Post season New Year same Ending #FIREANDY

[matthewschiefs]

Another season has come and broken our hearts. The term forward progress will trigger me for a while. But after a couple of days, I think we can talk about the season.

To me, our season can be summed up in one word. INCONSISTENT

Offense The bookends of our season the offense was at the top of their game. Hot start hot finish the middle was lackluster, to say the least. And that carried over to the playoff game. Hot start then faltered. What makes this even more frustrating we made changes by the end of the year. But in the playoff game, Andy Reid couldn't help himself a hot start then the return to the screens and ignore the NFL RUSHING CHAMPION. The players have shown they can be a VERY hard offense to stop the coaching showed that it couldn't stay out of the way. That is what makes the end all the more frustrating.

Defense. Like the offense INCONSISTENT. You never knew what D was going to take the field. Yes, they had some injuries. But there were weeks they were still able to give us a chance to win the football game. There were others when you couldn't even tell that we fielded a defense. While I don't really think there is any chance that Andy gets fired I think we have seen the last of Bob Sutton in KC. Hopefully, this will be of help to the defense. There are some very talented players on the defense that just did not play up to their talent level much of the season and for that, I have to think that the coaching wasn't where it needed to be.


Overall there were many causes of death for this years team. But mainly stubbornness. Stubbornness to change what wasn't working and hasn't worked for 5 years. This is one of the most frustrating ends to a season that I have seen yet. And seeing that we won't be making a head coaching change I just can't say that I expect any different next season. Overall IMO Andy Reid being Andy Ried is the cause of death.

All that being said there is still the excitement of a top-level potential franchise QB. To see him develop will be very fun. And worth the watch. And while as frustrated as I am with this team I still can't wait to see next season. GO CHIEFS

[ctchiefsfan]

CT. I don't want you to get me wrong

Not at all Matt. I admit that the circumstantial evidence that Reid is Marty 2.0 is mounting. I'm just not ready to convict him yet.

I'm not basing this solo on just this loss. Or this season. I'm looking at the overall work. 4 times in the history of the playoffs has a team blown a 18 point lead 2 of those are Andy Reid's Chiefs. That's half of them in league history in 5 years. And largely due to repeat issues. Meaning they DIDN'T LEARN from mistakes and they repeated them

I understand completely. The similarities are STRIKING. And worrisome. I'm not saying we should keep Reid as long as Philly did. Just saying I'm not ready to toss him yet. It's sort of like pornography and the Supreme Court....I can't define the moment when it will be right to fire Reid, but I think I will know it when I see it. Though it may take me longer to know it than it does others.

When it comes to playcalling I think it's also fair to look at other things. Such as Doug Pederson's Eagles. The issues we have had with the playcalling that have I think frustrated all of us over the Reid years haven't gone the Philly. They stayed In KC. They did Go from Philly to KC when Reid came to KC. If he was calling plays or not these are all Andy Reid issues. And IMO why we need to make a change.

Fair analogy. But another analogy is the coach (forget his name) that took over from Reid in Philly. Playoffs his first year and gone at the end of his 3rd year (IIRC). So as I say, the evidence that Reid is not much more than a repackaged version of Marty is mounting but I don't yet feel it's time to abandon the experiment. I need not remind you that it wasn't all that long ago that most all of us would have given our left testicle to return to the Marty days.

But that being said it's really a moot point it's clear they are going to stick with Reid. I just think that will lead us right back here a year from now. Frustrated about a playoff loss due to the same issues that we have been in each of the past few years now.

Yeah it is. IMO Reid is here for a minimum of 2 more years. And I think that is appropriate with a new QB and the regular season success Reid has brought us....including a playoff win FINALLY. That said, if after 2 more years we haven't made a deep playoff drive then I agree it will be time to very seriously ask ourselves if Reid has taken us as far as he is capable. In the meantime, while Saturdays game was a MAJOR DISAPPOINTMENT (along with the Colts game) I take some comfort from the fact that we have won the AFC West 2 years in a row for the first time ever and are 11-1 in the AFC West over the last 2 years. Do I have worries about Reid? HELL YES! But as painful as the playoffs have been since he got here for me anyway his accomplishments currently well outweigh his failures.

