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    SYMPTOMS OF THE ILLNESS

    Bob, a season-ticket holder for 17 years now, lives in the suburbs of Kansas City. He’s been a Chiefs fan for longer than most of the current players have been alive. He admits, Arrowhead has lost the magic. But why?

    It boils down to one word.

    “The fans have no confidence and you can sense that,” he says. “It may be loud at times, but the fans are easily taken out of it by lackluster play. There’s booing, empty seats, people leaving early, season-ticket holders selling their seat to opposing fans - Green Bay especially. It was embarrassing the way their fans took over our stadium.”

    Of course, there’s the usual list of suspects, too. A boring, predictable offense, a defense that’s good, but not dominant enough to inspire anyone, and too many quiet fans complaining about their rowdy brethren (the preferred moniker for this brand of football fan is “wine and cheese,” in case you’re not up on the lingo). But Brandon, a Des Moines, Iowa resident who’s cheered on the red and gold since their arrival in Missouri, saw something particularly disturbing this year.

    “At one game there was obviously many new attendees in the stadium because the entire crowd started the wave while our offense was on the field trying to score,” he laments. “That, to me, showed that many regulars were not in attendance.”

    But sometimes it’s about more than the decibel level, a silly stadium tradition or a particular brand of fan. When a stadium begins to die, there’s something else taking place, and we’re not talking about the swing of the wrecking ball that will surely pulverize Arrowhead to the ground in a few decades.

    This symptom isn’t tangible. You can’t see it or touch it. Doug has definitely felt it, though.

    “Ultimately, it’s about hope for the direction of the team,” he says. “The fan base has lost hope, thus the lethargic stadium.

    “No one has any hope that the situation will get better,” says Mike, whose family has held season tickets for 21 years. “Basically, the fans have just completed a 20-year arc with no discernible progress. We started out with Marty with almost no fans, near the bottom of the league, and we are back.”

    No hope? Who is crushing your dreams, Chiefs fans?

    THE DIAGNOSIS

    Russ, who’s been sitting in season-ticket seats for 14 years now, travels three hours each way from Glenwood, Iowa to attend Chiefs games. He was hurt this year when Packers fan exited Arrowhead Stadium chanting “Go, Pack, Go!” and likens hearing the ever-present rhythms of Tony DiPardo’s TD Pack Band to “Groundhog Day.” He’s tired of watching “boring football.”

    Clearly, Russ is a disgruntled season-ticket holder of the highest magnitude. Who does he blame for his Arrowhead depression?

    “Carl Peterson,” says Russ. “He's in charge. He's the ultimate person to blame from coaching choices, personnel, rising ticket prices, changing parking lot policy and not having premium seating available on a 'standard' seat upgrade.”

    Yes, Peterson is a target for many Chiefs fans. In fact, season-ticket holders across the board mentioned Peterson above all others as the source of their disappointment. But it’s fair to say he’s not alone.

    “The easy answer is Carl, he should shoulder much of the blame, but I also blame Edwards,” says Jason. “Herm doesn't interact with the crowd and try to get them riled up. When Dick Vermeil used to come onto the field he would smile and wave his hands at the crowd. That showed how much he appreciated us. But I also blame Vermeil to some extent. He turned the Chiefs into an old ball club with little left in reserve for the future. He had five years to win, and didn't much care about the roster once his five years were up.”

    It’s not just the men in charge of on-the-field matters, however. Two season-ticket holders singled out the Hunt family for not taking appropriate action, and offensive coordinator Mike Solari took his share of the blame. Clearly, Chiefs fans aren’t happy with a wide variety of high-profile faces that run the Chiefs.

    But here’s the good news – Arrowhead may not be dying. Even if it is, there’s a surefire cure.

    CHICKEN SOUP FOR SECTION 110

    OK, we exaggerated. If Arrowhead was really dying, the lower bowl wouldn’t have been nearly packed to the brim for the Raiders game last weekend. Despite that encouraging scene, everything is far from perfect. Brandon calls Arrowhead’s current state a “coma,” and most of his fellow season-ticket holders agree, at least in spirit.

    “It’s not dead yet,” says Rob, “but fans are beginning to lapse into apathy, due to lack of vision and real progress.”

    “No,” says Bob, refuting the notion of a dying Arrowhead. “The game day experience is not the same that it once was, though.”

