Chiefs fire John Dorsey

[Eydugstr]

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Chiefs fire G.M. John Dorsey

Posted by Michael David Smith on June 22, 2017, 4:15 PM EDT
ADVANCE FOR WEEKEND EDITIONS, MARCH 9-10 – FILE – In this Jan. 14, 2013, file photo, Kansas City Chiefs general manager John Dorsey, left, poses with head coach Andy Reid during an NFL football news conference announcing Dorsey’s hiring in Kansas City, Mo. The new group in charge of the Chiefs is going right to work, making bold moves to turn around a franchise that went 2-14 last season. (AP Photo/Charlie Riedel, File)"

AP

In a surprise announcement at what is ordinarily the slowest time of the year in the NFL, the Chiefs have fired General Manager John Dorsey.
The Chiefs issued a statement saying Dorsey is out.
“I notified John that we would not be extending his contract beyond the 2017 season, and after consideration, we felt it was in his best interests and the best interests of the team to part ways now,” owner Clark Hunt said in a statement.
That announcement came about half an hour after the Chiefs announced that head coach Andy Reid has signed a contract extension. That will obviously lead to speculation that perhaps Dorsey and Reid weren’t on the same page, and that Reid won a power struggle within the organization. Dorsey recently made the surprising decision to cut an old favorite of Reid’s, Jeremy Maclin.
Dorsey is the third G.M. to be fired this offseason.

[ctchiefsfan]

This is about the only thing I can think of. Can't think of anything else that it could have been

I'm inclined to agree. But I just read an article by Sam Mellinger http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...157737484.html who theorizes that much as the Chiefs were in the process of reworking Reid's deal they were also looking to do an extension for Dorsey and that Dorsey insisted on a clause or clauses that Hunt simply found unacceptable. I find it hard to imagine anything that Dorsey would have demanded that would not only be a deal killer but would also get him fired but certainly that idea seems no more far-fetched than Dorsey getting fired in the first place. So who knows?

I've leaned towards the idea that this was all about the cap problems yet at the same time Dorsey had recently fired our Cap Specialist (Trip MacCracken) which seems to have been an effort to try to start fixing the cap-hell we've been in the last 3 years. So if Dorsey was actively taking measures to try to fix the problem why do you fire him? Generally in business if a manager is taking steps to fix a problem then more senior management gives them time to try to fix it.

All in all I'm just as confused as all hell about this situation.

[Eydugstr]

I've seen that Dorsey butted heads with Hunt over the last couple of months and it has a lot to do with Berry's contract, apparently Hunt had to step in and make it happen

C4L - can you post a link to that story?

[ctchiefsfan]

C4L - can you post a link to that story?

Dugstr....I too have seen some mention of there being a bit of contention or "head butting" as well. Wish I could point you at something solid but I've read so many of them that would know where to go to find a specific article to link here. But it's all been in stories that have come out since the firing and it been more along the lines of conjecture than any affirmative statement and it's been in articles that also mentioned other possibilities. I've read numerous articles from many sources and like us guys here none of them seems to know any more than any of us.

I have come to the conclusion that as things stand at the moment there are 1, 2 or at most 3 people that actually know why Dorsey was fired. Hunt, Dorsey and maybe Reid. And right now ain't none of them talking.

I saw an interesting vid by Terez Paylor and he did a lot of speculating (just like us) as to why this happened but his most telling comment was that he said that his usual "inside sources" were all as surprised as we are and had no idea why this happened. He leaned towards the theory that something got rancorous in extension talks between Hunt and Dorsey--probably about money or perhaps some "poison pill clause" (like the right to get out of his contract any time he wanted to go back to GB) that Dorsey wanted in the contract and that Hunt simply wouldn't budge. But all-in-all Paylor was very clear that he really didn't know anything more than anyone else.

I think it is going to be a long time before any of us really know...IF EVER.

You can find the Paylor vid burried in this KC Star article.... http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...157737484.html Be advised....there is no audio for the first 30 seconds to 1 minute.

And here is an article by Paylor on the subject in which he basically says nobody has a clue. http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...157640884.html

[Eydugstr]

Dugstr....I too have seen some mention of there being a bit of contention or "head butting" as well. Wish I could point you at something solid but I've read so many of them that would know where to go to find a specific article to link here. But it's all been in stories that have come out since the firing and it been more along the lines of conjecture than any affirmative statement and it's been in articles that also mentioned other possibilities. I've read numerous articles from many sources and like us guys here none of them seems to know any more than any of us.

I have come to the conclusion that as things stand at the moment there are 1, 2 or at most 3 people that actually know why Dorsey was fired. Hunt, Dorsey and maybe Reid. And right now ain't none of them talking.

