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    Clinton, McCain emerge as comeback winners in New Hampshire primary



    WASHINGTON - Democrat Hillary Clinton pulled off an unexpected narrow victory in New Hampshire on Tuesday, dramatically rescuing her bid for the White House in a tense battle with Barack Obama.
    Clinton, who's fighting to become the first woman in the Oval Office, mounted a surprisingly strong showing after bracing for a second defeat following her devastating third-place showing in Iowa.
    Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y. greets a familiar face. THE ASSOCIATED PRESS/Elise Amendola
    Republican John McCain also nabbed a major comeback victory, putting him solidly back in his party's nomination race.
    While Obama, vying to make history as the first black U.S. president, scored big among independents and voters between 18 and 24, Clinton attracted lower-income voters and seniors and did best among voters citing the economy as their top concern.
    But a big factor for Clinton was women voters, who had gone over to Obama in large numbers in Iowa. Nearly half in New Hampshire were once again supporting her, while Obama got only a third.






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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefster View Post
    Personally I agree, I believe Obama will get reelected, the Supreme Court will uphold Obama-care and there would still be no budget plan, but should Romney win there would be little difference between the two.
    I think there would be a dramatic difference between the two. Perhaps not as much as some would like, but Romney wasn't raised by communist sympathizers and Rev. Wright. He didn't have close ties to Van Jones or Bill Ayers. It's important that conservatives don't fall into the "he wouldn't be much different" trap that the left is putting out there. That narrative is designed to keep conservatives at home on election night.

    There is an ENORMOUS difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texaschief View Post
    I think there would be a dramatic difference between the two. Perhaps not as much as some would like, but Romney wasn't raised by communist sympathizers and Rev. Wright. He didn't have close ties to Van Jones or Bill Ayers. It's important that conservatives don't fall into the "he wouldn't be much different" trap that the left is putting out there. That narrative is designed to keep conservatives at home on election night.

    There is an ENORMOUS difference.
    I'd planned on voting, but as you stated in your previous post "...when they commit voter fraud, his "narrow win" won't come as a shock to the general public." I'm certain that Obama will make his campaign about social issues since he can't run on his economic record. There's no way that Romney can debate healthcare with Obama since it was Romney's model that was used to draft that law. I just don't see him beating Obama on social issues. I guess there'd be a difference, even if I can't see it. Romney vows to repeal Obama Care; well he can't just march into the oval office and start repealing law with a stroke of a pen or a rubber stamp, there's a process that must be followed and I doubt he could get a bill passed both houses to get the job done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefster View Post
    I'd planned on voting, but as you stated in your previous post "...when they commit voter fraud, his "narrow win" won't come as a shock to the general public." I'm certain that Obama will make his campaign about social issues since he can't run on his economic record. There's no way that Romney can debate healthcare with Obama since it was Romney's model that was used to draft that law. I just don't see him beating Obama on social issues. I guess there'd be a difference, even if I can't see it. Romney vows to repeal Obama Care; well he can't just march into the oval office and start repealing law with a stroke of a pen or a rubber stamp, there's a process that must be followed and I doubt he could get a bill passed both houses to get the job done.
    The difference is states rights and that's a very BIG difference between the two. I believe Romney will repeal obamacare because it's at the federal level. I don't mind mandated healthcare at the state level NEARLY as much as I do at the federal level. That distinction needs to be noted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texaschief View Post
    The difference is states rights and that's a very BIG difference between the two. I believe Romney will repeal obamacare because it's at the federal level. I don't mind mandated healthcare at the state level NEARLY as much as I do at the federal level. That distinction needs to be noted.
    This is a very key difference. The states have rights that the federal government don't. But besides that, I'm sure even Mitt recognizes that "Romneycare" has been a total failure. It has cost a fortune and hasn't come close to offering universal coverage in Massachusetts. I'm sure he recognizes that "Obamacare" would be a massive failure on the federal level.

    Cheifster, don't be fooled in to thinking there isn't much difference between Obama and Romney. Romney is too liberal for my tastes, but not nearly as bad as Obama. Romney is, at his core, a free market capitalist. Obama is a hardcore socialist. Give Romney a Republican House and Senate and he can start to undo the damage Obama has done over the last four years. Let Obama get reelected and we are looking at a 12 year depression like we had in the '30s.

    Don't give up hope. We still have a chance to turn this country around. But if you fall into the trap that there is little difference between Obama and Romney, then you sentence us to another 4 years (at least) of economic collapse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopekaRoy View Post
    This is a very key difference. The states have rights that the federal government don't. But besides that, I'm sure even Mitt recognizes that "Romneycare" has been a total failure. It has cost a fortune and hasn't come close to offering universal coverage in Massachusetts. I'm sure he recognizes that "Obamacare" would be a massive failure on the federal level.

    Cheifster, don't be fooled in to thinking there isn't much difference between Obama and Romney. Romney is too liberal for my tastes, but not nearly as bad as Obama. Romney is, at his core, a free market capitalist. Obama is a hardcore socialist. Give Romney a Republican House and Senate and he can start to undo the damage Obama has done over the last four years. Let Obama get reelected and we are looking at a 12 year depression like we had in the '30s.

    Don't give up hope. We still have a chance to turn this country around. But if you fall into the trap that there is little difference between Obama and Romney, then you sentence us to another 4 years (at least) of economic collapse.

    I need a job. Please don't do that to me!
    Well, I doubt that myself, alone, will sentence us all to economic ruin but I understand what you're saying. It is a matter of conscious for me. I have come to a place where, for me, there is no "lesser of the two evils". I'll vote because people tend to view those who don't as un-American and having no right to complain. I used to feel that way myself but no longer sit in judgement of those who abstain because it tends to make little to no difference anymore. I hope I'm wrong but I have zero confidence in whomever may occupy the White House or which party may or may not have control of congress. All the majority of politicians seem to do is spend their terms accomplishing little more than engaging in smear campaigns in an attempt to make the other side look bad in order to gain re-election.

