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    Post Thoughts on the KC/Cinci game

    In no particular order.

    1- The Chiefs have become masters of whiffing on good drives. Seven good drives yielded 3 points each. If we are to compete with the big boys we need to finish our drives strong. Potentially we left 28 points on the field. But wait, our kicker sets a new Chiefs record for FGs in a game. Who needs Jan Stenerud or Nick Lowery when you got Cairo Santos. Btw, if we finish 4 of those 7 drives with TDs like a legit team should, we win this game.

    2- That bit of sarcasm about our kicker out of the way he needs to be mentioned with a big atta boy. The young man has improved a lot over last year. He has become pretty clutch. Too early to tell but maybe Cairo Santos will be mentioned someday along with Stenerud and Lowery. Now if he could only learn you're not supposed to kick off out of bounds.... ;)

    3- Oline is crap. But you knew that. Here's a couple of observations about that:

    A- Alex was sacked 49 times (most in his career) last year behind an Oline that did not have the 'stud' OG Grubbs and featuring human green light, Mike McGlynn. This year we are on track for almost 70!... Go figure!

    B- Given the vast talent we have now accumulated on the Oline this year, (I wish there was a sarcasm emoticon), at what point do we point a finger at our Oline coach and the scheme?

    C- The optimist in me thinks, this line is not as bad as it is and will gel sometime soon. The same optimist says that usually one or two bad apples make the whole Oline go rotten. So maybe either a player will be traded for, developed, or mature up and bingo(!) we will have respectable Oline play.

    4- Alex Smith: He deservedly got a lot of criticism last week and deserves some this week too.

    A- How can a NFL QB throw for almost 400 yards and not a TD pass?

    B- Broken record here, but Alex holds on to the ball too long. He deserves a lot of the blame for the sacks as well. He doesn't even know how to throw the ball away. That intentional grounding was pathetic.

    C- A lot of people attribute the almost bust status that he achieved at the pre-Harbaugh San Francisco to how his psyche got messed up with bad coaching and regime changes. All that means is that his psyche CAN be messed up. And nothing will mess up a QB's psyche more than sacks, hits, and hurries. Poor dude. PUT A FREAKING OLINE IN FRONT OF HIM ALREADY!

    5- Gadget plays only worked for the Chiefs in the Stram era. I have never seen an NFL team botch gadget plays with the regularity that KC has in the last, what, two decades? I doesn't even matter who the coach is. Gadget plays are simply not in KC's DNA

    6- What's up with our D and 3rd-and-longs?!!! defending them is another thing that does not seem to be in KC's DNA. Regardless of coach.

    7- Speaking of the D, where are they? Where the hell is our vaunted pass rush?

    8- Still speaking of the D, why is it that Sutton does not teach them to go for stripping the ball? Marty's Ds had that edge on the opposing Os and would get into their heads by the second quarter on. Our D is close to fielding the same talent, without that essential edge.

    9- Officiating rants:

    A- Kelce's fumble should have been reversed. Why do they have the replay review technology otherwise?! The game looked winnable until then. Cinci was -17 points in the 2nd half before this game. The officials basically gifted a TD to them to put the game out of reach.

    B- On the Cinci's first attempt at the 2 point conversion our 99 was being held by two Olinemen. Yet a dubious defensive holding call was made against our D giving the Bengals the 2nd chance to make it a 2 TD game.

    10- Broken record again: One of Alex Smith's positive qualities is his mobility. Why the hell don't we have DESIGNED QB runs in our playbook?! And if we do why the hell don't we use them?! This can be very effective in drives. It can keep oppositions Ds unbalanced and guessing. That threat can open up other plays for the Chiefs. For a supposedly offensive minded coach, we have a very conservative playbook. Maybe that's also why our occasional gadget plays don't work. Maybe that's why we don't score TDs when we get to 1st-and-goal. Can you imagine the QB bootlegs that Alex can take to the house in those situations?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seek View Post
    Also I saw Fisher completely block NO one on that reverse play that Giberry Blew up. Not blaming Fisher here because I am not sure who he was supposed block. Was Gilberry supposed to be released untouched as he was, it looked like Fisher should have blocked him, but WHY was that Play even Called.. Everything else was working at that point.
    This was a play I counted against Fisher, although I do believe Gilberry was supposed to be given a free release. It was a 'grey area' type play