    “No, it's just on a hiatus like any other team that looks horrible right now,” says a season-ticket holder who declined to identify himself. “As soon as the Chiefs field a competitive team that’s playoff worthy, the stands will fill back up and Carl can once again raise prices.”

    That’s right – season-ticket holders have no problem opening their wallets for a winner. Winning is the pill that can restore Arrowhead to its former vitality. Forget about the coming renovations. They’re nice, say season-ticket holders, but won’t mean squat without a balanced team within.

    “Renovations? I don't know,” says Brandon. “It depends on whether personal seat licenses are instituted. If so, the regular fan base of die-hards may not be able to afford to continue to be season-ticket holders. If this happens, wine and cheese crowds will take over for good.”

    “Only one thing will help,” says Bob. “Put a competitive team on the field, one that is capable of winning a playoff game or two, and the magic will come back.”

    THE INVOICE OF FRUSTRATION

    OK, I think the point has been made. Chiefs fans - and we’re talking about the “real fans,” mind you, not the “teachers” who will exchange the quarters and dimes they found in their couch cushions for upper-deck seats this weekend – are fed up. Arrowhead looks green around the gills (even without Packer fans inside) these days, and it might just honestly be better if it puked everything up and got it over with.

    Stupid medical analogies aside, just how much happiness CAN money buy? Say, the money that Bob, Rob, Jason, Mike, Shane, Russ and all the other dedicated fans poured into the Arrowhead Stadium coffers over the last 5, 10, 15 and yes, even 23 years?

    Well, we’re not going to name dollar amounts. Let’s just say if you put all the money our veteran band of season-ticket holders spent on the Chiefs in 2007 into one big pile, it wouldn’t pay for a used Maybach 62, but it might pay for the retractable electro-transparent partition screen upgrade (and as Dave Barry might say, we are not making this up).

    What did that money buy them? Did the scattered, dozen or so fans that we’ve just profiled get their money’s worth this year?

    “No,” says Doug.

    “Not even close,” says Brandon.

    “Not when I must pay full price for pre-season tickets and can't even give them away,” says Dave. “The greed of the Chiefs is getting significantly worse in every aspect of fan appreciation.”

    “No,” says Shane, “because the Chiefs are losing.”

    “No,” say Mike, Bob, Rob, Darrin, and Jason.

    “Ah, no,” says Russ (who, by the way, really hates those parking lot attendants, not to mention the Wolfpack Club). “I'll continue to spend though. I've got a certain group of friends that I only get to see on gameday.”

    “That's what makes it worth it - friendships with other fans.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by tammietailgator View Post
    Okay, again... you say that you have only posted here for a few weeks and notice attacks against each other when people don't agree with somebody else's posts...And you don't play like that. You are very combative - Do you realize that you are in Chiefs Hardcore Discussions??? - Timid need not apply? If you stick around you will notice that a lot of people here welcome the attacks as a good thread starter! Its fun! Guys do it all the time - as for you making sure that I read your post correctly! Give me a break!!!!!
    Got in this morning at 4 AM
    Your as mad as you can be
    Well I was drinking and talking
    And you know how that goes
    Time just slipped away from me
    By the time I knew what time it was
    It was to late to call home
    Stop carrying on and acting like a child
    I wasn't doing anything wrong

    Guys do it all the time
    And you expect us to understand
    When the shoe's on the other foot
    You know that's when it hits the fan
    Get over it honey life's a two way street
    Or you won't be a man of mine
    So I had some beers with the girls last night
    Guys do it all the time

    I know I left my clothes all over the place
    And I took your twenty bucks
    No I didn't get the front yard cut
    Cause I had to wash my truck
    Will you bring me a cold one baby
    Turn on the TV
    We'll talk about this later
    There's a ballgame I wanna see

    Guys do it all the time
    And you expect us to understand
    When the shoe's on the other foot
    You know that's when it hits the fan
    Get over it honey life's a two way street
    Or you won't be a man of mine
    So I had some beers with the girls last night
    Guys do it all the time

    You look like you just took
    A long look in the mirror
    Tell me baby if things don't look
    A whole lot clearer, ooh

    Get over it honey life's a two way street
    Or you won't be a man of mine
    So I had some beers with the girls last night
    Guys do it all the time
    Yeah guys do it
    Yeah guys do it
    All the time, all the time
    Yeah guys do it
    Yeah guys do it
    All the time
    Everything happens for a reason.

