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[hermhater]

Clinton, McCain emerge as comeback winners in New Hampshire primary



WASHINGTON - Democrat Hillary Clinton pulled off an unexpected narrow victory in New Hampshire on Tuesday, dramatically rescuing her bid for the White House in a tense battle with Barack Obama.
Clinton, who's fighting to become the first woman in the Oval Office, mounted a surprisingly strong showing after bracing for a second defeat following her devastating third-place showing in Iowa.

Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y. greets a familiar face. THE ASSOCIATED PRESS/Elise Amendola

Republican John McCain also nabbed a major comeback victory, putting him solidly back in his party's nomination race.
While Obama, vying to make history as the first black U.S. president, scored big among independents and voters between 18 and 24, Clinton attracted lower-income voters and seniors and did best among voters citing the economy as their top concern.
But a big factor for Clinton was women voters, who had gone over to Obama in large numbers in Iowa. Nearly half in New Hampshire were once again supporting her, while Obama got only a third.






http://www.cbc.ca/cp/world/080108/w0108115A.html

Crap.

[chief31]

yes you are. his name was Usama Bin Laden. and BOTH parties agreed to go after him.

Obama claimed publicly this war was winnable. now like all liberals he's changed his mind.

if we leave the tali ban and Bin Laden move back into afghan and the genocide begins. they get their old bases back and plot another 9-11.

what was that guys name who won in Iraq???

So wait... How is Obama murdering people? By not immediately withdrawing troops?

I am just failing to understand how you are blaming Obama for murdering people, I guess.

?????? You are not serious? This is where we should have been putting military resources in all along, I would agree, Iraq was finishing what should have been done the first time. But you surely do not mean, WE STARTED THIS WHOLE WAR!!!!

As much as people hate to hear it, THAT was not the first step in all of this.

Surely there was some reason why 9/11 happened. Why were those people so happy to give their lives to do that?

Were they maybe at war with us before that?

And, please, don't try to paint me as saying that 9/11 was somehow justified, or that the victims were somehow deserving.

I am not saying anything remotely close to that.

But, if you poke someone in the ribs, afte being repeatedly told (street demonstrations of "death to America") that it is unappreciated, might that someone hit you in the mouth, eventually?

Sorry, I have to disagree and this post clearly is coming from someone who has not given it enough hard work yet.

Clearly. Lol. Because if you work hard enough, it is just guaranteed that you will be a CEO.

If you get in and learn everything there is to know about the job you are doing and then work hard at it, even if that job is flipping burgers, you will be noticed and promoted.

Unless maybe you have any form of bias from your superiors. Oh, wait. That doesn't happen. Noone has ever shosen their friends for promotion, or specifically deselected someone they didn't like. That sort of thing only happens in real life.

Did you know you could potentially make 200K per year working for McDonalds? I had a friend who started 15 years ago working for McDonalds flipping burgers. In 6 months he was a manager for a store, in 4 years he was managing a region of stores. Now he is in the corporate HQ. I have not talked to him in years, but I am sure he is making better than a middle class salary as he designs work flows.

And, with so many billion people in this country, is there room enough for everyong to make it, if everyone really applies themselves, and does their job to the max?


It is all about how you apply yourself. If you are the kind of person who is going to complain and only put out enough to get through the day, then you are not going to make it in a capitalistic society, but you will be just fine in a socialist society.

And that's that! If you have the most money, it's because you you really did amazing work. Not because you used someone elses operating system to make that maoney. It's because you are the hardest working guy there is.

It's alright if you are that guy, we need those guys too, but you need to accept the fate you have made for yourself and stop trying to take my hard work and success away from me!

Capitalism isn't all about hard work and dedication. The rewards are not distributed in that way. Case in point? Paris Hilton, anyone?

Why would you want to punish me anyway? What have I ever done to you? I have never in my career ever done anything to keep a fellow working down. I have measured myself against them though and always done MORE than they did. While my friends were out partying and having a good time, I studied and got a Masters degree. While my co-workers were angry that they were not getting raises, I was working 60 hours per week to make the company money.

Even if you are one of the few that things worked the way they are supposed to for, certainly doesn't mean that that's how it works on a regular basis.


Because that is what it is all about, you guys who are complaining about capitalism are some of the most selfish people EVER! You don't realize that the way you make money is to make money for the company, most of you just want to complain about how much money the company makes like somehow YOU are owed something for just showing up and gracing everyone else with your presence that day!

There's a concept. The selfish one's are the one's who have nothing. And those who have multiple homes, cars, boats, even jets, are clearly the victims of these overly greedy unsharing broke folks.

Look, healthcare, owning a house, owning a car and having a job are NOT RIGHTS!!! You have to work at it, and there are people on this board who are keenly aware of this.

But being able to provide those things for your family damn well should be.

But how many jobs that pay enough to buy a home are available? Do you really believe that it is enough to employ all Americans, should they all apply themselves?

And do we have some guarantee that, if you do your job as well as it can be done, that that job will be there for you? Not even a promotion, just that you won't get outscourced?

America is the country with the most opportunity in it than any country on earth! Why do you think so many people want to come here??

OK, I'm done, off my soapbox!!

Because the poverty line is nowhere near as bad as it is in their home countries.

Not like there are boatloads of French, British, German, Russian, Swedish, Icelanic, or Australian refugees hitting or beaches each day.

