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    Clinton, McCain emerge as comeback winners in New Hampshire primary



    WASHINGTON - Democrat Hillary Clinton pulled off an unexpected narrow victory in New Hampshire on Tuesday, dramatically rescuing her bid for the White House in a tense battle with Barack Obama.
    Clinton, who's fighting to become the first woman in the Oval Office, mounted a surprisingly strong showing after bracing for a second defeat following her devastating third-place showing in Iowa.
    Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y. greets a familiar face. THE ASSOCIATED PRESS/Elise Amendola
    Republican John McCain also nabbed a major comeback victory, putting him solidly back in his party's nomination race.
    While Obama, vying to make history as the first black U.S. president, scored big among independents and voters between 18 and 24, Clinton attracted lower-income voters and seniors and did best among voters citing the economy as their top concern.
    But a big factor for Clinton was women voters, who had gone over to Obama in large numbers in Iowa. Nearly half in New Hampshire were once again supporting her, while Obama got only a third.






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    Even stopping every possible loophole out there. Is that really going to be enough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mejohnm View Post
    Even stopping every possible loophole out there. Is that really going to be enough?
    I think the doing away with the loopholes would be significant, but that's just me.


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    Me too, but why not do both? Stop the loopholes and tax the 250k the extra 3%. Wouldn't that help cut the debt even faster?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mejohnm View Post
    Me too, but why not do both? Stop the loopholes and tax the 250k the extra 3%. Wouldn't that help cut the debt even faster?
    Perhaps initially, but thinking about who we are talking about includes those who are creating jobs, increasing the tax rate on them will give them no incentive to do so thus actually stifling job growth and slowing down the economy. If you create incentive making it profitable to produce jobs then more people work and pay income tax thus growing the economy. The president ran his second term campaign promising to "grow the economy from the middle out" which sounds great as campaign slogan but I have yet to run into anyone who can explain to me how he'll take a demographic with little to no real resources and grow the economy. I think you have to appeal to the job creators with the capital to invest in job creation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcvet View Post
    im not about to live under the hob nail boots of these liberal Nazi's. that's not what i fought for. screw this country of spinless limp idiots. rot in hell
    I would like to point out that the Nazi's were not liberal at all...in fact, they were quite the opposite...they were Fascists. They called themselves socialists to appeal to the working class, but of course that was a big lie. You still have conservatives today believing that they were socialists..Nazi's still fooling people...

    Anyway, what's ruining the country is this two party system. Until a third party or independents rise up, it's going to hell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kilobytes View Post
    I would like to point out that the Nazi's were not liberal at all...in fact, they were quite the opposite...they were Fascists. They called themselves socialists to appeal to the working class, but of course that was a big lie. You still have conservatives today believing that they were socialists..Nazi's still fooling people...

    Anyway, what's ruining the country is this two party system. Until a third party or independents rise up, it's going to hell.
    does it really matter??? the libtards are practicing that and communism and every form of mind control they can to overthrow this country. and its working to perfection. its a machine. just like Hitler and Stalin. I still hear the echo's of Pislosi calling all non liberals Nazi's. no sir. it doesn't take a load a brick to fall on me to see that my country is being systematically destroyed right in front my eyes. America is weak and feeble minded. its spine and backbone have been picked clean like a chicken's neck. this is exactly what I and millions in the military have fought against. so just wave the white flag and stand up against the wall. as for me color my a** gone.

    you guys work??? why?? just quit your jobs and suck on liberal t*ts. give your soles to god. cause your a** belongs to the liberals

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    oh my whats this??? the same voting poll in Philly. remember 4 years ago??? they were charged with voting fraud. but before sentencing the racist AG Holder got the charges dropped so they could be back in 4 years.





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    the power of the vote has been neutered right in front of your eyes. laffable
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefster View Post
    Perhaps initially, but thinking about who we are talking about includes those who are creating jobs, increasing the tax rate on them will give them no incentive to do so thus actually stifling job growth and slowing down the economy. If you create incentive making it profitable to produce jobs then more people work and pay income tax thus growing the economy. The president ran his second term campaign promising to "grow the economy from the middle out" which sounds great as campaign slogan but I have yet to run into anyone who can explain to me how he'll take a demographic with little to no real resources and grow the economy. I think you have to appeal to the job creators with the capital to invest in job creation.
    This tax revenue also does not need to be permanent. You all also know the Bush tax cuts were only temporory tax cuts. Many say they are working and some say they aren't. What is good about our government, is that we can try to find the middle ground. If adding the 3% to those making 250k does have a bad effect, then we can remove it again. Then we know 100% that adding tax to these "job creators" is not good. I am just saying we need to find a middle ground.

    Also like to point, Nazi has nothing to do with socialism. Not by far, since I live in Germany. Shot, if you all want to know what it is really like here, I am more than happy to tell ya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mejohnm View Post
    This tax revenue also does not need to be permanent. You all also know the Bush tax cuts were only temporory tax cuts. Many say they are working and some say they aren't. What is good about our government, is that we can try to find the middle ground. If adding the 3% to those making 250k does have a bad effect, then we can remove it again. Then we know 100% that adding tax to these "job creators" is not good. I am just saying we need to find a middle ground.

    Also like to point, Nazi has nothing to do with socialism. Not by far, since I live in Germany. Shot, if you all want to know what it is really like here, I am more than happy to tell ya.
    I think we can, or at least should, agree that the increased rate of taxation and regulation kills job growth especially in the small business market, and we haven't even addressed spending cuts, I believe they too have to be substantial.

    I said nothing about Nazism or Socialism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mejohnm View Post
    This tax revenue also does not need to be permanent. You all also know the Bush tax cuts were only temporory tax cuts. Many say they are working and some say they aren't. What is good about our government, is that we can try to find the middle ground. If adding the 3% to those making 250k does have a bad effect, then we can remove it again. Then we know 100% that adding tax to these "job creators" is not good. I am just saying we need to find a middle ground.

    Also like to point, Nazi has nothing to do with socialism. Not by far, since I live in Germany. Shot, if you all want to know what it is really like here, I am more than happy to tell ya.
    Here is one of the main issues that affect business. Uncertainty. If these temporary tax cuts were permanent tax cuts that did not have to be voted on to maintain, I think the job growth issue in latter years would have been different.

    Businesses like to plan ahead, not having security on what new regulations and taxes they are going to face next year causes businesses to take the same approach you advocate for Government, that is "wait and see".

    If I am deciding to hire another employee, but I know I am going to get nailed with additional taxes, additional regulations, and a healthcare law that no one even knows what is in it, I am going to wait and see what shakes out. In my business we are doing alright, making money, but not that much. I would like to hire two more employees, but I have a responsibility to those I already employ as well as those I would employ to ensure that I do not cause a situation that would make me lay them off. As a result, I am just going to sit back and wait and see what congress does. If they kick the can down the road again, I am just going to wait it out.


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