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    Is it poetry hour and I missed it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkHillbilly View Post
    Is it poetry hour and I missed it?
    Guys Do It All The Time
    By Mindy McCready

    It's a song. You don't like poetry, I take it? Or are you just in the mood to mock me? :p
    Everything happens for a reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luv View Post
    Guys Do It All The Time
    By Mindy McCready

    It's a song. You don't like poetry, I take it? Or are you just in the mood to mock me? :p
    I'm always in the mood for a little mocking!!!

    Now that you mention it, I have heard that song before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkHillbilly View Post
    I'm always in the mood for a little mocking!!!

    Now that you mention it, I have heard that song before.
    I haven't, and am glad.


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    Quote Originally Posted by stlchief View Post
    To sum:

    1) You don't need season tickets to be a fan.
    2) Drunks cussing around kids are bad.

    If we all agree, let's get back to the main point- Herm has killed the team. Arrowhead is NOT just another stadium and we have to get it back....

    I don't know what brings out the swearing in me more...

    Drinking beer, or poor play calling by Herm but put them both together and you're gonna hear me cuss from across the street.

    I believe I have stated it before, but growing up around the father I had, and hearing the sh!t they yell at you in basic it kind of sticks.

    I do my best to not to swear around children, but have actually noticed the more civil a person appears, they have a greater tendency to swear in times of stress. And it is generally their parent doing the swearing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hermhater View Post
    I'm lost.

    Who the hell is arguing here?
    Quote Originally Posted by prough91 View Post
    Can you read?
    Prough...you'll get used to HH. He can read, but generally forgets that part of the communication process. (s)he likes cats, parrots and long walks.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbedgood View Post
    Prough...you'll get used to HH. He can read, but generally forgets that part of the communication process. (s)he likes cats, parrots and long walks.....

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!


    That was funny. I think HH is a (h)e.


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    Quote Originally Posted by luv View Post
    Got in this morning at 4 AM
    Your as mad as you can be
    Well I was drinking and talking
    And you know how that goes
    Time just slipped away from me
    By the time I knew what time it was
    It was to late to call home
    Stop carrying on and acting like a child
    I wasn't doing anything wrong

    Guys do it all the time
    And you expect us to understand
    When the shoe's on the other foot
    You know that's when it hits the fan
    Get over it honey life's a two way street
    Or you won't be a man of mine
    So I had some beers with the girls last night
    Guys do it all the time

    I know I left my clothes all over the place
    And I took your twenty bucks
    No I didn't get the front yard cut
    Cause I had to wash my truck
    Will you bring me a cold one baby
    Turn on the TV
    We'll talk about this later
    There's a ballgame I wanna see

    Guys do it all the time
    And you expect us to understand
    When the shoe's on the other foot
    You know that's when it hits the fan
    Get over it honey life's a two way street
    Or you won't be a man of mine
    So I had some beers with the girls last night
    Guys do it all the time

    You look like you just took
    A long look in the mirror
    Tell me baby if things don't look
    A whole lot clearer, ooh

    Get over it honey life's a two way street
    Or you won't be a man of mine
    So I had some beers with the girls last night
    Guys do it all the time
    Yeah guys do it
    Yeah guys do it
    All the time, all the time
    Yeah guys do it
    Yeah guys do it
    All the time
    Hey Toots. I don't date guys, nor do I care what they do. I have never wanted a woman to behave more like men either.

    That song irritates the he77 out of me. She stays out all night then expects no grief because some other guy did that to her once? Fine. How did she react to that, when he did it? She can expect a similar reaction from her guy.

    Her guy should have dumped her. Cute butt, or not, because, "That don't impress me much."


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    Quote Originally Posted by chief31 View Post
    Hey Toots. I don't date guys, nor do I care what they do. I have never wanted a woman to behave more like men either.

    That song irritates the he77 out of me. She stays out all night then expects no grief because some other guy did that to her once? Fine. How did she react to that, when he did it? She can expect a similar reaction from her guy.

    Her guy should have dumped her. Cute butt, or not, because, "That don't impress me much."

    Mindy McCready and Shania Twain are not the same person. And she's basically throwing those things back in a guy's face seeing how we would react if she were to do the same things to him that he does to her. Not some guy in the past.

    Nice try. :p
    Everything happens for a reason.

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