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    SYMPTOMS OF THE ILLNESS

    Bob, a season-ticket holder for 17 years now, lives in the suburbs of Kansas City. He’s been a Chiefs fan for longer than most of the current players have been alive. He admits, Arrowhead has lost the magic. But why?

    It boils down to one word.

    “The fans have no confidence and you can sense that,” he says. “It may be loud at times, but the fans are easily taken out of it by lackluster play. There’s booing, empty seats, people leaving early, season-ticket holders selling their seat to opposing fans - Green Bay especially. It was embarrassing the way their fans took over our stadium.”

    Of course, there’s the usual list of suspects, too. A boring, predictable offense, a defense that’s good, but not dominant enough to inspire anyone, and too many quiet fans complaining about their rowdy brethren (the preferred moniker for this brand of football fan is “wine and cheese,” in case you’re not up on the lingo). But Brandon, a Des Moines, Iowa resident who’s cheered on the red and gold since their arrival in Missouri, saw something particularly disturbing this year.

    “At one game there was obviously many new attendees in the stadium because the entire crowd started the wave while our offense was on the field trying to score,” he laments. “That, to me, showed that many regulars were not in attendance.”

    But sometimes it’s about more than the decibel level, a silly stadium tradition or a particular brand of fan. When a stadium begins to die, there’s something else taking place, and we’re not talking about the swing of the wrecking ball that will surely pulverize Arrowhead to the ground in a few decades.

    This symptom isn’t tangible. You can’t see it or touch it. Doug has definitely felt it, though.

    “Ultimately, it’s about hope for the direction of the team,” he says. “The fan base has lost hope, thus the lethargic stadium.

    “No one has any hope that the situation will get better,” says Mike, whose family has held season tickets for 21 years. “Basically, the fans have just completed a 20-year arc with no discernible progress. We started out with Marty with almost no fans, near the bottom of the league, and we are back.”

    No hope? Who is crushing your dreams, Chiefs fans?

    THE DIAGNOSIS

    Russ, who’s been sitting in season-ticket seats for 14 years now, travels three hours each way from Glenwood, Iowa to attend Chiefs games. He was hurt this year when Packers fan exited Arrowhead Stadium chanting “Go, Pack, Go!” and likens hearing the ever-present rhythms of Tony DiPardo’s TD Pack Band to “Groundhog Day.” He’s tired of watching “boring football.”

    Clearly, Russ is a disgruntled season-ticket holder of the highest magnitude. Who does he blame for his Arrowhead depression?

    “Carl Peterson,” says Russ. “He's in charge. He's the ultimate person to blame from coaching choices, personnel, rising ticket prices, changing parking lot policy and not having premium seating available on a 'standard' seat upgrade.”

    Yes, Peterson is a target for many Chiefs fans. In fact, season-ticket holders across the board mentioned Peterson above all others as the source of their disappointment. But it’s fair to say he’s not alone.

    “The easy answer is Carl, he should shoulder much of the blame, but I also blame Edwards,” says Jason. “Herm doesn't interact with the crowd and try to get them riled up. When Dick Vermeil used to come onto the field he would smile and wave his hands at the crowd. That showed how much he appreciated us. But I also blame Vermeil to some extent. He turned the Chiefs into an old ball club with little left in reserve for the future. He had five years to win, and didn't much care about the roster once his five years were up.”

    It’s not just the men in charge of on-the-field matters, however. Two season-ticket holders singled out the Hunt family for not taking appropriate action, and offensive coordinator Mike Solari took his share of the blame. Clearly, Chiefs fans aren’t happy with a wide variety of high-profile faces that run the Chiefs.

    But here’s the good news – Arrowhead may not be dying. Even if it is, there’s a surefire cure.

    CHICKEN SOUP FOR SECTION 110

    OK, we exaggerated. If Arrowhead was really dying, the lower bowl wouldn’t have been nearly packed to the brim for the Raiders game last weekend. Despite that encouraging scene, everything is far from perfect. Brandon calls Arrowhead’s current state a “coma,” and most of his fellow season-ticket holders agree, at least in spirit.

