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    SYMPTOMS OF THE ILLNESS

    Bob, a season-ticket holder for 17 years now, lives in the suburbs of Kansas City. He’s been a Chiefs fan for longer than most of the current players have been alive. He admits, Arrowhead has lost the magic. But why?

    It boils down to one word.

    “The fans have no confidence and you can sense that,” he says. “It may be loud at times, but the fans are easily taken out of it by lackluster play. There’s booing, empty seats, people leaving early, season-ticket holders selling their seat to opposing fans - Green Bay especially. It was embarrassing the way their fans took over our stadium.”

    Of course, there’s the usual list of suspects, too. A boring, predictable offense, a defense that’s good, but not dominant enough to inspire anyone, and too many quiet fans complaining about their rowdy brethren (the preferred moniker for this brand of football fan is “wine and cheese,” in case you’re not up on the lingo). But Brandon, a Des Moines, Iowa resident who’s cheered on the red and gold since their arrival in Missouri, saw something particularly disturbing this year.

    “At one game there was obviously many new attendees in the stadium because the entire crowd started the wave while our offense was on the field trying to score,” he laments. “That, to me, showed that many regulars were not in attendance.”

    But sometimes it’s about more than the decibel level, a silly stadium tradition or a particular brand of fan. When a stadium begins to die, there’s something else taking place, and we’re not talking about the swing of the wrecking ball that will surely pulverize Arrowhead to the ground in a few decades.

    This symptom isn’t tangible. You can’t see it or touch it. Doug has definitely felt it, though.

    “Ultimately, it’s about hope for the direction of the team,” he says. “The fan base has lost hope, thus the lethargic stadium.

    “No one has any hope that the situation will get better,” says Mike, whose family has held season tickets for 21 years. “Basically, the fans have just completed a 20-year arc with no discernible progress. We started out with Marty with almost no fans, near the bottom of the league, and we are back.”

    No hope? Who is crushing your dreams, Chiefs fans?

    THE DIAGNOSIS

    Russ, who’s been sitting in season-ticket seats for 14 years now, travels three hours each way from Glenwood, Iowa to attend Chiefs games. He was hurt this year when Packers fan exited Arrowhead Stadium chanting “Go, Pack, Go!” and likens hearing the ever-present rhythms of Tony DiPardo’s TD Pack Band to “Groundhog Day.” He’s tired of watching “boring football.”

    Clearly, Russ is a disgruntled season-ticket holder of the highest magnitude. Who does he blame for his Arrowhead depression?

    “Carl Peterson,” says Russ. “He's in charge. He's the ultimate person to blame from coaching choices, personnel, rising ticket prices, changing parking lot policy and not having premium seating available on a 'standard' seat upgrade.”

    Yes, Peterson is a target for many Chiefs fans. In fact, season-ticket holders across the board mentioned Peterson above all others as the source of their disappointment. But it’s fair to say he’s not alone.

    “The easy answer is Carl, he should shoulder much of the blame, but I also blame Edwards,” says Jason. “Herm doesn't interact with the crowd and try to get them riled up. When Dick Vermeil used to come onto the field he would smile and wave his hands at the crowd. That showed how much he appreciated us. But I also blame Vermeil to some extent. He turned the Chiefs into an old ball club with little left in reserve for the future. He had five years to win, and didn't much care about the roster once his five years were up.”

    It’s not just the men in charge of on-the-field matters, however. Two season-ticket holders singled out the Hunt family for not taking appropriate action, and offensive coordinator Mike Solari took his share of the blame. Clearly, Chiefs fans aren’t happy with a wide variety of high-profile faces that run the Chiefs.

    But here’s the good news – Arrowhead may not be dying. Even if it is, there’s a surefire cure.

    CHICKEN SOUP FOR SECTION 110

    OK, we exaggerated. If Arrowhead was really dying, the lower bowl wouldn’t have been nearly packed to the brim for the Raiders game last weekend. Despite that encouraging scene, everything is far from perfect. Brandon calls Arrowhead’s current state a “coma,” and most of his fellow season-ticket holders agree, at least in spirit.

    “It’s not dead yet,” says Rob, “but fans are beginning to lapse into apathy, due to lack of vision and real progress.”

    “No,” says Bob, refuting the notion of a dying Arrowhead. “The game day experience is not the same that it once was, though.”

    “No, it's just on a hiatus like any other team that looks horrible right now,” says a season-ticket holder who declined to identify himself. “As soon as the Chiefs field a competitive team that’s playoff worthy, the stands will fill back up and Carl can once again raise prices.”

    That’s right – season-ticket holders have no problem opening their wallets for a winner. Winning is the pill that can restore Arrowhead to its former vitality. Forget about the coming renovations. They’re nice, say season-ticket holders, but won’t mean squat without a balanced team within.

    “Renovations? I don't know,” says Brandon. “It depends on whether personal seat licenses are instituted. If so, the regular fan base of die-hards may not be able to afford to continue to be season-ticket holders. If this happens, wine and cheese crowds will take over for good.”