I saw an interesting vid by Terez Paylor and he did a lot of speculating (just like us) as to why this happened but his most telling comment was that he said that his usual "inside sources" were all as surprised as we are and had no idea why this happened. He leaned towards the theory that something got rancorous in extension talks between Hunt and Dorsey--probably about money or perhaps some "poison pill clause" (like the right to get out of his contract any time he wanted to go back to GB) that Dorsey wanted in the contract and that Hunt simply wouldn't budge. But all-in-all Paylor was very clear that he really didn't know anything more than anyone else.

I think it is going to be a long time before any of us really know...IF EVER.

You can find the Paylor vid burried in this KC Star article.... http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...157737484.html Be advised....there is no audio for the first 30 seconds to 1 minute.

And here is an article by Paylor on the subject in which he basically says nobody has a clue. http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...157640884.html

TY for the links, ctc - I'm not trying to start an argument, C4L has posted a ton of much appreciated news/opinions on here, most of which comes to pass. But on this one I'd like to see as many cards on the table as possible. There's a lot of local sports talk radio that I just don't buy into, especially with something like this. Think of the old Reagan saying "Trust but verify...".

[ctchiefsfan]

TY for the links, ctc - I'm not trying to start an argument, C4L has posted a ton of much appreciated news/opinions on here, most of which comes to pass. But on this one I'd like to see as many cards on the table as possible. There's a lot of local sports talk radio that I just don't buy into, especially with something like this. Think of the old Reagan saying "Trust but verify...".

Dugstr...I'm sure C4L took no offense. And my post was in NO WAY intended to suggest that you shouldn't have asked him for some links. We're all trying to figure out what made this happen and anxious to read anything we can on the subject. I just saw your post and figured I'd chime in, give you a few links and my thoughts on the subject.

I've been following this story all over the web for about 24 hours now and to be honest the only conclusion I can come to is that outside of Hunt, Dorsey and MAYBE Reid NOBODY really knows what caused this. More theories on the web than fleas on a stray dog.

[brdempsey69]

Now comes the big question: who will the next GM be? Let's hope he's a good one and not another Pioli.

[Chiefs4life24]

They are looking externally and internally one name that pops up is Brett Veach

[ctchiefsfan]

Now comes the big question: who will the next GM be? Let's hope he's a good one and not another Pioli.

That's the 900 pound gorilla in the room. But I have an absolute LUNATIC idea (that I stole from another site) that I would like to propose to the group. Comments, flames, etc are WELCOME.

So here is the CRAZY idea. Let's be honest. We are all in shock. Us fans are shaken. I don't know how the players feel but I have to imagine they are a little shook up too. JC, Poe and Maclin gone. Alex Smith on his way out. DJ and Tamba also hanging by a thread. There isn't much in the way of potential GMs out there on the open market. Too late in the year. We let Ballard go to the damned Colts so the obvious replacement for Dorsey is already gone. The ship is in a hurricane, the Captain just went overboard and I'm wondering if the owner of the ship isn't drunk and passed out in his cabin. We NEED an immediate GM replacement to give the fans and the players a sense that everything is actually under control. We need to get back a sense of STABILITY. Rushing a choice for a new GM would be a MISTAKE. We need some TIME to find Dorsey's replacement but we need someone to create a sense of STABILITY and CONFIDENCE while we conduct an ORDERLY search for a new GM.

Ask Dick Vermeil to take command as "Interim GM". 6-8 months.

He wouldn't do it as a long term "job". He's enjoying being a "gentleman winery owner". But he is a friend of Reid so no conflict there and he is well respected. He's got a Super Bowl ring and surely knows football. He would soothe all the frayed nerves and give fans and players a sense of confidence while he and Hunt conducted an un-rushed search for a new GM. In short he'd be a respected figurehead that bought us some time to conduct a sensible search for a new GM.

What do y'all think? Has the shock of losing Dorsey caused me to completely lose my mind?

[Chiefs4life24]

One thing is for sure Dick would draft really well

[ctchiefsfan]

One thing is for sure Dick would draft really well

I highly doubt DV would take the job as more than an "interim GM" and I'm not at all sure he'd be a good GM long term if he would even take the job. Though if he wanted to make a comeback as Chiefs GM I would support it 100%. But IMO the Chiefs are in "crisis mode" and I think that IMMEDIATELY naming DV as "interim GM" would settle things down and alleviate the bad ju-ju that is coming with this move and the other releases this year. All indications suggest he is ENJOYING his retirement from football to being a "gentleman farmer". And I can't begrudge him that. But if I were Hunt I'd be on the phone RIGHT NOW begging DV to come in as "interim GM" for 6-8-10 months. At most through next years draft. Reid and DV are friends, so no problem there. I honestly think that this move would be in the best interests of the Chiefs.