The fact that people flock here from poverty-stricken nations like they do, simply says that those countries are in worse shape than this.

And, before you bother to mention they few... Of course some people move here from those other nations. Just as some move from here to other nations.

You can be the hardest working, most dedicated employee to have ever existed.

But that does not, in any way, mean that you are going to be successful.

Just as you can be the laziest, not givin' a sh**inest, individual to ever exist and still have the world at your feet.

Those who have it do not redistribute it. They keep it.
There is never an opportunity for the wealth to be spread out. It is staying right where it is.

Capitalism is ruled by greed. Plain and simple.

It is clear as day, when rescue efforts, to save peoples' lives from a natural disaster are put on hold to prevent 'looting'.

As far as I am ever going to be concerned, the a**wipe drug dealer in 'the hood''s life is more important than every penny you have ever made.

I would be ecstatic to punish you financially, before punishing others with premature death.

No mater how lazy they are.

[Chiefster]

I think that things will never get any better until we can all find some sort of common ground somewhere in the middle of the road; this means compromise on both sides. It's a little like the Bud Light commercials where the "Bud Light" guy in the middle (the politicians) gets the two guys on each side of him (John Q. Public) arguing over weather or not Bud Light (the system) tastes great or is less filling.

...Or maybe I just see analogies in the weirdest places.

[kilobytes]

Okay then Ill say something positive about Capitalism, its economically successful. But behind the soaring stock market lies growing poverty and the rich continuing to prosper while other hard working middle to low class people get ripped off. Plus it creates classes and isn't good socially. The 20s are a great example of this. Monopolies aren't good at all. For instance EA sports with their madden franchise. No one else is allowed to make NFL games. Therefore they put no effort in to their game (no matter what any casual person says) each year because PEOPLE WILL BUY IT no matter what because its the only NFL game there is and it doesn't get any better. Its been garbage for 5 years now. Now back when 2k sports had their football game for competition then each company held each other in check. Just a little rant on that now terrible unrealistic franchise..yuck. Also 2k sports with their MLB franchise in that no one else can make MLB games on more than one console. Another terrible franchise that makes no progress and people will buy it. I don't understand this MLB and NFL license crap as it is basically a monopoly. I know they are video games but its just unacceptable. Just an example of modern day monopoly like companies even though thankfully they are illegal.

anyway......
Ha Obama is now starting to go moderate on us with his small business plan straight out of the conservative playbook plus this war in Afghanistan. More moderate than people once thought yet people will still complain on both sides. he is still a little more liberal. Obama made a pretty bold speech about the war the other day that received high praise from conservatives. Strange...

and where the heck did that 1.1 trillion spending pack come from? I guess half of it goes to military defense but still its more money we don't have.

Alright Im sick of politics. There is a major downfall to Socialism, communism, Fascism, and Capitalism etc. History proves it so get over it.

[Canada]

Look, healthcare, owning a house, owning a car and having a job are NOT RIGHTS!!! You have to work at it, and there are people on this board who are keenly aware of this.

So good health, a roof over your head and transportation are things that only people with good jobs should have? Seems fair.

You seem to be under the impression that healthcare only affects the rich. Everyone pays into it and everyone gets basic healthcare. If u prefer your elitist attitude that you deserve better healthcare than some then you have every opportunity to get other care.

[pbatrucker]

Truth has been spoken! I love what my Country is, I pray it is still what I love.

IN GOD WE TRUST!! Damn I forgot, that's not politically correct anymore.

[stricken721]

So did anybody watch any primary elections tonight?

[tornadospotter]

Nope, I did not.

[stricken721]

Nope, I did not.

I guess it was only here in Texas that had them.

[tornadospotter]

I Believe that this Nation, USA should respond and help out those in need, in a time of Disaster! But I wonder why sometimes we are not helping are own first? Why are we as cititzens, supporting companies that take our jobs away? Why do you as a consumer, purchase items made from any company that closed down plants and jobs from our nation, lay off our people, to build plants in other countries, then turn around and sell it to us, and you buy it!!!! I am not against importing, I am not against creating jobs in other nations, I just wonder, if the CEO's, Chairman of the Board, the Board members of these companys, the stockholders, ect. Do they understand, what they are doing to US, in the name of profit. Some people with deep pockets, can afford to lose money, better than some with no pockets. Some with high education, are still not very smart!
This Nation, its people, you, me, each and everyone of us really needs to take a close look with in, and decide. It is up to each and everyone of us to say.
If it is to be, it is up to me!

[stricken721]

I Believe that this Nation, USA should respond and help out those in need, in a time of Disaster! But I wonder why sometimes we are not helping are own first? Why are we as cititzens, supporting companies that take our jobs away? Why do you as a consumer, purchase items made from any company that closed down plants and jobs from our nation, lay off our people, to build plants in other countries, then turn around and sell it to us, and you buy it!!!! I am not against importing, I am not against creating jobs in other nations, I just wonder, if the CEO's, Chairman of the Board, the Board members of these companys, the stockholders, ect. Do they understand, what they are doing to US, in the name of profit. Some people with deep pockets, can afford to lose money, better than some with no pockets. Some with high education, are still not very smart!
This Nation, its people, you, me, each and everyone of us really needs to take a close look with in, and decide. It is up to each and everyone of us to say.
If it is to be, it is up to me!

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wos-dDxpJlQ"]YouTube- John Lennon - Power To The People[/ame]