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    This is the first semi-mock draft Iíve done. Iím going to go seven rounds. Iíll present different options the Chiefs will have at different points throughout the draft.

    This draft all starts with available talent. While we obviously want offensive linemen, the Chiefs need to resist the urge to reach just to fill a need.

    In the first round, I see the Chiefs keeping their #5 pick and taking Sedrick Ellis. I think Dorsey will be gone and J. Long will probably be gone as well. In this scenario, the Chiefs make no trades during the entire draft. This draft will be called DRAFT A.

    There is an option of trading out of the #5 pick. If we do so, I think weíre looking at trading down to the teems somewhere in the teens while picking up an additional 2nd and 3rd rounder. This scenario, where the Chiefs make some draft day trades will be called DRAFT B.


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    DRAFT A
    No trades:
    1. 5-DT Sedrick Ellis
    Strengths:
    Very quick with a great first step...Very strong and powerful...A terrific pass rusher with the burst to close...Athletic with good speed...Instinctive...Sheds blocks well and is able to beat the double team...Is technically sound when it comes to using his hands and understanding leverage...Has a non-stop motor...Tough and a very hard worker with top-notch intangibles...Has experience at both tackle positions.

    Weaknesses:
    Doesn't have the ideal height or bulk that you look for...Has some minor durability issues...Might have some trouble holding his ground at the point against massive blockers...Limited schematically and probably won't be a perfect fit for every team.

    Notes:
    Could be a prototypical three-technique at the pro level...Redshirted in 2003 after breaking his left ankle and missed some time in '06 with a knee injury..Productive, disruptive force in the middle..A better prospect than Mike Patterson was in 2005.
    2. 35-OT Gosder Cherilus
    Strengths:
    Has excellent size and a huge frame with long arms...Strong and powerful..Gets a great push as a run blocker...Decent athlete...Has nimble feet..Mobile and can get to the second level...Very smart with great awareness...Nice balance...He is stout at the point of attack...Once he locks on the battle's over...A hard worker with top intangibles...Has a ton of experience against top-notch competition...Offers some versatility..Hails from a program that's known for producing NFL offensive linemen.

    Weaknesses:
    Has some trouble with speedy edge rushers...May lack a killer instinct..Has lapses with his leverage and will play too high at times...Most likely won't be a left tackle in the pros...Didn't have a great senior year..Had some minor off-the-field trouble.

    Notes:
    Name is pronounced "GOZ-der SHARE-uh-luss"...Born in Haiti...A four-year starter in the ACC...Started 37 consecutive games at right tackle but he moved to the left side as a senior and had some struggles...Was arrested and charged with assault and battery in July of 2007 in connection with a bar fight, although Cherilus claims he was acting as a peacemaker...Not flashy but has the physical tools and should start almost immediately..Prototypical right tackle who should enjoy a long career.
    3. 66-CB Justin King
    Strengths:
    Smooth athlete...Good size and bulk...Outstanding speed with a burst...Fluid and flips his hips well...Quick and agile with excellent feet...Excellent hands...A reliable tackler...Has a lot of experience against elite competition...Very smart and a hard worker....Versatile and can also contribute as a return man...Has a ton of upside.

    Weaknesses:
    Not very strong or physical...Struggles with big wideouts...Raw and needs a lot of work when it comes to technique..Has a long memory...Sub par ball skills and isn't much of a playmaker...Questionable awareness and instincts...Underachiever who does not play to his measurables...Might lack a fire in his belly...Workout Warrior?

    Notes:
    Stepfather, Terry Smith, was a wide receiver at Penn State from 1988-91...One of the nation's premier recruits coming out of high school...Three-year starter in the Big Ten...Was able to graduate from college in just 35 months..Also saw extensive action at wide receiver early in his career...A finesse corner with all of the physical tools you look for but something seems to be missing...An enigma who could be a stud if the light ever comes on but he will need a lot of coaching..."Boom or Bust".
    4. 105-OT Barry Richardson
    Strengths:
    Outstanding size with a huge frame and long arms...Terrific athleticism...Very light on his feet...Great lateral mobility and range...Gets to the second level...Excellent pass blocker...Good body control...Once he locks on the battle's over...Has a lot of experience against big-time competition...Offers some versatility...Still has upside.