[Eydugstr]

Matt...Dugstr....

Part of the conversation as to why we lost to the Titans clearly revolves around a simple question...."Who was calling the Offensive plays when the Offense stopped producing?"

Some say Reid. Some say "who knows?" As evidence we get the babblings of the talking heads during the game who said something like "it looks like Reid is running the plays" and Reid's comment that "I called the bad plays and Matt called the good ones" along with the "looks like a duck" argument. I have said several times that none of this is solid evidence and have said why I feel it isn't. And so now we have something to further muddy the question. See the link below where Mike Florio (no huge expert either) states flatly that Nagy called ALL THE OFFENSIVE PLAYS.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-to-a-new-job/

So to be honest, I don't think any of us really knows who was calling the plays when the Offense stopped producing. So as I have said before, I cannot convict Reid of being guilty of losing that game based on the facts that have been presented. I'm not trying to convince anybody that Reid was or wasn't calling the plays. I'm just saying that I see no clear evidence one way or the other. I want to HANG SOMEONE for that loss as much as anyone, but I want to make sure I hang the right person.

Ctc yes I've read that clip too; For me it's easy to dismiss it as Nagy's way of covering for Reid. Keep in mind the ink is drying on his contract with Chicago, his worries about the Chiefs are over. My guess is that Reid covered for Nagy while Nagy talked to Chicago; Nagy is returning the favor. What leads me to believe Reid was calling the plays, combined with pattern the game went, is that during more than once in the game, Reid is clearly holding a playcard and covering his mouth.

I'm not trying to convict Reid. I've always stated that Reid will be around until he gives us a really bad losing season. A season where we won the Division title and had a home playoff game doesn't qualify as a BAD season. What I am wanting to see is Reid showing responsibility and making changes, with himself, the coaching staff, or the roster until games like this last one are a thing of the past.

[ctchiefsfan]

Ctc yes I've read that clip too; For me it's easy to dismiss it as Nagy's way of covering for Reid. Keep in mind the ink is drying on his contract with Chicago, his worries about the Chiefs are over. My guess is that Reid covered for Nagy while Nagy talked to Chicago; Nagy is returning the favor. What leads me to believe Reid was calling the plays, combined with pattern the game went, is that during more than once in the game, Reid is clearly holding a playcard and covering his mouth.

I'm not trying to convict Reid. I've always stated that Reid will be around until he gives us a really bad losing season. A season where we won the Division title and had a home playoff game doesn't qualify as a BAD season. What I am wanting to see is Reid showing responsibility and making changes, with himself, the coaching staff, or the roster until games like this last one are a thing of the past.

SHIP ON A SHINGLE!!!!!!!! I typed a lengthy reply and my computer went all wonky and I lost my reply when I tried to post it.. I'll try again in the morning. I'm too damned pished-off to try again now.

[Eydugstr]

SHIP ON A SHINGLE!!!!!!!! I typed a lengthy reply and my computer went all wonky and I lost my reply when I tried to post it.. I'll try again in the morning. I'm too damned pished-off to try again now.

LOL understand completely, ctc. Right now working with my backup computer because of windows 10 glitch.

[ctchiefsfan]

LOL understand completely, ctc. Right now working with my backup computer because of windows 10 glitch.

PLEASE don't talk to me about Windows 10!!!! I recently upgraded from XP because my beloved old machine had a heart attack and died just before the season started. Also had to upgrade to the latest version of Word (which I use non-stop for work) and that is a whole nuther nightmare with almost 3 years of files having been lost when my machine died. Having to redo work that had been saved has added about 20 hours per week to my work load. But screw all that! I'm now going to try to recreate the post I hade made in reply to yours.

[ctchiefsfan]

Ctc yes I've read that clip too; For me it's easy to dismiss it as Nagy's way of covering for Reid.