    “Only one thing will help,” says Bob. “Put a competitive team on the field, one that is capable of winning a playoff game or two, and the magic will come back.”

    THE INVOICE OF FRUSTRATION

    OK, I think the point has been made. Chiefs fans - and we’re talking about the “real fans,” mind you, not the “teachers” who will exchange the quarters and dimes they found in their couch cushions for upper-deck seats this weekend – are fed up. Arrowhead looks green around the gills (even without Packer fans inside) these days, and it might just honestly be better if it puked everything up and got it over with.

    Stupid medical analogies aside, just how much happiness CAN money buy? Say, the money that Bob, Rob, Jason, Mike, Shane, Russ and all the other dedicated fans poured into the Arrowhead Stadium coffers over the last 5, 10, 15 and yes, even 23 years?

    Well, we’re not going to name dollar amounts. Let’s just say if you put all the money our veteran band of season-ticket holders spent on the Chiefs in 2007 into one big pile, it wouldn’t pay for a used Maybach 62, but it might pay for the retractable electro-transparent partition screen upgrade (and as Dave Barry might say, we are not making this up).

    What did that money buy them? Did the scattered, dozen or so fans that we’ve just profiled get their money’s worth this year?

    “No,” says Doug.

    “Not even close,” says Brandon.

    “Not when I must pay full price for pre-season tickets and can't even give them away,” says Dave. “The greed of the Chiefs is getting significantly worse in every aspect of fan appreciation.”

    “No,” says Shane, “because the Chiefs are losing.”

    “No,” say Mike, Bob, Rob, Darrin, and Jason.

    “Ah, no,” says Russ (who, by the way, really hates those parking lot attendants, not to mention the Wolfpack Club). “I'll continue to spend though. I've got a certain group of friends that I only get to see on gameday.”

    “That's what makes it worth it - friendships with other fans.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by tammietailgator View Post
    true.... I just told my daughter what she might hear is not what mommy and daddy would say. She knew what to expect and that there are smarter ways to voice your opinion, but all in all, she will hear it and I have no right to tell someone with a ticket to watch their mouths... even though I would like to
    You should be yelling so loud your daughter can't hear the fans cursing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tammietailgator View Post
    Go ahead, jump ship.... I will be there to take your tickets... I will always be a fan, not a bored fan either- if you are all so freakin bored with the Chiefs then... why are you here posting and not out doing something less boring>???? Don't get me wrong, I know its over, but I still love my team.
    I didn't say that I was "freakin' bored with the Chiefs" I said that I was bored AT the game and then I listed several reasons.
    I thoroughly enjoy watching the Chiefs when I can actually WATCH THEM PLAY and not have to deal with all the other crap going on around me with ridiculous fans.
    And as for the cussing and the posts almost condoning it - sorry, I don't agree. I think that shows a TOTAL lack of class when people feel the need to drop "f-bombs" because of a FOOTBALL GAME! Gimme a break! I get excited (my husband actually asked me yesterday if I thought I might ever have a heart attack because of the Chiefs... to which I answered, "possibly" !!) but I never stoop so low that I have to use profanity. Just my opinion, of course, but I wish people would show some more class and respect others enough to watch their mouths.
    Ever since we got the season tickets when our son was just 2, I have dreamed about all the memories we will make as a family going to Chiefs games. Now I wonder what is the right age to start taking them with us?
    I don't want to have to explain to my son what those words mean... or that he shouldn't say them - that will just make him WANT to say those things. What ever happened to letting kids be innocent??
    Anyway... I just wanted to defend myself because I AM a Chiefs fan and I DON'T plan on turning my back on MY team or "jumping ship". Just because I don't want to spend my hard-earned money to sit with a bunch of cussing drunks while I watch a low-scoring game, doesn't mean that I am no longer a fan.
    Also - I am not sure how you drew the conclusion between posting here and needing to do something less boring. I was watching TV and I decided to come here and see everyone's reaction to the game. How does that relate to my feelings about the game?
    I could say that if you were a "real fan" you'd be at the game and you wouldn't need my tickets.
    I have only posted on here for a few weeks, but I continue to notice the attacks against each other when people don't agree with someone else's post.
    Sorry, I don't play like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hermhater View Post
    If you get your tickets randomly don't take your kids.

    Buy tickets from season ticket holders that can't make it to the game.

    Otherwise opposing teams fans will get the tickets (Green Bay).

    If you can't do that, then buy your tickets from a Chiefs fan.

    Buying tickets from the outlets will get you screwed.

    I don't get your post.... we have season tickets and there are still PLENTY of drunk people around us.
    Can you please explain it to me? Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by springchief View Post
    Anyway... I just wanted to defend myself because I AM a Chiefs fan and I DON'T plan on turning my back on MY team or "jumping ship". Just because I don't want to spend my hard-earned money to sit with a bunch of cussing drunks while I watch a low-scoring game, doesn't mean that I am no longer a fan.
    Not questioning your fandom, but you mentioned low scoring games. Would you be willing to overlook the drunk cussing fans if they were high scoring games? Are you giving up your tickets due to low scoring games or drunk fans? There will always be drunk cussing fans, win or lose. It makes more sense to me if that's your reasoning.
    Everything happens for a reason.