    Weaknesses:
    Plays soft...Lacks a killer instinct and is not aggressive...Has to get stronger...Gets pushed around and doesn't play to his size...Poor technique and he does not play with good leverage...Gets caught reaching too often...Effort is pretty inconsistent.

    Notes:
    Graduated from high school in just three years..A four-year starter at left tackle in the ACC...Held future #1 overall pick Mario Williams without a sack in '05...Classic case of a prospect who "Looks like Tarzan, Plays Like Jane"...Has all the physical tools you look for but is an underachiever...Could be a steal if some coach can get him to be more nasty but it's difficult to change a guys demeanor and personality.
    5. 136-WR Adrian Arrington
    Strengths:
    Smooth athlete...Nice size and bulk with long arms..Good hands and will make the spectacular catch...Great leaping ability and ball skills...Can do some damage after the catch..Tough...Will work the middle of the field...Still improving and has upside.

    Weaknesses:
    Does not have great timed speed or quickness...Is not very explosive and lacks a burst...Needs to get stronger...Is not a great route runner...Lack of concentration leads to some drops...Questionable motor...Marginal blocker...Doesn't have a ton of experience...Was never the featured target in college...Has character concerns.

    Notes:
    Would have had the opportunity to emerge from Mario Manningham's shadow as a senior in 2008 but chose to go pro early rather than try to adapt to the spread offense being installed by Rich Rodriguez...Was only a starter for about a season and a half...Has been suspended on more than one occasion and in 2006 he was arrested and charged with misdemeanor domestic violence following an argument with his girlfriend..Would have been much better off going back to Ann Arbor...Has some tools but his lack of speed and off-the-field issues will hurt him on Draft Day.
    6. 140-OG/OT Jerremy Zuttah
    Strengths:
    Good athleticism...Terrific speed and quickness...Extremely strong...Explosive and powerful...Mobile with nice range...Uses his hands well...Versatile with experience at multiple positions..Smart with good awareness and instincts...Great work ethic.

    Weaknesses:
    Size and bulk are somewhat average...Doesn't have great footwork...Has trouble with speed...May be a 'tweener without a true pro position...Does not necessarily play to his workout numbers...Does not dominate opponents...Durability concerns.

    Notes:
    Was a four-year starter for the Scarlet Knights...Has played both guard and tackle in college and could also project to center at the next level..Has missed some time with knee and ankle injuries...Opened some eyes with a standout performance at the Scouting Combine when he placed among the Top 10 offensive linemen in four events including the forty and bench press..Has starting potential but versatility is the hallmark of his game and that may allow him to at least be a valuable backup.
    7. 172-CB Jack Williams
    Strengths:
    A great athlete...Excellent speed and quickness...Outstanding leaper..Good hands and ball skills...Solid instincts and awareness..Reads and reacts well and he has a burst to close...Is very strong...Tough and physical...Gets a good jam at the line of scrimmage...Willing to come up and support the run..A hard worker...Team leader.

    Weaknesses:
    Doesn't have the ideal size and bulk that you would prefer..Not real fluid when he flips his hips to turn and run...Had a sub par senior campaign...Durability might be a concern...Takes too many chances...Questionable return ability...Limited upside.

    Notes:
    Battled ankle injuries as a senior and it affected to his play but to his credit he did not miss much action...Can't match his former teammate Usama Young in terms of triangle numbers but might be a better football player...Underrated prospect who is a lot better than his senior film would indicate...Prototypical nickel or dime back.
    8. 187-QB Brad Roach
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    Quote Originally Posted by chief31 View Post
    Five years to show real results? I don't think so. 4-12 is far from the "results" that I would be looking for.
    That is a sound philosophy if you have a coach that actually gives a crap about both sides of the ball. We haven't had a coach like that since Hank.
    THAT quarterback is NOT a Pro Bowl quarterback. Never was and never will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guru View Post
    That is a sound philosophy if you have a coach that actually gives a crap about both sides of the ball.

    We haven't had a coach like that since Hank.


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    If you say so.
    THAT quarterback is NOT a Pro Bowl quarterback. Never was and never will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texaschief View Post
    The Chiefs are already showing "results" from his first two drafts which were geared toward fixing the worst ranked defense in the NFL. Now, if it takes him 2 more years to fix the worst ranked offense in the league, so be it.
    Quote Originally Posted by chief31 View Post
    Five years to show real results? I don't think so. 4-12 is far from the "results" that I would be looking for.
    Quote Originally Posted by hermhater View Post
    Thank you.