Good Grief Dugstr! You've got a full fledged "conspiracy theory" going on here! (insert chuckling sounds). You do believe that we landed on the moon and that a bunch of Arabs rather than the Bush Family took down the twin towers don't you??? Don't take my comments above too seriously. It's humor. I figure that we're all still hurting from Saturday and that a little humor will help with the healing.

Keep in mind the ink is drying on his contract with Chicago, his worries about the Chiefs are over. My guess is that Reid covered for Nagy while Nagy talked to Chicago; Nagy is returning the favor.

Not utterly implausible since I had known that Nagy was going to talk to Indy and another team that I forget but hadn't heard that he was going to interview with the Bears. But I just find it a little too far-fetched. IMO if Reid had snatched the playcalling away from Nagy mid-game, Nagy would have been PISHED and would have been more likely to take an "all deals are off" attitude. In addition, the reports I have seen are that Nagy and the Bears interviewed Sunday AFTER THE GAME.

What leads me to believe Reid was calling the plays, combined with pattern the game went, is that during more than once in the game, Reid is clearly holding a playcard and covering his mouth.

Problem with that theory is that during EVERY GAME where we believe Nagy was calling the plays you saw Reid holding his play menu, covering his mouth and jabbering on his headset. During the games where we believe Nagy was calling the plays Reid acted NO DIFFERENTLY on the sidelines than he did when he was calling the plays in the earlier games. First couple of times that I saw Reid doing that during a game where Nagy was supposed to be doing the playcalling I thought..."OH NO! Reid has taken the playcalling back!!!). But the style of playcalling didn't change so I concluded this was just Reid being Reid. I mean...if Nagy was calling the plays, we didn't really expect Reid to stand by the bench like a potted plant did we? But since we have a good "conspiracy theory"....here's another to add to the mix....As you will recall, Reid supposedly turned much of the playcalling over to Doug Pedersen. And that helped Pedersen get a head coaching job. Now Reid supposedly turns the playcalling over to Nagy and Nagy gets a HC position. What if it's all been a COMPLETE SHAM? What if Reid has been calling the plays all along and the reports that of Reid turning over playcalling to first Pedersen and then Nagy were just a game to help them get promoted?

I'm not trying to convict Reid. I've always stated that Reid will be around until he gives us a really bad losing season.

I agree. Clarke isn't going to fire Reid unless Reid has 2-3 really bad seasons in a row or unless Reid goes "Full Marty" and we go "one and done" for 5 or 6 seasons in a row. We should all remember that it wasn't all that long ago that most of us would have given our left testicle to get someone who could return us to the Marty years.

A season where we won the Division title and had a home playoff game doesn't qualify as a BAD season. What I am wanting to see is Reid showing responsibility and making changes, with himself, the coaching staff, or the roster until games like this last one are a thing of the past.

Quite right. 5 winning seasons in a row, 4 out of 5 seasons making the playoffs, FINALLY a playoff win and two AFC West Championships in a row is not a bad season or a bad record. In fact, Reid has an EXCELLENT record in KC....there is just this small problem....he talks the girl out of her clothes and into bed, has GREAT foreplay and then when it's time to "seal the deal" he wilts...or anyway he has so far. As to responsibility, making changes to coaching staff etc.....Well...you appear to be getting your wish. We've got a new GM who I think it is safe to say is going to do Reid's bidding. Nagy is gone, Childress and Sutton are supposedly on their way out (and will certainly be replaced by Reid choices. Alex is on his way out and Mahomes is on his way in (and I believe Mahomes was mostly or all Reid's doing), Tamba is on his way out and some other "name players" will likely be gone with him. In short, for better or for worse Reid is now pretty much in control of the entire team and coaching staff. Reid will now be almost 100% responsible for every win and every loss. Reid wanted more control and he talked Clark into giving him (Reid) enough rope to hang himself or fly like an eagle. We will see what happens. But I don't see Clark Hunt reversing his decision unless Reid well and truly hangs himself. Hunt wouldn't have given Reid this much power unless he was pretty damned happy with the way things have gone so far

[matthewschiefs]

CT- You have used the term not ready to convict a lot

So lets go with this trial theme. Let me ask you where is the "reasonable doubt" What is it that keeps you hopeful?

