3rd Down conversions.

[hermhater]

How can we fix this problem?

Do you think this is the number one issue with offensive output this season?

This is an excerpt discussing the issue of how the Defensive penalties by the Packers helped our offense.

Here's what happened on each of the five 3rd downs the Chiefs had in the first half:

• 3rd and 3 - Huard sacked for -5 yards
• 3rd and 5 - Huard sacked for -4 yards
• 3rd and 6 - False start on RT Chris Terry (bailed out on the next play by defensive holding)
• 3rd and 11 - First down via defensive holding
• 3rd and 13 - Incomplete to Tony Gonzalez
• 3rd and 5 - Huard sacked for -8 yards
• 3rd and 7 - Incomplete pass to Jeff Webb

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/story/2007/11/5/93641/3031

[luv]

Quicker release.
Better Oline coverage.
Pass to the target.
Knowing when to throw it away.
Knowing when to drag your feet on a sideline catch.

[hermhater]

Then why aren't these things being coached?

Are we just lacking in talent, or is this VERY basic offensive scheme too complex for the coaches to teach?

We get called for illegal shifts as well.

I don't think we have been outclassed by talent this year in our opponents.

It is a coaching issue.

Thank you luv for pointing that out!

[luv]

Then why aren't these things being coached?

Are we just lacking in talent, or is this VERY basic offensive scheme too complex for the coaches to teach?

We get called for illegal shifts as well.

I don't think we have been outclassed by talent this year in our opponents.

It is a coaching issue.

Thank you luv for pointing that out!

We suck at developing talent. If the players don't pick up on it themseles or have the seemingly natural talent. I don't think it's all coaching though. We have players that lack talent.

[chief31]

It seems that there are two camps on this issue. On one hand, you have those that choose to believe that Huard is the problem. Rather that would be blamed on Dick Curl (QB Coach), Mike Solari (O_Coordinator), Herm Edwards, or directly on Huard himself , is where there could be variations to that.

On the other hand, there are those who feel that the offensive line is to blame. (I would obviously be in that camp.) The blame for that could be leaned toward Herm Edwards, Carl Peterson (General Manager), or the players themselves.

The things that lean me toward the offensive line being the real problem are a couple of things.

A.) The running game. Just looking at the sample that HH supplied, there were seven third-down samples. Six of them were third-and-five, or more. What is causing us to gain less than six yards on our first two plays of most of our possessions?

Seemingly, it would be the lack of a running game. I don't hoold LJ responsible, as much as most, because he is the same person who was doing so well last season. It would be hard for me to believe that he has changed so dramatically, in such a short time. Whereas the offensive linemen have changed. Damien McIntosh, John Welbourne and Chris Terry are new to the position that they are on, or the team. Not to mention the talent level of the players who they are trying to replace.

B) Again, with a new bunch of guys playing together, in a toally new arrangment, and a crystal-clear talent drop-off, if they are struggling so clearly, to execute in the running game, and there are alot of sacks being allowed, on a guy who was not getting sacked often last year, with this team, then I look at what has changed from last year. Primarily those same offensive linemen.

Where do I choose to shift the bulk of the blame for the offensive linemens struggles? Herm Edwards. He has a seven year draft record that seems to expose Herm as disintersted in, or perhaps just not sold on the importance of, offensive linemen.

Carl Peterson would get his share of that blame, but he has a pretty good track-record with regards to offensive linemen. I think he should have taken a more active role in convincing Herm that there was a very serious need amongst that group.

That's what I have on it, for now. I have to go back to work. Errr Somethin'.

[hermhater]

We suck at developing talent. If the players don't pick up on it themseles or have the seemingly natural talent. I don't think it's all coaching though. We have players that lack talent.

I think our talent is great. They just lack the fundamentals.

[anaeelbackwards]

I think our talent is great. They just lack the fundamentals.

agreed.

we have the offensive weapons (tgunz,dbo,lj,priest,etc.) just not the right tools(o-line) to back them up. you can even throw the qb in there..

[hermhater]

agreed.

we have the offensive weapons (tgunz,dbo,lj,priest,etc.) just not the right tools(o-line) to back them up. you can even throw the qb in there..

Agreed!

Huard was great last year when we had the talent to help him out.

We never should have pulled him after Green got back. There was no reason for that because he was in the thick of the season and had momentum with the offense.

Boob Sanders helped the Colts to the Super Bowl, but he really helped the Colts D stop LJ last year.

Don't worry though! This WILL NOT be a typical Chiefs year!

We will win the Division, the Conference, and the SUPER BOWL!

[anaeelbackwards]

Agreed!

Huard was great last year when we had the talent to help him out.

We never should have pulled him after Green got back. There was no reason for that because he was in the thick of the season and had momentum with the offense.

Boob Sanders helped the Colts to the Super Bowl, but he really helped the Colts D stop LJ last year.

Don't worry though! This WILL NOT be a typical Chiefs year!

We will win the Division, the Conference, and the SUPER BOWL!

oooo HH you got that much faith in our offense-less team eh? i wish for that so much... while loving my team, i want to be realistic as well and try not to get my heart broken. haha.. u willing to beat some of that hard earned casino cash of yours eh? lol

[hermhater]

Agreed!

Huard was great last year when we had the talent to help him out.

We never should have pulled him after Green got back. There was no reason for that because he was in the thick of the season and had momentum with the offense.

Boob Sanders helped the Colts to the Super Bowl, but he really helped the Colts D stop LJ last year.

Don't worry though! This WILL NOT be a typical Chiefs year!

We will win the Division, the Conference, and the SUPER BOWL!

oooo HH you got that much faith in our offense-less team eh? i wish for that so much... while loving my team, i want to be realistic as well and try not to get my heart broken. haha.. u willing to beat some of that hard earned casino cash of yours eh? lol

Yep!

If, and when, I get my 299,999 back the Sports Book I will bet it all on the Chiefs winning the Super Bowl!

I will always say the Chiefs are gonna win!

They have the best players in the NFL!

Just can't wait for HERM to unleash them!

GO CHIEFS!!!