    Who didn't see this coming from years back?
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    Agreed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guru View Post
    That is a sound philosophy if you have a coach that actually gives a crap about both sides of the ball. We haven't had a coach like that since Hank.
    Quote Originally Posted by hermhater View Post
    FYR.

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    If you say so.
    I concur.

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    HH, step away from the keyboard.
    THAT quarterback is NOT a Pro Bowl quarterback. Never was and never will be.

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    HH, step away from the keyboard.
    I'm good guy.

    I was just mocking rbedgood because he told me a few days ago that I have no vocabulary and use an online thesaurus when I replied to him.

    He likes to say I'm inarticulate, so I thought I would give him fodder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chief31 View Post
    Five years to show real results? I don't think so. 4-12 is far from the "results" that I would be looking for.
    Really? You don't see ANY improvement on this team? Are you really THAT blinded by the 4-12 record? We all know the offense sucked which primarily led to that 4-12 record. But we also lost our RB and had horrible QB play to go along with a poor line. They also didn't have a #1 reciever the ENTIRE season.

    Your Herm hating has blinded you if you think this team AS IS will be 4-12 again next season.

    Your attitude toward the coach and the impatience most exude on this site is what is wrong with the modern day NFL fan. People saw what Jimmy Johnson did in 4 years and what John Gruden did in 1 year in Tampa and now if their team isn't in the Super Bowl after 2 years of a coaching change, they're ready for another one. It's just flawed thinking.

    When coaches step in and immediately show improvement, it's usually because their predecessor has set them up with a solid roster thru previous drafts.

    Now, the Chiefs right now, have the same opportunity to come close to what JJ did in Dallas by trading LJ. JJ brought back 6 picks for Herschell Walker. The Chiefs could bring back at least 3 for Johnson if they decided to trade him. Johnson built that team thru the draft (which is what Herm is doing) but he was able to draft many more players at one time because of the trade.

    It's just going to take longer to do a complete rebuild like the one the Chiefs are trying to do now.

    The 2005 defense had to be rebuilt.
    DL:Allen, Sims, Browning, Dalton, Hicks
    LB: DJ, Barber, Mitchell, Bell
    DB: Surtain, McCleon, Wesley, Knight

    3 starters remain. You POSSIBLY could make a case for keeping Mitchell, but he was never good here and he wasn't good enough to keep his job in NY.

    Surtain is old and should be replaced this year. If Vermeil/Peterson had drafted better, Herm/Peterson could've spent a little more time/money/picks helping that offense which was left in shambles.

    Now, the 2005 offense:
    OL: Roaf, Shields, Waters, Wiegman, Bober/Sampson
    RB: LJ, Richardson
    TE: Gonzo
    WR: Kennison, Parker, Horn, Boerigter
    QB: Trent Green

    Call me crazy, but trying to replace an injured Pro Bowl QB, 2 hall of fame OLinemen and your entire WR corp while trying to replace a center and also find a permanant RT doesn't happen over a one year or even a two year span while your trying to replace at least 9 starters on a defense that ranked dead last for most of the decade.

    Again, perhaps if Vermiel/Peterson hadn't drafted so poorly this decade, there would've been sufficient depth to float the offense this past season. But there wasn't.

    14 total draft picks is hardly enough to replace 9 defensive starters and 8 offensive starters. If this organization from Hunt to Herm is committed to building thru the draft, it's going to take more than 2 years. Before the process is complete, i'm sure it will be closer to the 4-5 year side.

    The biggest thing you should look at right now though, is the fact that we're probably more than 75% finished rebuilding.

    We need at least:
    1 CB
    2 OL
    1 QB
    1 WR
    1 LB

    That's 6 of 22 starting positions that we need to fill. That's not a whole lot. This team isn't THAT far off. At least 5 of those needs should be filled this draft. Out of 10 picks, we should get AT LEAST 5 solid players.

    The big glaring problem right now is obviously offense, but the offense will never show improvement without a solid Oline or a stable QB to lead them. Right now, the Chiefs have neither. This draft is kinda going to be like "the Chicken or the egg?" Do we go and get the solid franchise QB to lead to team or do we go get the Olineman he's going to need to be protected?

