they gave up some solid pitching prospects, but not nearly those that I would describe as "2 of their best arms."

Lamb was once one the Royals top prospects a few years back, but at 25 years old, he was more of a reclamation project for them since. Finnegan is more than likely a lefty relief pitcher - though I think he'll be a good one. Reed, eh ..... probably 2 or 3 yeras away from the bigs.

Just a few months ago, the Royals wouldn't have been able to get a whole lot for either of them, and now they've turned that package of players into a 3 month rental of one of the very best starting pitchers in all of baseball. If Cueto helps them to another World Series appearance, they haven't given up too much - irrespective to the future careers of the prospects that they sent to the Reds.

[Eydugstr]

Which speaks volumes about him as an NFL QB. Keep hope alive.

It's not how QB's start out that matters. It's how they end up.

Just makes you wonder what the excuses will be this time next year.

Yeah, right. Like you wouldn't be making excuses if Alex started doing better. If someone has the right to criticize, others have the right to respond.

Which has absolutely NOTHING to do with any point I've made about the Chiefs here.

Actually, yes it does. It's an observation based on a player you wanted the Chiefs to draft, and the organization he went to.

It was pretty much that way on other boards that I frequent. Cassel was no good on the football field, I pointed out the reasons why, people didn't like my take on it and people took exception.

How many Chiefs forums have you been kicked off of ?!? Can I recommend piano lessons? You could write a song titled "Maybe it's me..."

I've learned that it's a tell-tell sign of someone who isn't secure in their position, and it's typically those people who are proven wrong when all is said and done.

Fair enough. But that's why I say play the games, let's see how it all pans out. If Alex improves, quit living up to a reputation and give the guy some credit. If he sucks, flame away.

[Stevie Ray]

It's not how QB's start out that matters. It's how they end up.

- [your response to my point that Alex Smith has enjoyed the best statistical years of his entire 10 year career in KC; yet the supporting cast(s) is still being blamed for his mediocre production as a QB.] -

Ok, sure ..... I too 'hope' that Alex Smith will be a 'better' individual ballplayer than he's shown to be at this point of his 10 year career. As a Chiefs' fan, I sincerely do. So what?

Yeah, right. Like you wouldn't be making excuses if Alex started doing better.

- [your response to my point that you'll still be making excuses around this time next year for why Smith is the same mediocre (at best) QB that he's always been. ] -

I guess it depends on what is meant by the description, 'better'.

I'll tell you what -- If Smith starts 14-16 games, tops 3,500 passing yards, 30 TDs, AND takes less than 40 sacks .... I will readily admit that I am wrong about him.

Actually, yes it does. It's an observation based on a player you wanted the Chiefs to draft, and the organization he went to.

- [your response to my point that Bridgewater's future success/failure has nothing to do with my point about the Chiefs, historically, NOT giving the adequate effort to draft/develop thier own franchise QB.] -

I don't claim to know how Bridgewater will turn out, but the sheer importance of the QB position requires the Chiefs to take the inherent risks associated, and place all other aspects of talent acquisition as secondary.

[Chiefs4life24]

I was glad they didn't draft Geno Smith or Teddy Bridgewater. As long as Geno plays to the Jets he will be no more than poor, and Bridgewater is definitely better but probably won't be a pro bowler