    “It’s not dead yet,” says Rob, “but fans are beginning to lapse into apathy, due to lack of vision and real progress.”

    “No,” says Bob, refuting the notion of a dying Arrowhead. “The game day experience is not the same that it once was, though.”

    “No, it's just on a hiatus like any other team that looks horrible right now,” says a season-ticket holder who declined to identify himself. “As soon as the Chiefs field a competitive team that’s playoff worthy, the stands will fill back up and Carl can once again raise prices.”

    That’s right – season-ticket holders have no problem opening their wallets for a winner. Winning is the pill that can restore Arrowhead to its former vitality. Forget about the coming renovations. They’re nice, say season-ticket holders, but won’t mean squat without a balanced team within.

    “Renovations? I don't know,” says Brandon. “It depends on whether personal seat licenses are instituted. If so, the regular fan base of die-hards may not be able to afford to continue to be season-ticket holders. If this happens, wine and cheese crowds will take over for good.”

    “Only one thing will help,” says Bob. “Put a competitive team on the field, one that is capable of winning a playoff game or two, and the magic will come back.”

    THE INVOICE OF FRUSTRATION

    OK, I think the point has been made. Chiefs fans - and we’re talking about the “real fans,” mind you, not the “teachers” who will exchange the quarters and dimes they found in their couch cushions for upper-deck seats this weekend – are fed up. Arrowhead looks green around the gills (even without Packer fans inside) these days, and it might just honestly be better if it puked everything up and got it over with.

    Stupid medical analogies aside, just how much happiness CAN money buy? Say, the money that Bob, Rob, Jason, Mike, Shane, Russ and all the other dedicated fans poured into the Arrowhead Stadium coffers over the last 5, 10, 15 and yes, even 23 years?

    Well, we’re not going to name dollar amounts. Let’s just say if you put all the money our veteran band of season-ticket holders spent on the Chiefs in 2007 into one big pile, it wouldn’t pay for a used Maybach 62, but it might pay for the retractable electro-transparent partition screen upgrade (and as Dave Barry might say, we are not making this up).

    What did that money buy them? Did the scattered, dozen or so fans that we’ve just profiled get their money’s worth this year?

    “No,” says Doug.

    “Not even close,” says Brandon.

    “Not when I must pay full price for pre-season tickets and can't even give them away,” says Dave. “The greed of the Chiefs is getting significantly worse in every aspect of fan appreciation.”

    “No,” says Shane, “because the Chiefs are losing.”

    “No,” say Mike, Bob, Rob, Darrin, and Jason.

    “Ah, no,” says Russ (who, by the way, really hates those parking lot attendants, not to mention the Wolfpack Club). “I'll continue to spend though. I've got a certain group of friends that I only get to see on gameday.”

    “That's what makes it worth it - friendships with other fans.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by tammietailgator View Post
    Seems to me you DO play like that, I have never been lashed like this on this site. You want to talk about me not having tickets???? Well for one, I have two kids and a husband that has been sick for the last 2 weeks. I could not go to the game. I am a true fan and if you want to research all of my posts just to come up with one good bash... then you must be bored. I never said that I like or even respect people that use foul language at the stadium, but give me a break annie oakley... what are you really going to do about it? Maybe teach your kids that they are idiots that cannot think of something better to say? Thats the best choice! they are paying the same price for tickets as you are they are not celebrating with kids. It's, therefore, is not my place to tell them how to act.
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    Again, you misread my post... I said I COULD say that... but I didn't. That was kinda my point and I guessed you missed it. I DIDN'T lash out at you... I was defending myself. If you didn't read that correctly, I am sorry.

    And all the comments about me being bored - I just don't get that. I said I was bored AT GAMES... not in life. I haven't researched all your posts, nor do I ever plan to. It would take a HUGE case of boredom to do that.

    I don't know why you decided to pick on me and my post... but whatever. I don't have time to get in an online argument with someone I don't even know. But I do have to say that you are proving my theory quite well. Thank you.

