The case against Andy Reid

**matthewschiefs** · 12-04-2017, 08:25 PM

I'm going to start by saying that Andy Reid was the right hire for the Chiefs in 2013. And he deserves a lot of credit for how far this team has come since the time he was hired. That was then and this is now. And now this team needs to move away from Andy Reid. Some feel that this is an overreaction so let me lay out my case in full.

Charge #1 PLAYCALLING!!!! This is something I think that we have all been frustrated with time and time again over the past few years. I know that I have been harping on this for years now. In postgame after postgame loss pressers, he has said over and over again that he has to do a better job in that. And yet the following week we see the SAME thing. Does he really recognize the problem? Or can he just not stop himself from running the failed plays? Either way, it has been something that has haunted him his entire NFL head coaching career. And if he hasn't learned in what is now 20 seasons will he ever? Yesterday it was reported he was giving up the duties but still overseeing the offense. And for the most part, the offense REALLY went well. But then like normal Andy just couldn't help himself. You have a defense that is struggling the ball and a 3rd and 1 you take out one of the best TEs in the NFL and call a play to get an O-linemen the ball? Surprise surprise it failed. Some might question if Andy called the play or Naggy? At the end of the day, Andy is the head coach and has the final call regardless. He just couldn't help himself one way or the other he allowed it to happen.

Charge #2 Discipline. We have seen this really stick out this season. Kelce has had a couple of them already and Peters did yesterday. We saw it some last season as well. You are damn right that you can put a lot of the blame for the guys losing their cool. But when you have so many cases of this it stands out. And as a head coach, it's your job to get this fixed. He hasn't. You can tell a lot about a coach by the discipline that his team has. And in this area, we have seen some very lackluster times. Between just bad penalties or plays losing it on the field, they don't have the discipline of a championship team.

Charge #3 Clock management. Like charge 1 this has been something that has haunted Andy his entire head coaching career. It is not quite at the level as the playcalling issue. But like the playcalling issue, I think this has been something that has left us all frustrated from time to time. While I can't point to one big thing in this regard relating to yesterdays game I can recall the time it bugged me the most. Going back to the playoff loss to the Pats. Late in the game Chiefs have the ball clock ticking way too much camera shows Andy just shaking his head. Doing nothing about it. And that time would come back to haunt the Chiefs in that playoff loss.

I'm not going to even pretend to say the Andy Reid shouldn't be an NFL head coach. If you are a team that is in need of being turned around then he is without a doubt a very good option to bring in to get things started. He is deserving of being one of the 32 guys that are an NFL head coach. But you are not going to get a championship level with him. He lacks the ability to fix the weakness in his teams. As I stated at the start he was the right hire for the position the Chiefs were in at that time. But now is the time it's time to move on. He has gone as far as he will go. It's time to move on from Andy Reid IMO If he could fix these issues I think he would have in the 20 years he has been an NFL coach.

**Seek** · 02-06-2018, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by jason1981

No thats not it. Its reid wont adapt to his players. Its that reid wont trust in his pkayers. Reid plays not to lose. Pederson pkays to win. The play beforebthe half going for it instead of a field goal is case in point. That says everything. Reid would have never made that call in the s.b. reid gets scared and conservative. The only time not to be a conservative is in a football game. Lol

I didn't see a whole lot different from Pederson and Reid, other than their looks, the player personnel, and The Eagles ran he ball more. Same poor time management, same dink and dunk conservative play calling until it was needed.

**jason1981** · 02-06-2018, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by Seek

I didn't see a whole lot different from Pederson and Reid, other than their looks, the player personnel, and The Eagles ran he ball more. Same poor time management, same dink and dunk conservative play calling until it was needed.

I think eagles were more agressive but either way reid wouldnt have went for it beforebhsl. He would have taken 3 points. I always wondered if foles was better then alex smith.

**matthewschiefs** · 12-24-2018, 01:08 AM

Was going to make another thread like this after tonight but thought of this one. Anyone who blindly allows someone who is clearly hurting the team to stick around deserves to be shown the door.

I believe that we have more talent on the defensive side of the ball then the results are showing. No way with Ford.Houston,Jones alone we should be on the bottom of the league on D. The fact that Sutton is still around is on Reid. And just continues to show that he just doesn't learn. He never learns. Just how I'm feeling right now

**Chiefster** · 12-24-2018, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by matthewschiefs

Can we get rid of this CT guy? Nobody keeps the all-important Matthewschiefs waiting This is ban worthy

What was that??? Matthewchiefs is worthy of banning???

**matthewschiefs** · 12-24-2018, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by Chiefster

What was that??? Matthewchiefs is worthy of banning???

You wouldn't ban me that would require doing work :)

But that reminds me it's been to long HEY MODS

**Chiefster** · 12-24-2018, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by matthewschiefs

You wouldn't ban me that would require doing work :)

But that reminds me it's been to long HEY MODS

Heh! Got me there. Get off my lawn!

**Chiefster** · 12-25-2018, 10:34 PM

I saw this on another board and thought it lent an interesting perspective:

"In the postgame press conference, he says he played Ward and Smith because he wanted to get a good look at them. He says Berry hit his snap count, and they pulled him at that point, as planned.

Fuller was expected to start, but he didn't go.
Parker was inactive.
Scandrick (as far as I can tell) never saw the field.
Erving practiced all week, but he didn't see the field.

Is it possible that Reid basically decided to take kind of a soft "rest the starters" approach to this game with the expectation that we'll easily beat the Raiders next week?"

**brdempsey69** · 12-26-2018, 03:53 AM

Originally Posted by Chiefster

I saw this on another board and thought it lent an interesting perspective:

"In the postgame press conference, he says he played Ward and Smith because he wanted to get a good look at them. He says Berry hit his snap count, and they pulled him at that point, as planned.

Fuller was expected to start, but he didn't go.
Parker was inactive.
Scandrick (as far as I can tell) never saw the field.
Erving practiced all week, but he didn't see the field.

Is it possible that Reid basically decided to take kind of a soft "rest the starters" approach to this game with the expectation that we'll easily beat the Raiders next week?"

That sounds plausible. The team just was flat, as a whole, against Seattle last Sunday & it seems as though they were looking ahead to the season final and playing at home against the Raiders.

**NJChiefs** · 12-26-2018, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by Chiefster

I saw this on another board and thought it lent an interesting perspective:

"In the postgame press conference, he says he played Ward and Smith because he wanted to get a good look at them. He says Berry hit his snap count, and they pulled him at that point, as planned.

Fuller was expected to start, but he didn't go.
Parker was inactive.
Scandrick (as far as I can tell) never saw the field.
Erving practiced all week, but he didn't see the field.

Is it possible that Reid basically decided to take kind of a soft "rest the starters" approach to this game with the expectation that we'll easily beat the Raiders next week?"

Rest Scandrick, and play Mahomes the whole game? Heh, heh... Now isn't that the silliest thing I've ever heard

**Chiefster** · 12-27-2018, 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by brdempsey69

That sounds plausible. The team just was flat, as a whole, against Seattle last Sunday & it seems as though they were looking ahead to the season final and playing at home against the Raiders.

Agreed, it did seem as if they were looking ahead to next week after learning of the LAC defeat at Baltimore.

Originally Posted by NJChiefs

Rest Scandrick, and play Mahomes the whole game? Heh, heh... Now isn't that the silliest thing I've ever heard

I thought this was strange as well and the only thing I could think of, given the premise, was that Reid didn't want to appear to be completely "mailing it in". Of course, all of this is mere conjecture.