    Either way, the Chiefs aren't going to show much improvement this year without both.

    It all comes down to Brodie freakin Croyle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texaschief View Post
    Really? You don't see ANY improvement on this team? Are you really THAT blinded by the 4-12 record? We all know the offense sucked which primarily led to that 4-12 record. But we also lost our RB and had horrible QB play to go along with a poor line. They also didn't have a #1 reciever the ENTIRE season.

    1. I think Smith did okay filling in last season with our depleted line.

    2. You're right, Croyle mad some horrible mistakes even when he had time.

    3. I think Bowe did a fine job as a #1 receiver with the other offensive pieces he had around him.

    Your Herm hating has blinded you if you think this team AS IS will be 4-12 again next season.

    Your attitude toward the coach and the impatience most exude on this site is what is wrong with the modern day NFL fan. People saw what Jimmy Johnson did in 4 years and what John Gruden did in 1 year in Tampa and now if their team isn't in the Super Bowl after 2 years of a coaching change, they're ready for another one. It's just flawed thinking.

    When has Herm proved his worth? He may be a good DB coach or scout. Herm is CP's boy. That's why he's here.

    When coaches step in and immediately show improvement, it's usually because their predecessor has set them up with a solid roster thru previous drafts.

    Now, the Chiefs right now, have the same opportunity to come close to what JJ did in Dallas by trading LJ. JJ brought back 6 picks for Herschell Walker. The Chiefs could bring back at least 3 for Johnson if they decided to trade him. Johnson built that team thru the draft (which is what Herm is doing) but he was able to draft many more players at one time because of the trade.

    Do you have some inside info? How are we gonna trade a 29 year old back with a lot of miles? Maybe the Texans will take him.

    It's just going to take longer to do a complete rebuild like the one the Chiefs are trying to do now.

    The 2005 defense had to be rebuilt.
    DL:Allen, Sims, Browning, Dalton, Hicks
    LB: DJ, Barber, Mitchell, Bell
    DB: Surtain, McCleon, Wesley, Knight

    3 starters remain. You POSSIBLY could make a case for keeping Mitchell, but he was never good here and he wasn't good enough to keep his job in NY.

    What about Fujita? It seems he's stepped up in New Orleans.

    Surtain is old and should be replaced this year. If Vermeil/Peterson had drafted better, Herm/Peterson could've spent a little more time/money/picks helping that offense which was left in shambles.

    I couldn't agree with you more.

    Now, the 2005 offense:
    OL: Roaf, Shields, Waters, Wiegman, Bober/Sampson
    RB: LJ, Richardson
    TE: Gonzo
    WR: Kennison, Parker, Horn, Boerigter
    QB: Trent Green

    Call me crazy, but trying to replace an injured Pro Bowl QB, 2 hall of fame OLinemen and your entire WR corp while trying to replace a center and also find a permanant RT doesn't happen over a one year or even a two year span while your trying to replace at least 9 starters on a defense that ranked dead last for most of the decade.

    Again, perhaps if Vermiel/Peterson hadn't drafted so poorly this decade, there would've been sufficient depth to float the offense this past season. But there wasn't.

    You've made it clear in the past that you don't like Vermeil and it's understandable considering the defensive struggles we've had. If you don't like Peterson's decisions, why do you defend Herm? They come and go together.

    14 total draft picks is hardly enough to replace 9 defensive starters and 8 offensive starters. If this organization from Hunt to Herm is committed to building thru the draft, it's going to take more than 2 years. Before the process is complete, i'm sure it will be closer to the 4-5 year side.

    The biggest thing you should look at right now though, is the fact that we're probably more than 75% finished rebuilding.

    We need at least:
    1 CB
    2 OL
    1 QB
    1 WR
    1 LB

    That's 6 of 22 starting positions that we need to fill. That's not a whole lot. This team isn't THAT far off. At least 5 of those needs should be filled this draft. Out of 10 picks, we should get AT LEAST 5 solid players.

    The big glaring problem right now is obviously offense, but the offense will never show improvement without a solid Oline or a stable QB to lead them. Right now, the Chiefs have neither. This draft is kinda going to be like "the Chicken or the egg?" Do we go and get the solid franchise QB to lead to team or do we go get the Olineman he's going to need to be protected?

    Either way, the Chiefs aren't going to show much improvement this year without both.