[Coach]

We can complain about playcalling all we want, but the reality is that we didn’t run that many plays in the 2nd half. Because we couldn’t stop the run. We lost this playoff game for the same reason we lost last year’s playoff game. We were giving up 6+ yards per carry.
The final Tenn drive with 2 minutes left we had 3 timeouts, They went run, run, run. We played run, run, run. They converted and ran the clock out. Last year it was Laveon Bell, this year it was Derrick Henry. Same story, different jersey.

It became very clear in the 2nd half that this years Chiefs team wasn’t a super bowl team. Even if they had found a way to squeak out a win in this game it was delaying the inevitable. You can’t give up 5+ yards per carry and expect to win in the playoffs.
I’m hoping for a new OC, new DC, new ST coaches. And Mahomes. Anything less will be a big disappointment.

[ctchiefsfan]

CT- You have used the term not ready to convict a lot

So lets go with this trial theme. Let me ask you where is the "reasonable doubt" What is it that keeps you hopeful?

If it please the court.... :)

Winning is contagious. Reid wins. 11-5, 9-7, 11-5, 12-4, 10-6. In the playoffs 4 out of 5 years and a whisker away the 5th year. Broke the 22 year curse of 1 and done. 2 AFC West Championships in a row. Best winning % of any Chiefs coach EVER (.663). Better than Stram, better than Marty, better than DV, better than any of them. KC has had 13 Head Coaches. Reid is one of only 4 of them that has a winning % of 501 or better and that is over the course of 58 years.

Reid is a damned fine leader of men. As evidence I present the fact that he took a Chiefs team that in 2012 was 2-14 and in 2013 made it an 11-5 team and the only major difference was Alex Smith (Kelce accomplished nothing his rookie year). Did the schedule help? Sure it did. But an easy schedule didn't help Romeo any now did it? What Reid is really good at is uniting a team and getting them all working together towards a common goal. You can't win SQUAT if you don't have that. And few Chiefs coaches have even been able to perform that much.

So being realistic the reason so many people want to #FIREANDY is because he is 1-4 in the playoffs. I "get that". We live in a society where everyone wants everything RIGHT DAMNED NOW! NO DELAY ACCEPTED! But you have to get to the playoffs to have a chance to win the Super Bowl. And Reid gets us to the playoffs. Building a CONSISTENT championship level team is damned tough. Not many teams repeat as Conference Champions more to the point Super Bowl Champions. Few coaches even build a consistent playoff team. Reid has built a CONSISTENT playoff team. Not many coaches do that. Can he make us a consistent playoff winner, a consistent AFC Championship maker, maybe even a consistent Super Bowl maker? I don't know. But I DO KNOW that our Chiefs can't be any of those things if we aren't FIRST a consistent playoff maker. And Reid has made us that. The path to glory is long and rocky. Hard on the feet. But you ain't never going to complete that journey if you don't take the first steps. Reid has taken the first two steps. He's made our Chiefs a CONSISTENT WINNER and a CONSISTENT playoff maker. Now he needs to take the next step on that long and rocky path to glory. Can he do it? I DON'T KNOW. But at least he has taken the first two steps on that path. And that is more than anyone except Stram and Marty have ever done.

So in conclusion Your Honor Reid has EARNED THE RIGHT to continue his effort to complete his journey on the path to glory.

The Defense rests. You can shoot me in 5 years if Reid turns into Marty 2.0. Thank you Your Honor.

[Coach]

Well said CT. I’m not in the fire Andy camp for many of the reasons you mentioned. But I am in favor of someone else calling plays and a new defensive coordinator and potentially a new defensive scheme. We need to find a way to stop the run and play more consistently on both sides of the ball.