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seek View Post
    So in Theory, if Fisher is moved back to LT today. What does that fix?
    Just maybe our LT problem. Not short term, but long term. Gods of football played a dirty joke on the Chiefs in that we got the top pick in the only draft in the recent years that there was not a blue chip future star available. So we drafted the best LT in the draft. Fisher was considered the best LT solely because of the upside most draft experts saw in him. Upside means you can't expect him to pan out right away. You just freaking develop the kid. Instead they've been very schizophrenic with his development (and by extension, his career). Just put the kid on the left of the line, and take your early lumps until he is a legit LT!

    Quote Originally Posted by Seek View Post
    The problem has been At RG. They are stunting between the Center and RT and then brining an blitz past those stunts some times untouched. Stephenson at LT is getting beat with very similar stunts.
    I totally agree. I have mentioned my observation that it seems crappy play by a guard can ruin the neighboring tackle's performance more so than the other way around. Well, two of our O-linemen graded out over 2 by PFF for the Bengals game. Which two? Fisher and Grubbs. It means fisher played well despite the crappy play by the RG, while Stephenson sucked all by himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brdempsey69 View Post
    This was a play I counted against Fisher, although I do believe Gilberry was supposed to be given a free release. It was a 'grey area' type play
    My point was more about the poor play call and poor execution all around. I never thought Fisher would be a bad RT or player for th echiefs. He is not on my radar of problems to fix right now. I get not joy in his failures, or feel like I need to prove my opinion of him as a LT. I just remember looking at that play saying WT.... I saw Fisher block no one and then look back after it was blown up. Again, I don't know who he was supposed to block but we were moving the ball that drive, until that play. Moving Fisher to the LT won't fix that. It won't fix the Center/RG/RT stunts that are getting blown up either unless you think Stephenson would be a better RG and Allen at Rt.

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    Their was one play Stevenson and Grubbs got walked back right into Alex as soon as he snapped the ball, when that happened I was like umm you guys so know your playing a professional sport right? I can't put that on Alex when they get walked right back into him, I actually felt sorry for Alex on those hits yesterday
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    I say we go double and tripple tight end s3ts for maximum protection and run and use play action pass out of it for th3 rest of the year. 5hen we only need maclin as a wr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankenchief View Post
    Thanks for the optimistic post, but you may be TOO optimistic here. You pretty much described a flawless scenario. And that is not realistic.

    My reactions are in red within your post.
    Well, something has to give. If my scenario plays out with Smith at the helm, it'll be status quo for the next few seasons. If you think it's too optimistic and they have a sub .500 record at the end of the year, we may be looking at wholesale changes... which might be what the team needs.

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    Its time to fire john Dorsey the gm is fail!! Grubbs is no rookie go watch the film on him number #66 worst O-line ive ever seen at kc!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kcman View Post
    Its time to fire john Dorsey the gm is fail!! Grubbs is no rookie go watch the film on him number #66 worst O-line ive ever seen at kc!!
    Per PFF:

    Top performers:
    LG Ben Grubbs (+2.7)
    HB Jamaal Charles (+2.4)
    RT Eric Fisher (+2.1)
    K Cairo Santos (+2.3)
    OLB Justin Houston (+1.2)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankenchief View Post
    Per PFF:

    Top performers:
    LG Ben Grubbs (+2.7)
    HB Jamaal Charles (+2.4)
    RT Eric Fisher (+2.1)
    K Cairo Santos (+2.3)
    OLB Justin Houston (+1.2)
    I agree Franken however Houston has been a major dissapointment for me this year, seems like he needs the dline to do their job for him to produce, Poe has dissapointed as well even with back surgery

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankenchief View Post
    Per PFF:

    Top performers:
    LG Ben Grubbs (+2.7)
    HB Jamaal Charles (+2.4)
    RT Eric Fisher (+2.1)
    K Cairo Santos (+2.3)
    OLB Justin Houston (+1.2)
    Grubbs did have a much better game against Cincy than GB.

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