Croyle and the rest of this season?

[greg3564]

This is a harsh opinion, but I'm throwing it out there.

So when do we start Croyle? The last game of the season? Unless they draft offensive linemen and acquire some talent off the market(which they won't) the O will be just as terrible next year as it is this year. So do it now. Yes, it will be tough. It will also show what he's made of in toughness and mentality.

They knew they had issues going back to last year and even the pre-season. Did they bring in any starting free agents? Nope. Did they draft any potential starting O-line players? Nope.

Herm and Peterson keep telling us that the team needs to be younger but keep bringing in old talent. ie Law, Surtain, Turley, etc. Instead they invested a boat load of money into an ineffective RB in Larry Johnson who didn't even have the decency to honor his contract. That guy is another T.O. and Moss and infects the locker room like a virus. They should have kept Bennett and sent his sorry a$$ packing when he pulled that. Call Vermeil what you want, but he brought in good decent players you liked and they performed for him. He didn't like LJ and I guess we're starting to see why.

Personally, the rest of this season is a wash. Yeah, we might win the West, but it sure isn't anything to brag about like past years. That will be it, because we can't even come close to competing in the playoffs. Start Croyle, maybe rotate some developing O line players and let's give the "QB of the future" some experience and serious playing time.

Huard will not win us a Superbowl, the O line will not win us a Superbowl and a strong defense alone will not win us a Superbowl. I want a Bowl appearance and I really could care less about winning the AFC West. I think we sell ourselves short and are settling for less if all we really care about is the AFC West. We as fans need to demand more.

I'm so disappointed this year. I knew we would struggle, but not to this extent. There are so many problems that this team needs to address. All the way from ageing corners, ageing QB and a failure of an effective O line. They need to really, really shake something up now! You also never hear if Huard has even taken a leadership role in this team.

[chief31]

at this point in the season, unless he's just awful, you're right, you shouldn't draft another QB in april. But, the Chiefs were about to pull the trigger on Quinn this year.

If we turn the ball over to Croyle right now, you have to wait at least till 09 to draft another QB. If we had started Croyle at the start of the season, we'd have a better idea about him. But like i said earlier, Carl's decision to go with Huard has set this team back another 2 years at the QB position...and that's if Croyle is THE GUY. If he's not, CP has set us back another 5.

It's just demoralizing to know this franchise has no foresight.

The way I see it, is that they are using good judgement in the matter. Because if Croyle had started the season, then he most likely would have struggled alot. Partly from trying to "learn on the fly", and partly form the poor offensive line.

That would have painted a very ugly picture. Eveyone decides to move on without Croyle, having not given him a serious opportunity. Not to mention the fact that we would likely do as you suggested and draft one in the first round. Forcing him into a bad situation without offensive line talent again. (Unlikely that we can find what this line needs through free-agency, and unlikely that Herm would allow both of his first two draft picks to be used on offensive prospects.) Thus starting the vicious circle that alot of teams get cuaght-up in, where they seem to be unable to find a quarterback, because they haven't done enough with the offensive line, for those quarterbacks to find any success.

Forsight. From a different angle.

[texaschief]

You're assuming we would use our top draft picks on the O-line. Personally, i think our first pick next year will be on a CB if one is available.

[hermhater]

Yeah, you guys go ahead and argue Football, while others are not here to defend.


What are we talking 'bout? (Yawwwwwwwnnn)

[chief31]

You're assuming we would use our top draft picks on the O-line. Personally, i think our first pick next year will be on a CB if one is available.

I don't doubt that at all. No matter how obvious it may be that the offensive line is the weakest link on this team, I fully expect it to be underappreciated again.

[Chiefster]

Huard will not win us a Superbowl, the O line will not win us a Superbowl and a strong defense alone will not win us a Superbowl. I want a Bowl appearance and I really could care less about winning the AFC West. I think we sell ourselves short and are settling for less if all we really care about is the AFC West. We as fans need to demand more.

Hard to argue with that.

I don't doubt that at all. No matter how obvious it may be that the offensive line is the weakest link on this team, I fully expect it to be underappreciated again.

Same here.

[texaschief]

it needs to be said that if we start re-building this offensive line with high draft picks, we may not see positive results for a season or two and it doesn't seem like too many Chiefs fans have that kind of patience.

I can just see people jumping on this board in a couple years *****ing about and asking why Herm didn't sign vet FAs to man the O-line.

I just don't see a quick solution on the O-line right now.

just my .02.

[Chiefster]

it needs to be said that if we start re-building this offensive line with high draft picks, we may not see positive results for a season or two and it doesn't seem like too many Chiefs fans have that kind of patience.

I can just see people jumping on this board in a couple years *****ing about and asking why Herm didn't sign vet FAs to man the O-line.

I just don't see a quick solution on the O-line right now.

just my .02.

Heh, it seems that in order to win big ya gotta lose big.

[texaschief]

Heh, it seems that in order to win big ya gotta lose big.

omg...wtf have i been saying all season?!!!!

apparently, this line of thinking is "cowardly" though.

[Chiefster]

omg...wtf have i been saying all season?!!!!

apparently, this line of thinking is "cowardly" though.

This is not a unique line of thinking.

[timsatt1]

Exactly where I already said that we disagree. Especially since you would go and draft a QB if he doesn't play well. Peyton Manning didn't play well in his first season either. I am thrilled that by him sitting this long, he is going to get a real chance to succeed. Because even if he struggles people may not be in as big a hurry to replace him. I would much rather see him get a chance to play when we have a solid offense for him to work with.

I think, I know I have said it alot, that from the sidelines, a young qb gets alot of experience. Very little "garbage time" is neccessary, in my opinion.



I'm not sure why you think you are alone on this line of thinking. It is such an easy stance to take, considering that our running game has been so poor, so far. It's not like you are going out on some limb by saying that you expect it to improve now.

I would venture to gguess that the majority around here feel the same way. With so much room for improvement, why would anyone be shocked to see the change cause an improvement? It's not like the running game can get much worse.

umm, maybe you are not reading my message right or something. I blamed Larry Johnson and his limitations 100% for the reason our running game is aweful. I said our line really isnt that bad, it is just that other teams did stat analysist on Johnsons 2 major years of playing time and realized that he is not quick enough to get around the outside.

therefore, bring 9 guys in the box where there is no way he is gonna get free up the middle, and dont worry about the sides, he cant get around. He is too slow.

That was my main point. I am saying NOW it is going to be exposed as we have a GOOD RUNNING GAME throughout the season. That is my prediction. Not simply "improvement" on our running game. I said NOW THAT JOHNSON IS OUT OUR RUNNING GAME IS GOING TO EXIST, it is going to be GOOD!!!!!

thank you and that is all. Priest is going to be a monster with his versatility being able to run up the middle, around the side, or catching in the secondary or a screen pass to the side. He is such a great threat that they will not be able to pack the middle up, they have to be ready for priest to go anywhere on the field. You can do a stat analysist on priest and he does too many different things to be able to just "stop the middle".

Johnson has been exposed and never again will be what he was when the best offensive line in the nfl made it look like he was a great runningback.