Originally Posted by
texaschief
Really? You don't see ANY improvement on this team? Are you really THAT blinded by the 4-12 record? We all know the offense sucked which primarily led to that 4-12 record. But we also lost our RB and had horrible QB play to go along with a poor line. They also didn't have a #1 reciever the ENTIRE season.
1. I think Smith did okay filling in last season with our depleted line.
2. You're right, Croyle mad some horrible mistakes even when he had time.
3. I think Bowe did a fine job as a #1 receiver with the other offensive pieces he had around him.
Your Herm hating has blinded you if you think this team AS IS will be 4-12 again next season.
Your attitude toward the coach and the impatience most exude on this site is what is wrong with the modern day NFL fan. People saw what Jimmy Johnson did in 4 years and what John Gruden did in 1 year in Tampa and now if their team isn't in the Super Bowl after 2 years of a coaching change, they're ready for another one. It's just flawed thinking.
When has Herm proved his worth? He may be a good DB coach or scout. Herm is CP's boy. That's why he's here.
When coaches step in and immediately show improvement, it's usually because their predecessor has set them up with a solid roster thru previous drafts.
Now, the Chiefs right now, have the same opportunity to come close to what JJ did in Dallas by trading LJ. JJ brought back 6 picks for Herschell Walker. The Chiefs could bring back at least 3 for Johnson if they decided to trade him. Johnson built that team thru the draft (which is what Herm is doing) but he was able to draft many more players at one time because of the trade.
Do you have some inside info? How are we gonna trade a 29 year old back with a lot of miles? Maybe the Texans will take him.
It's just going to take longer to do a complete rebuild like the one the Chiefs are trying to do now.
The 2005 defense had to be rebuilt.
DL:Allen, Sims, Browning, Dalton, Hicks
LB: DJ, Barber, Mitchell, Bell
DB: Surtain, McCleon, Wesley, Knight
3 starters remain. You POSSIBLY could make a case for keeping Mitchell, but he was never good here and he wasn't good enough to keep his job in NY.
What about Fujita? It seems he's stepped up in New Orleans.
Surtain is old and should be replaced this year. If Vermeil/Peterson had drafted better, Herm/Peterson could've spent a little more time/money/picks helping that offense which was left in shambles.
I couldn't agree with you more.
Now, the 2005 offense:
OL: Roaf, Shields, Waters, Wiegman, Bober/Sampson
RB: LJ, Richardson
TE: Gonzo
WR: Kennison, Parker, Horn, Boerigter
QB: Trent Green
Call me crazy, but trying to replace an injured Pro Bowl QB, 2 hall of fame OLinemen and your entire WR corp while trying to replace a center and also find a permanant RT doesn't happen over a one year or even a two year span while your trying to replace at least 9 starters on a defense that ranked dead last for most of the decade.
Again, perhaps if Vermiel/Peterson hadn't drafted so poorly this decade, there would've been sufficient depth to float the offense this past season. But there wasn't.
You've made it clear in the past that you don't like Vermeil and it's understandable considering the defensive struggles we've had. If you don't like Peterson's decisions, why do you defend Herm? They come and go together.
14 total draft picks is hardly enough to replace 9 defensive starters and 8 offensive starters. If this organization from Hunt to Herm is committed to building thru the draft, it's going to take more than 2 years. Before the process is complete, i'm sure it will be closer to the 4-5 year side.
The biggest thing you should look at right now though, is the fact that we're probably more than 75% finished rebuilding.
We need at least:
1 CB
2 OL
1 QB
1 WR
1 LB
That's 6 of 22 starting positions that we need to fill. That's not a whole lot. This team isn't THAT far off. At least 5 of those needs should be filled this draft. Out of 10 picks, we should get AT LEAST 5 solid players.
The big glaring problem right now is obviously offense, but the offense will never show improvement without a solid Oline or a stable QB to lead them. Right now, the Chiefs have neither. This draft is kinda going to be like "the Chicken or the egg?" Do we go and get the solid franchise QB to lead to team or do we go get the Olineman he's going to need to be protected?
Either way, the Chiefs aren't going to show much improvement this year without both.
It all comes down to Brodie freakin Croyle.
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