    It all comes down to Brodie freakin Croyle.
    Nice rebuttal. Now if we draft Ryan and he gets knocked around this season, does CP get fired? If he does, your boy Herm will go with him. That's a guarantee.


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    Quote Originally Posted by texaschief View Post
    Really? You don't see ANY improvement on this team? Are you really THAT blinded by the 4-12 record? We all know the offense sucked which primarily led to that 4-12 record. But we also lost our RB and had horrible QB play to go along with a poor line. They also didn't have a #1 reciever the ENTIRE season.

    Your Herm hating has blinded you if you think this team AS IS will be 4-12 again next season.

    Your attitude toward the coach and the impatience most exude on this site is what is wrong with the modern day NFL fan. People saw what Jimmy Johnson did in 4 years and what John Gruden did in 1 year in Tampa and now if their team isn't in the Super Bowl after 2 years of a coaching change, they're ready for another one. It's just flawed thinking.

    When coaches step in and immediately show improvement, it's usually because their predecessor has set them up with a solid roster thru previous drafts.

    Now, the Chiefs right now, have the same opportunity to come close to what JJ did in Dallas by trading LJ. JJ brought back 6 picks for Herschell Walker. The Chiefs could bring back at least 3 for Johnson if they decided to trade him. Johnson built that team thru the draft (which is what Herm is doing) but he was able to draft many more players at one time because of the trade.

    It's just going to take longer to do a complete rebuild like the one the Chiefs are trying to do now.

    The 2005 defense had to be rebuilt.
    DL:Allen, Sims, Browning, Dalton, Hicks
    LB: DJ, Barber, Mitchell, Bell
    DB: Surtain, McCleon, Wesley, Knight

    3 starters remain. You POSSIBLY could make a case for keeping Mitchell, but he was never good here and he wasn't good enough to keep his job in NY.

    Surtain is old and should be replaced this year. If Vermeil/Peterson had drafted better, Herm/Peterson could've spent a little more time/money/picks helping that offense which was left in shambles.

    Now, the 2005 offense:
    OL: Roaf, Shields, Waters, Wiegman, Bober/Sampson
    RB: LJ, Richardson
    TE: Gonzo
    WR: Kennison, Parker, Horn, Boerigter
    QB: Trent Green

    Call me crazy, but trying to replace an injured Pro Bowl QB, 2 hall of fame OLinemen and your entire WR corp while trying to replace a center and also find a permanant RT doesn't happen over a one year or even a two year span while your trying to replace at least 9 starters on a defense that ranked dead last for most of the decade.

    Again, perhaps if Vermiel/Peterson hadn't drafted so poorly this decade, there would've been sufficient depth to float the offense this past season. But there wasn't.

    14 total draft picks is hardly enough to replace 9 defensive starters and 8 offensive starters. If this organization from Hunt to Herm is committed to building thru the draft, it's going to take more than 2 years. Before the process is complete, i'm sure it will be closer to the 4-5 year side.

    The biggest thing you should look at right now though, is the fact that we're probably more than 75% finished rebuilding.

    We need at least:
    1 CB
    2 OL
    1 QB
    1 WR
    1 LB

    That's 6 of 22 starting positions that we need to fill. That's not a whole lot. This team isn't THAT far off. At least 5 of those needs should be filled this draft. Out of 10 picks, we should get AT LEAST 5 solid players.

    The big glaring problem right now is obviously offense, but the offense will never show improvement without a solid Oline or a stable QB to lead them. Right now, the Chiefs have neither. This draft is kinda going to be like "the Chicken or the egg?" Do we go and get the solid franchise QB to lead to team or do we go get the Olineman he's going to need to be protected?

    Either way, the Chiefs aren't going to show much improvement this year without both.

    It all comes down to Brodie freakin Croyle.

    Haven't been here for a while, but try to keep up with what's going on? I really don't think it matters what we do with the draft so long as Herm freaking Edwards is here. Dude if you think that Herm is going to win this team a championship you are blind. He's a .500 coach, that may win us a couple playoff games and that's it period, until he proves me wrong I ain't buying into Herm's philosophy. This is the show me state bro, so show me some results. We may only be a few pieces away from a championship team, but Herm isn't taking us any farther than we have already been in the last decade. Give me one statistic that shows that Herm is capable, just one.

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