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    It was sad. At the game I was thinking man there is not a lot of ppl here. Even during the gaame there was a mass amount of ppl out in the parking lot still. Then when I came back home to watch the replays I saw a lot of empty seats. I was disappointed. The mood out at arrowhead was pretty bad. Who could blame us tho? Yesterday we had a good shot to beat the eggos and still be in the hunt, now it just seems like a very far far away thought.

    Ps, who else thought when luv's man jared allen went into the game, immediately knew that the play was designed for him? I did. Probably only the real good highlight of the game
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    Quote Originally Posted by luv View Post
    Not questioning your fandom, but you mentioned low scoring games. Would you be willing to overlook the drunk cussing fans if they were high scoring games? Are you giving up your tickets due to low scoring games or drunk fans? There will always be drunk cussing fans, win or lose. It makes more sense to me if that's your reasoning.
    First of all, we haven't decided to give up our tickets yet.
    Second, from my observations, when people have something to watch, it distracts them enough so that they aren't cussing, fighting, or drinking themselves into a stupor. It seems there is an indirect correlation between the pace of the game and the number of people doing obnoxious things.
    Back in 2004, when they were playing well and scoring lots of points, I hardly EVER saw the fighting or heard the amount of cussing that I have heard this year.
    I am a FAN - in the truest sense of the word - and I want to cheer on my team, win or lose. But when the so-called "fans" around me seem to be there just looking for a fight, it makes me dread the long drive and makes me wonder if it would be better to watch and cheer from home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaeelbackwards View Post
    It was sad. At the game I was thinking man there is not a lot of ppl here. Even during the gaame there was a mass amount of ppl out in the parking lot still. Then when I came back home to watch the replays I saw a lot of empty seats. I was disappointed. The mood out at arrowhead was pretty bad. Who could blame us tho? Yesterday we had a good shot to beat the eggos and still be in the hunt, now it just seems like a very far far away thought.

    Ps, who else thought when luv's man jared allen went into the game, immediately knew that the play was designed for him? I did. Probably only the real good highlight of the game
    I am so glad I can say I was there to see it in person!
    Everything happens for a reason.

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    I believe that the empty seats have to do with our losing streak... and people are just tired of seeing the Chiefs lose.

    Priest Holmes= my favorite Chiefs RB.. ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bryonc
    Is Arrowhead dying?
    In a word: "Yes".

    Carl Peterson has been slowly poisoning it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by springchief View Post
    I didn't say that I was "freakin' bored with the Chiefs" I said that I was bored AT the game and then I listed several reasons.
    I thoroughly enjoy watching the Chiefs when I can actually WATCH THEM PLAY and not have to deal with all the other crap going on around me with ridiculous fans.
    And as for the cussing and the posts almost condoning it - sorry, I don't agree. I think that shows a TOTAL lack of class when people feel the need to drop "f-bombs" because of a FOOTBALL GAME! Gimme a break! I get excited (my husband actually asked me yesterday if I thought I might ever have a heart attack because of the Chiefs... to which I answered, "possibly" !!) but I never stoop so low that I have to use profanity. Just my opinion, of course, but I wish people would show some more class and respect others enough to watch their mouths.
    Ever since we got the season tickets when our son was just 2, I have dreamed about all the memories we will make as a family going to Chiefs games. Now I wonder what is the right age to start taking them with us?
    I don't want to have to explain to my son what those words mean... or that he shouldn't say them - that will just make him WANT to say those things. What ever happened to letting kids be innocent??
    Anyway... I just wanted to defend myself because I AM a Chiefs fan and I DON'T plan on turning my back on MY team or "jumping ship". Just because I don't want to spend my hard-earned money to sit with a bunch of cussing drunks while I watch a low-scoring game, doesn't mean that I am no longer a fan.
    Also - I am not sure how you drew the conclusion between posting here and needing to do something less boring. I was watching TV and I decided to come here and see everyone's reaction to the game. How does that relate to my feelings about the game?
    I could say that if you were a "real fan" you'd be at the game and you wouldn't need my tickets.
    I have only posted on here for a few weeks, but I continue to notice the attacks against each other when people don't agree with someone else's post.
    Sorry, I don't play like that.


    Seems to me you DO play like that, I have never been lashed like this on this site. You want to talk about me not having tickets???? Well for one, I have two kids and a husband that has been sick for the last 2 weeks. I could not go to the game. I am a true fan and if you want to research all of my posts just to come up with one good bash... then you must be bored. I never said that I like or even respect people that use foul language at the stadium, but give me a break annie oakley... what are you really going to do about it? Maybe teach your kids that they are idiots that cannot think of something better to say? Thats the best choice! they are paying the same price for tickets as you are they are not celebrating with kids. It's, therefore, is not my place to tell them how to act.

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