    By the way - Annie Oakley was known as a sharpshooter.... so I guess I will take that as a compliment!

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    Quote Originally Posted by springchief View Post
    Again, you misread my post... I said I COULD say that... but I didn't. That was kinda my point and I guessed you missed it. I DIDN'T lash out at you... I was defending myself. If you didn't read that correctly, I am sorry.

    And all the comments about me being bored - I just don't get that. I said I was bored AT GAMES... not in life. I haven't researched all your posts, nor do I ever plan to. It would take a HUGE case of boredom to do that.

    I don't know why you decided to pick on me and my post... but whatever. I don't have time to get in an online argument with someone I don't even know. But I do have to say that you are proving my theory quite well. Thank you.

    By the way - Annie Oakley was known as a sharpshooter.... so I guess I will take that as a compliment!
    Okay, again... you say that you have only posted here for a few weeks and notice attacks against each other when people don't agree with somebody else's posts...And you don't play like that. You are very combative - Do you realize that you are in Chiefs Hardcore Discussions??? - Timid need not apply? If you stick around you will notice that a lot of people here welcome the attacks as a good thread starter! Its fun! Guys do it all the time - as for you making sure that I read your post correctly! Give me a break!!!!!

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    To sum:

    1) You don't need season tickets to be a fan.
    2) Drunks cussing around kids are bad.

    If we all agree, let's get back to the main point- Herm has killed the team. Arrowhead is NOT just another stadium and we have to get it back....
    You can only have one favorite team. There are no "second favorites".
    -- Chris, resident of Arrowhead East (St. Louis)

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    Quote Originally Posted by tammietailgator View Post
    Okay, again... you say that you have only posted here for a few weeks and notice attacks against each other when people don't agree with somebody else's posts...And you don't play like that. You are very combative - Do you realize that you are in Chiefs Hardcore Discussions??? - Timid need not apply? If you stick around you will notice that a lot of people here welcome the attacks as a good thread starter! Its fun! Guys do it all the time - as for you making sure that I read your post correctly! Give me a break!!!!!
    As long as it's done respectfully, and "personal" attacks are still not allowed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefster View Post
    As long as it's done respectfully, and "personal" attacks are still not allowed.
    Exactly... I think she should stick around and get to know some of the personalities here. The posting is great! As for the point of the thread.... I love arrowhead and cannot wait to get back and enjoy some games. The tailgating is awesome, the fans are spunky and the fly overs always give me chills. We will get it back!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tammietailgator View Post
    Exactly... I think she should stick around and get to know some of the personalities here. The posting is great! As for the point of the thread.... I love arrowhead and cannot wait to get back and enjoy some games. The tailgating is awesome, the fans are spunky and the fly overs always give me chills. We will get it back!
    I long for the day.


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    The sad part will be all of the fair weather fans that have season tickets, selling their tickets to opposing fans the rest of the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tammietailgator View Post
    The sad part will be all of the fair weather fans that have season tickets, selling their tickets to opposing fans the rest of the season.
    A symptom of the problem IMO.


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    Quote Originally Posted by stlchief View Post
    To sum:

    1) You don't need season tickets to be a fan.
    2) Drunks cussing around kids are bad.
    If I am sober is that OK? It is impossible for me to articulate during such an emotional event. Shelter your kids from the world all you like, but taking them in public, where there will be alot of emotional and drunk people, may be a failure to properly shelter them. If I take my kids to a game, knowing that there will be plenty of drunk, emotional adults, they will know the situation before we get there.

    Quote Originally Posted by tammietailgator View Post
    Okay, again... you say that you have only posted here for a few weeks and notice attacks against each other when people don't agree with somebody else's posts...And you don't play like that. You are very combative - Do you realize that you are in Chiefs Hardcore Discussions??? - Timid need not apply? If you stick around you will notice that a lot of people here welcome the attacks as a good thread starter! Its fun! Guys do it all the time - as for you making sure that I read your post correctly! Give me a break!!!!!
    Those damn psychopaths!!!!

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