    I know it's an unpopular point of view but it's simply how I, currently, feel.
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    Congratulations Wisconsin!!! Way To Lead The Country In The Right Direction!! Voter Fraud And Union Corruption Defeated In One Single Election! Outstanding!!

    Congratulations Scott Walker! First Governor In Us History To Survive A Recall Election! I Guess Taking The State Deficit From $3 Billion To $100 Million Isn't Good Enough To Stay Governor In Dems Minds.

    Someone Should Take The Credit Card Away From These Spend-a-holic Dems And Scott Walker Has Led The Way!!

    Great Night For The Country! Proud Of You Wisconsin!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefster View Post
    Well, I doubt that myself, alone, will sentence us all to economic ruin but I understand what you're saying. It is a matter of conscious for me. I have come to a place where, for me, there is no "lesser of the two evils". I'll vote because people tend to view those who don't as un-American and having no right to complain. I used to feel that way myself but no longer sit in judgement of those who abstain because it tends to make little to no difference anymore. I hope I'm wrong but I have zero confidence in whomever may occupy the White House or which party may or may not have control of congress. All the majority of politicians seem to do is spend their terms accomplishing little more than engaging in smear campaigns in an attempt to make the other side look bad in order to gain re-election.

    I know it's an unpopular point of view but it's simply how I, currently, feel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tornadospotter View Post
    I want a Leader! I want someone I can believe in, someone who is in charge. Someone who can restore faith in my pride of my Nation. I want a President that instills that pride of Nation. I want a Ronnie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopekaRoy View Post
    This is a very key difference. The states have rights that the federal government don't. But besides that, I'm sure even Mitt recognizes that "Romneycare" has been a total failure. It has cost a fortune and hasn't come close to offering universal coverage in Massachusetts. I'm sure he recognizes that "Obamacare" would be a massive failure on the federal level.

    Cheifster, don't be fooled in to thinking there isn't much difference between Obama and Romney. Romney is too liberal for my tastes, but not nearly as bad as Obama. Romney is, at his core, a free market capitalist. Obama is a hardcore socialist. Give Romney a Republican House and Senate and he can start to undo the damage Obama has done over the last four years. Let Obama get reelected and we are looking at a 12 year depression like we had in the '30s.

    Don't give up hope. We still have a chance to turn this country around. But if you fall into the trap that there is little difference between Obama and Romney, then you sentence us to another 4 years (at least) of economic collapse.

    I need a job. Please don't do that to me!
    Before I fly off the handle I'm curious on your thoughts about the Republican party and more specifically Bush?

    Historically there are two types of people in any govt. Those that want to expand the borders of the country be it borders, influence, ideology, or just plain look at me. Primarily this is done through tough talk and up to war. The other side builds upon the countries gains or puts the country first. They improve infrastructure and what not. I'm not saying one party is one or another. Each person per party tends to lean one way.

    Bush obviously was in the camp that might was right. I agree that Sept. 11th started off everything but somewhere in that regime of Bush things went astray. The war in Afghanistan became diluted and we lost purpose. Then came Iraq which we had no business getting into. No Weapons of Mass Destruction were ever found and if we had they'd have been paraded all over the news. This along with other horrible decisions and the housing crisis put us into the worst recession I've ever known.

    Now, several people have said that Obama is some how going to magically steal this election. Does this suprize you really? Bush did it in 2004 with the state that got him the election (Florida) and the now famous term "hanging chad". Politicians will be politicians. The problem I have with people talking about secession is that it's guaranteed to be forced and will end in violence.

    People love complaining but don't do anything about it. If you have a problem with the government then fix it! If you truly believe that all government starts at the local level then you have every power to go out there and start fixing things.

    I hate to tell you this but no matter where you go you're going to get worked over. Here's a prime example. I recently refinanced my house to a fifteen year loan. I'm going to save over one hundred THOUSAND dollars in interest over the life of the loan. But because of that I'm going to have less interest to write off my taxes at the end of the year. So it comes down to am I going to pay the bank or the government.

    I figure I'm on a rant now so here's one of my biggest pet peeves. Republicans seem to rant about entitlements and how people are lazy and live off the government. These are usually the same people that tend to live in nicer houses or have a second house, lake house or whatever. If you truly believe everything I just said then don't claim the interest on your home loan. That's an entitlement any way you slice it. Entitlements exist at all levels of government and at all tax levels. Be sure you can live without them before you go preaching about removing them from someone else. And if you're curious yes I do claim the interest on my home and yes I'd be willing to not pay that if they removed the entitlements. This country is living a champagne lifestyle on a beer budget.
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    Quote Originally Posted by texaschief View Post
    Congratulations Wisconsin!!! Way To Lead The Country In The Right Direction!! Voter Fraud And Union Corruption Defeated In One Single Election! Outstanding!!

    Congratulations Scott Walker! First Governor In Us History To Survive A Recall Election! I Guess Taking The State Deficit From $3 Billion To $100 Million Isn't Good Enough To Stay Governor In Dems Minds.

    Someone Should Take The Credit Card Away From These Spend-a-holic Dems And Scott Walker Has Led The Way!!

    Great Night For The Country! Proud Of You Wisconsin!!
    Spend-a-holic Dems...I've really heard it all now.

    No I'm not claiming that they haven't spent a butt load of money. But to assume that only Dems are spend-a-holics is naive at best or do we not count the trillions spent on war by the Repubs? It doesn't matter where it was spent or who spent it Repubs or Dems we're spending to much money!!! Stop blaming one side because it just isn't true.

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